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How Addictive are SAKs?

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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #30 on: September 27, 2013, 09:47:26 AM
Addictive?

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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #31 on: September 27, 2013, 04:08:27 PM
They can be fairly addictive, but you'll slow down eventually.  You're only in the early part of stage two of the MT progression:

Stage 1 - Only own perhaps 1-2 MTs, all users.  Changes are rare or non-existent.  Some people skip this stage and move directly to stage 2.

Stage 2 - Eyes are opened to the wider world of MTs, and interest is piqued.  MT acquisition rate and user change frequency peak as various options and combinations are tried.

Stage 3 - Most viable options have been tested and needs, likes, and dislikes become apparent.  MT acquisition rate and user change frequency drop off as favorite tools and combinations emerge.

Stage 4 - User change frequency is low, and generally prompted by external factors, e.g. new product offerings, job change, relocation/legal changes, etc.  MT acquisition in this stage may begin to focus more on collectors than users.


Further, I think it worth noting that we're acquiring items that have practical, everyday uses, as opposed to porcelain figurines or something.  And if we happen to acquire a few more than we really truly actually need, well... ;)

Finally, you will likely reach a critical mass (probably well before you reach the point where your acquisition slows) where your wife will not be able to keep mental track of how many or what SAKs you have.  Ergo, she won't then know if you've gotten a new one unless she actually sees the package arrive in the mail.  And, if she happens to ask how long you've had a specific knife she sees you with, you can simply say "for a while"... :angel:

Excellent post.............but I believe there are in fact 5 stages http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #32 on: September 27, 2013, 05:17:18 PM
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #33 on: September 27, 2013, 05:25:23 PM
One SAK is perfect. Two SAKs are too many and three SAKs are not enough.


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #34 on: September 27, 2013, 05:52:06 PM
You know what else is nice about MT and SAK collecting?  They satisfy the gadget lust in me, and they arent electronics that will be redudant, outdated and useless in a couple years.  They will outlive us all.  :tu:
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #35 on: September 27, 2013, 06:31:17 PM
You know what else is nice about MT and SAK collecting?  They satisfy the gadget lust in me, and they arent electronics that will be redudant, outdated and useless in a couple years.  They will outlive us all.  :tu:

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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #36 on: September 27, 2013, 11:15:42 PM
You know what else is nice about MT and SAK collecting?  They satisfy the gadget lust in me, and they arent electronics that will be redudant, outdated and useless in a couple years.  They will outlive us all.  :tu:

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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #37 on: September 28, 2013, 05:26:30 AM
My first sak was a wenger viking that was lost while in college in the 90s.  In early 2000s I bought a wenger traveler with side lock on the partially serrated main blade.  Then I discovered Vics

2 tinkers, one serrated spartan, 2 Explorers(one pre 84), Huntsman, Farmer, Camper, Outrider, florist, waiter

I also was recently given a wenger handyman.  All others bought used.  Florist was given by a friend

Thats 13 saks.  More than I can ever use but I still want a 130mm wenger and I cant refuse a good deal when I see them for sale at a flea market.  It is a healthy, productive addiction. :tool:


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #38 on: September 28, 2013, 06:31:33 AM
They can be fairly addictive, but you'll slow down eventually.  You're only in the early part of stage two of the MT progression:

Stage 1 - Only own perhaps 1-2 MTs, all users.  Changes are rare or non-existent.  Some people skip this stage and move directly to stage 2.

Stage 2 - Eyes are opened to the wider world of MTs, and interest is piqued.  MT acquisition rate and user change frequency peak as various options and combinations are tried.

Stage 3 - Most viable options have been tested and needs, likes, and dislikes become apparent.  MT acquisition rate and user change frequency drop off as favorite tools and combinations emerge.

Stage 4 - User change frequency is low, and generally prompted by external factors, e.g. new product offerings, job change, relocation/legal changes, etc.  MT acquisition in this stage may begin to focus more on collectors than users.


Further, I think it worth noting that we're acquiring items that have practical, everyday uses, as opposed to porcelain figurines or something.  And if we happen to acquire a few more than we really truly actually need, well... ;)

Finally, you will likely reach a critical mass (probably well before you reach the point where your acquisition slows) where your wife will not be able to keep mental track of how many or what SAKs you have.  Ergo, she won't then know if you've gotten a new one unless she actually sees the package arrive in the mail.  And, if she happens to ask how long you've had a specific knife she sees you with, you can simply say "for a while"... :angel:

^this... except you didn't factor in the "collector effect", which kinda negates the stages 3 and 4, sometimes hoarding becomes more important than actual use... :D
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #39 on: September 28, 2013, 08:01:03 AM
They can be fairly addictive, but you'll slow down eventually.  You're only in the early part of stage two of the MT progression:

Stage 1 - Only own perhaps 1-2 MTs, all users.  Changes are rare or non-existent.  Some people skip this stage and move directly to stage 2.

