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3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads 10370

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #30 on: June 27, 2013, 11:18:33 PM »
Very nice design work, Ombudsman. :cheers: I notice a bit SOG Powerduo influence there. I'm not sure if both the full sized pliers and sheers would fit in the middle handle though. Might need to make them a tad smaller. :think:
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #31 on: June 28, 2013, 12:29:27 AM »
Could the tapered handles be shorter and less pointy than the center handle? Thus eliminating the pinch-ability of "the crotch". I don't see a need for a MT to have rapier style blades  :D

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #32 on: June 28, 2013, 09:59:52 AM »
This is how it may look with tapered ends which could include driver bits or bit holders

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Very helpful artwork Onbudsman  :tu:

That "closed" taper nestling on the inside does make it look a little pinchy. A more flush sitting Wenger style lever arm (using the z shaped spring mentioned before) would eliminate that, and still allow other layers for supporting tools


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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #33 on: June 28, 2013, 11:50:47 PM »
Thnxs ! :salute: its just a composition made in Power Point ! :D

I like the idea of having 2 Wenger style levers but instead of a z shaped spring, both heads can be opposite in the same layer with the levers on top of each other  :tu:

That will also fix the problem of dealing with the different widths of the pliers and the scissors. 

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #34 on: June 29, 2013, 12:48:02 AM »
Thnxs ! :salute: its just a composition made in Power Point ! :D

I like the idea of having 2 Wenger style levers but instead of a z shaped spring, both heads can be opposite in the same layer with the levers on top of each other  :tu:

That will also fix the problem of dealing with the different widths of the pliers and the scissors.

Hmmm ....  :think: ... I think if you did that you would always have to open the lever for the one you didn't want to use to get out the one you do (as the end of the lever would sit on the head of the opposite tool) which could get annoying pretty quick. The othe benefit of the Z spring is the pliers and scissors could be long enough to overlap (allowing larger pliers and shears, as well as used independantly without disturbing the other tool


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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #35 on: June 29, 2013, 01:44:38 AM »
Make the centre rectangular piece convex on both sides, and make the handles on either side of it curved.

That should mean it gives a more ergonomic grip when using either the pliers or the scissors, and should prevent problems with pinching.

I'll try making a sketch in paint when I get a chance.
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #36 on: June 29, 2013, 03:18:22 PM »
Sketch:



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« Last Edit: June 29, 2013, 03:20:40 PM by Raukodur »
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2014, 11:27:54 AM »
I'll post this here for reference. Not ideal but its proof of concept on a smaller scale.

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That is really cool :)  I love it.  If you guys are still working on it I was thinking for the pliers if instead you used LM Crunch pliers so it doesn't have to be fully connected the whole time, and that would give some flexibility to the design.
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #38 on: December 08, 2015, 11:58:28 AM »
Bump!

I have found a similar tool (of questionable quality, judging by the pics) on eBay:

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mu...t%3D4%26sd%3D111462838781

I think I need to sacrifice myself for MTO and get one...  :facepalm:
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #39 on: December 08, 2015, 06:37:43 PM »
Hm, interesting at least, would like to know how it performs. And cool of them to make something of their own instead of knocking off known designs. :hatsoff:
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #40 on: December 08, 2015, 07:08:40 PM »
That does look interesting, although that Phillips driver does look suspiciously small.  :-\

I look forward to the pics and write up, Thomas  :pok: :D


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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #41 on: December 08, 2015, 09:36:30 PM »
I gave in and ordered one... Shows that it will ship from the far east, not Karlsruhe, Germany as stated. I´ll let you know when it arrives.
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #42 on: December 08, 2015, 09:47:10 PM »
 :popcorn:


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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #43 on: December 09, 2015, 06:40:27 AM »
Wow, that is awesome! Pretty much exactly what has been discussed here for a couple of years now :tu: I wish the quality would be good.

