Quote from: 50ft-trad on August 14, 2013, 11:04:29 PMQuote from: Grant Lamontagne on August 14, 2013, 10:49:08 PMAs we have discussed before, survival is largely in you, not in the tool. You can't just grab a tool off the shelf at Wal Mart and expect to be able to survive in Antarctica or the jungle. I'll bet Les could get a heck of a lot further with nothing than most of the people who buy this tool could get with it.DefIf carrying a well made tool with a decent load out, I can make it from my house to the off-license and the local takeaway, even in foul weather - I know, I've done it. With the Les Stroud tool, on first impressions at least, that confidence is shattered. I appreciate that some people wish to reserve judgement till they've tried the tool themselves, but I for one do not wish to be discovered on my own doorstep in a critical condition under a toppled wheely bin, because I had chosen to carry a substandard tool while trying to fetch a pizza. When a four pack of San Miguel and garlic bread supreme is at stake, I don't think it's worth taking unnecessary chances Better to be safe than sorry mate.
Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on August 14, 2013, 10:49:08 PMAs we have discussed before, survival is largely in you, not in the tool. You can't just grab a tool off the shelf at Wal Mart and expect to be able to survive in Antarctica or the jungle. I'll bet Les could get a heck of a lot further with nothing than most of the people who buy this tool could get with it.DefIf carrying a well made tool with a decent load out, I can make it from my house to the off-license and the local takeaway, even in foul weather - I know, I've done it. With the Les Stroud tool, on first impressions at least, that confidence is shattered. I appreciate that some people wish to reserve judgement till they've tried the tool themselves, but I for one do not wish to be discovered on my own doorstep in a critical condition under a toppled wheely bin, because I had chosen to carry a substandard tool while trying to fetch a pizza. When a four pack of San Miguel and garlic bread supreme is at stake, I don't think it's worth taking unnecessary chances
As we have discussed before, survival is largely in you, not in the tool. You can't just grab a tool off the shelf at Wal Mart and expect to be able to survive in Antarctica or the jungle. I'll bet Les could get a heck of a lot further with nothing than most of the people who buy this tool could get with it.Def
According to the link also found in the first post of this thread:The Camillus® Les Stroud SK™ Engage Multi-Tool is now IN STOCK, but I still can't find any pictures of it. Anyone seen it in the wild?
Quote from: Etherealicer on November 05, 2013, 11:14:00 AMAccording to the link also found in the first post of this thread:The Camillus® Les Stroud SK™ Engage Multi-Tool is now IN STOCK, but I still can't find any pictures of it. Anyone seen it in the wild?I've not seen it in the wild but pics are coming up in that SMKW link for me. I also found a few pix by searching on Google Images.[...]
It's made in china, I don't have high hopes.
they can keep all those cheap China tools.
At work, we have a slightly different view on country of origin.If you buy Italian then you can't get any support, spare parts take forever to arrive and are often incorrect but the products can be quite clever. Until they go wrong.German stuff tends to have good support and quick turnarounds.US built and designed stuff (I don't recall ever having had anything from any of the rest of North America) tends to be basic, clunky, energy inefficient but pretty bullet proof. The sort of "why waste time making this clever when we can make it like a brick smurfhouse" mentality.
Quote from: Cupboard on November 07, 2013, 09:11:14 AMAt work, we have a slightly different view on country of origin.If you buy Italian then you can't get any support, spare parts take forever to arrive and are often incorrect but the products can be quite clever. Until they go wrong.German stuff tends to have good support and quick turnarounds.US built and designed stuff (I don't recall ever having had anything from any of the rest of North America) tends to be basic, clunky, energy inefficient but pretty bullet proof. The sort of "why waste time making this clever when we can make it like a brick smurfhouse" mentality.Yep, it has worked for us Americans for years. You can see just how clunky our tanks are. And our jets, trains, space shuttles, internet, knifes, multitools, farm equipment.......... sent from Nate's mobile
Quote from: ducttapetech on November 07, 2013, 11:35:21 AMQuote from: Cupboard on November 07, 2013, 09:11:14 AMAt work, we have a slightly different view on country of origin.If you buy Italian then you can't get any support, spare parts take forever to arrive and are often incorrect but the products can be quite clever. Until they go wrong.German stuff tends to have good support and quick turnarounds.US built and designed stuff (I don't recall ever having had anything from any of the rest of North America) tends to be basic, clunky, energy inefficient but pretty bullet proof. The sort of "why waste time making this clever when we can make it like a brick smurfhouse" mentality.Yep, it has worked for us Americans for years. You can see just how clunky our tanks are. And our jets, trains, space shuttles, internet, knifes, multitools, farm equipment.......... sent from Nate's mobileI think you're trying to be sarcastic?Compare a JD to a Fendt. The Fendt is cleverer and the JD is clunkier. I've driven both and every Farmers Weekly article seems to agree.Leatherman to Victorinox? People are always saying how shiny the Swisstools are in comparison to the Leathermans. I have both.Internet: I'm not sure that's a valid one TBH. Tim Berners-Lee?Jets: Well you have got the F-15 and A-10 But taking them as a whole, I think I'll grant you they're pretty clever except for when they decide to suffocate their pilot Anyway, I'm not saying the approach is wrong, just different.I carry a Leatherman every day, on the other hand we run a fleet of Fendts and wouldn't have a JD on the farm. Not just because there's no where to put your dinner bag!
Quote from: Cupboard on November 07, 2013, 12:20:16 PMQuote from: ducttapetech on November 07, 2013, 11:35:21 AMQuote from: Cupboard on November 07, 2013, 09:11:14 AMAt work, we have a slightly different view on country of origin.If you buy Italian then you can't get any support, spare parts take forever to arrive and are often incorrect but the products can be quite clever. Until they go wrong.German stuff tends to have good support and quick turnarounds.US built and designed stuff (I don't recall ever having had anything from any of the rest of North America) tends to be basic, clunky, energy inefficient but pretty bullet proof. The sort of "why waste time making this clever when we can make it like a brick smurfhouse" mentality.Yep, it has worked for us Americans for years. You can see just how clunky our tanks are. And our jets, trains, space shuttles, internet, knifes, multitools, farm equipment.......... sent from Nate's mobileI think you're trying to be sarcastic?Compare a JD to a Fendt. The Fendt is cleverer and the JD is clunkier. I've driven both and every Farmers Weekly article seems to agree.Leatherman to Victorinox? People are always saying how shiny the Swisstools are in comparison to the Leathermans. I have both.Internet: I'm not sure that's a valid one TBH. Tim Berners-Lee?Jets: Well you have got the F-15 and A-10 But taking them as a whole, I think I'll grant you they're pretty clever except for when they decide to suffocate their pilot Anyway, I'm not saying the approach is wrong, just different.I carry a Leatherman every day, on the other hand we run a fleet of Fendts and wouldn't have a JD on the farm. Not just because there's no where to put your dinner bag!I was. Lmao! BUT! When it comes to poking fun at JD, ITS ON!!!! )John Deeres has a place to store your lunch bag and has a beer cooler in the cab. The JD 4020 IS the tractor that revolutionized the way all tractors are made today. They are very tough tractors and will run for years. Many years. But so will most tractors anyways if taken care of. I tend to be bias because i when I used to farm, I used JD's. sent from Nate's mobile
For the record, John Deere Tractors are made in Holland.DefSent from a digital multitool