Stage 2 - Eyes are opened to the wider world of MTs, and interest is piqued.  MT acquisition rate and user change frequency peak as various options and combinations are tried.

Stage 3 - Most viable options have been tested and needs, likes, and dislikes become apparent.  MT acquisition rate and user change frequency drop off as favorite tools and combinations emerge.

Stage 4 - User change frequency is low, and generally prompted by external factors, e.g. new product offerings, job change, relocation/legal changes, etc.  MT acquisition in this stage may begin to focus more on collectors than users.


Further, I think it worth noting that we're acquiring items that have practical, everyday uses, as opposed to porcelain figurines or something.  And if we happen to acquire a few more than we really truly actually need, well... ;)

Finally, you will likely reach a critical mass (probably well before you reach the point where your acquisition slows) where your wife will not be able to keep mental track of how many or what SAKs you have.  Ergo, she won't then know if you've gotten a new one unless she actually sees the package arrive in the mail.  And, if she happens to ask how long you've had a specific knife she sees you with, you can simply say "for a while"... :angel:

^this... except you didn't factor in the "collector effect", which kinda negates the stages 3 and 4, sometimes hoarding becomes more important than actual use... :D

I consider anyone who has progressed to collecting and or hoarding to be in stage 4.   :cheers:


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #40 on: September 28, 2013, 08:12:02 AM
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #41 on: September 28, 2013, 08:17:57 AM
Extremely addictive, but luckily I kicked the habit in time..  :angel: :angel:








Okay then, not in time but I'm more or less clean now..  :P :P


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #42 on: September 28, 2013, 08:24:58 AM
Extremely addictive, but luckily I kicked the habit in time..  :angel: :angel:








Okay then, not in time but I'm more or less clean now..  :P :P
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #43 on: September 29, 2013, 08:42:50 AM
a. Not addictive at all.

b. I have a Farmer & a Cadet, you should try them, they are really nice. (The Pioneer is pretty nice also)

c. Shut up and buy more SAKs!
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #44 on: September 29, 2013, 12:59:06 PM
It is true though. You do reach a point where you look at all of them and have fond memories of the hunt and acquisition...then you realize you don't have much room for many more, or that you already have all the models you sort of wanted...and nothing out there is a must have. This leads to a decline in purchases. I am there right now. I will add a few knives here and there, but nothing compared to what I was doing when I was in my building up stage. Same thing is true for MTs. There is a whish list thread, and I must say it is a bit sad on my part to read it and go...yes, I have that, and that, and that.  :facepalm:
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #45 on: September 29, 2013, 05:01:17 PM
It is true though. You do reach a point where you look at all of them and have fond memories of the hunt and acquisition...then you realize you don't have much room for many more, or that you already have all the models you sort of wanted...and nothing out there is a must have. This leads to a decline in purchases. I am there right now. I will add a few knives here and there, but nothing compared to what I was doing when I was in my building up stage. Same thing is true for MTs. There is a whish list thread, and I must say it is a bit sad on my part to read it and go...yes, I have that, and that, and that.  :facepalm:

Chako,  that is a real First World Problem.
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #46 on: September 29, 2013, 05:07:38 PM
Yes it is.  :D
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #47 on: September 29, 2013, 05:13:45 PM
I don't seem to have that exact problem. There are plenty of things on my wish list, it's just funding is a problem. That's probably a good thing that I can't afford everything I want because there's such limited space for storage in my house. With all my wife's crap stuff and then mine, we'd have to rent a storage unit!  :facepalm:
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #48 on: October 03, 2013, 06:05:47 PM
I never intended to get into SAKs and pretty much still consider them as a by-product from collecting MTs...
Picture the scene, your scouting for then next multitool, pouring over every detail you find on the web, suddenly from nowhere a SAK emerges?? Oh, what's this? Hmm that's cheap...Bang!! Bought it, then continue my search for unusual MT's.
Apart from maybe a dozen or so that I actually went after, the rest are all impulse buys. How many do I have??? At the last count sometime last year it was 72 Vics  :facepalm: I didn't bother to count the Wengers, but I'm estimating at least 30-40 of those too.


Having just read what I've written I see I have a problem - how's that for self assessment !!  :rofl:
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #49 on: October 04, 2013, 10:24:41 PM
saks (or multittools) are addictive because they make our life easier.