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #44 on: December 10, 2015, 01:35:27 PM »
It´s here. It´s odd. It´s interesting. It´s not horrible.
Bad things:
My wife did receive the mail (I don´t buy tools at the moment, you know?). It came with a mini-catalogue with a few other interesting tools.
I won´t be able to post pics today.

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #45 on: December 10, 2015, 02:27:19 PM »
It´s here. It´s odd. It´s interesting. It´s not horrible.
Bad things:
My wife did receive the mail (I don´t buy tools at the moment, you know?).
It came with a mini-catalogue with a few other interesting tools.
I won´t be able to post pics today.

Just tell her you bought it for me and will  be forwarding it on as soon as you get the chance  :pok:  :)

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #46 on: December 10, 2015, 03:09:37 PM »
Love the design :tu:

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #47 on: December 10, 2015, 03:41:06 PM »
Another interesting design... not cheap though...
Han-Dao-multifunctional-outdoor-tool

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #48 on: December 10, 2015, 08:10:11 PM »
I might actually do a giveaway or passround, Greg.
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #49 on: December 10, 2015, 08:33:03 PM »
I might actually do a giveaway or passround, Greg.

You've only just got it, and you're already planning how to get rid. That doesn't sound good  :P :D


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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #50 on: December 10, 2015, 11:06:04 PM »
I got it out of pure curiosity - I am quite stubborn when it comes to changing my EDC....
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #51 on: December 10, 2015, 11:37:41 PM »
 :tu:


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Victorinox: - Spirit X, Climber Small, Alox Rambler, Orig. Outdoorsman, Voyager Lite, CT34 & 41, Compact, Manager, Salesman, + mods (Sheepsfoot Duke & Mega84)
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Gerber: - Balance, Dime + mods (MP426**, DEsTroyer, MP6000**, TurboDiesel**, Neutered Octane**)
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #52 on: December 15, 2015, 03:30:54 PM »
This is how it may look with tapered ends which could include driver bits or bit holders

(Image removed from quote.)

I like it!  :drool: I would buy one of those! Looks very slick, but I would like to see it with wire strippers and crimpers on one of the heads!
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #53 on: December 15, 2015, 10:32:34 PM »
Mail call. :mail: After seeing the above link I found a US seller and this one is OUTU branded. I was drawn to the design and it is very cool. Only paid $10 for it so I'm happy.



I will take it to work with me tomorrow and put it through some test.

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #54 on: December 15, 2015, 11:09:32 PM »
Looks interesting..... I like the sheath as well


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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #55 on: December 15, 2015, 11:17:33 PM »
Looks interesting..... I like the sheath as well


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It seems pretty good and it fits the tool well. Time will tell

Edit: Also it may be good to know it's a slip joint knife. It does not lock which may or may not be a bad thing depending on your preference.
« Last Edit: December 15, 2015, 11:48:16 PM by Demel »

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #56 on: December 16, 2015, 03:55:47 AM »
Mail call. :mail: After seeing the above link I found a US seller and this one is OUTU branded. I was drawn to the design and it is very cool. Only paid $10 for it so I'm happy.

I will take it to work with me tomorrow and put it through some test.

Can we have a link please ?

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #57 on: December 16, 2015, 04:01:27 AM »
Mail call. :mail: After seeing the above link I found a US seller and this one is OUTU branded. I was drawn to the design and it is very cool. Only paid $10 for it so I'm happy.

I will take it to work with me tomorrow and put it through some test.

Can we have a link please ?
They have multiple postings. This one is for $6. I have no affiliations. This was my first buy from them http://pages.ebay.com/lin...=272000306379&alt=web

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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #58 on: December 17, 2015, 09:05:02 AM »
one for 5,99 € on ebay germany, too!

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mu...%3D10%26sd%3D172022361820
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Re: 3 part butterfly opener - plier and scissor heads
« Reply #59 on: December 17, 2015, 12:27:06 PM »
one for 5,99 € on ebay germany, too!

http://www.ebay.de/itm/Mu...%3D10%26sd%3D172022361820
It is worth grabbing. I will do a review on it soon.

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