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #50 on: October 07, 2013, 07:33:19 AM
Hi Everyone,

Thanks for your replies, warm welcome and reassuring thoughts.

Okay here's the deal.  And after you read this, you have to burn it, because its top secret.

We buy these things to anesthetize and distract ourselves from our inner turmoil.  Some people do this with drugs, alcohol, porn, golf or hoarding.  In each case, the activity distracts our brains from the train wreck between our ears.

The internet boards, the hunt for the new toy, the cogitation, the finding it online, the placing of the order, the waiting, the trip to the mailbox, the opening and the fondling.  These things distract us from the turmoil.  When that buzz wears off, and reality begins to raise its ugly head again (i.e., the realization that I will never stand on the moon or see Alessandra Ambrosia's bite marks on my shoulder), then we start looking for the next toy to start the process all over.

Thats how I ended up with 30 guns, 100+ knives, 100+ flashlights, and maybe 30 MTs and SAKs.  Its a mental disorder.  But I recognize it for what it is, and I'm fine with it.  There are worse ways to self-destruct.

So this hoarding behavior is not so much about the SAK.  Its about the distraction from reality that comes with it.

WOW. This is so true!

I'll hold my hands up and admit I too am addicted to SAK's. My addiction though isn't to do with getting more and more (I have 5 and unless I come across a Champ or a CT41, I don't think I want/need any more), but I find the quality, robustness and useability a real anchor in a world I find getting increasingly crazy. My EDC (Explorer) is a totem for me. Always on my person and when I'm not using it or working, I'll hold it in my hand for comfort. Don't judge me - I know I'm not alone!

You are not alone.   My wife thinks I am stupid because I play with my (almost put SAK) swiss army knives while watching tv

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Yup! Comforting too somehow,
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I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds it comforting to play with his SAK Swiss Army Knife.  There is something comforting about the quality of the knives and the reassuring snap of the blade.  It makes a difference in a world where there is so much mass produced crap.

You know what else is nice about MT and SAK collecting?  They satisfy the gadget lust in me, and they arent electronics that will be redudant, outdated and useless in a couple years.  They will outlive us all.  :tu:

Yep, I agree with that.  I'm glad that I've actually used the SAKs that I've bought.  I've gone for years without carrying one, but now that there is one handy at all times it is surprising how many times I've used it.  My wife thinks I'm a bit crazy and just looking for excuses to use them though.

Well, it's not just SAKs but other cool gear like keychain gadgets and LED lights, but these things keep me occupied and are fun to collect. There's so many new items of gear coming out constantly that one's collection of gear is never complete. Don't you agree?
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I've also progressed to this.  I didn't realise how many cool keychain gadgets and LED lights are out there.

I thought I would stop at my four SAKs for a while, but I just won another four NTSA SAKs from Ebay.  I'll soon have an Executive, Ambassador, Manager and Classic to add to my others.  All I wanted was a Manager to add to my key ring and somehow I've ended up with three extra SAKs!


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #51 on: October 07, 2013, 01:44:07 PM
When you realize your preference is alox SAKs, in particular the limited runs... it gets a bit pricey.  :drool:
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #52 on: October 07, 2013, 02:32:20 PM
When you realize your preference is alox SAKs, in particular the limited runs... it gets a bit pricey.  :drool:

I'm very lucky with that. I already have the hard(er) to get ones I wanted (Climber Small, 84 Golfer, Yeoman & Original Outdoorsman), and the primary users (Wenger Traveller variations) have been relatively easy to come by. There are a couple which have eluded me (Gawain and Euro versions), but I'm not expecting those to be available at a price I'm prepared to pay ....

There was a Gawain up recently on EDCSource, but it went beyond what I'd personally pay for it. Although I buy knives as users I like to put my own scratches on rather than buy something that's already beat up, and I'm not prepared to pay big money (because something is "collectable") for a user, so I've pretty much come towards the end of the line with SAK's. I have most of what I want, and the rest aren't necessarily worth chasing due to price (to me that is) :P :D :D


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #53 on: October 07, 2013, 02:44:25 PM
And SAK prices never seem to go down. I  :think: at the prices that some knives now command on eBay...when things were very different back in 2009. If I had to pay today's prices, I know I wouldn't have as many knives as I do now.
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #54 on: October 07, 2013, 02:54:28 PM
The values of mine are much lower now than when I got them (self inflicted) :P but I certainly agree with you on many collectables in circulation :tu: There are more that I would consider getting to play with, or using/carrying because they look like a nicer version of what I've got .... but not at today's prices so I can just get them all scratched and battered. I fell very lucky with the Wood 03 and Swissbuck Sidekick, and many of what I saw before (and since) were cost prohibitive


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #55 on: October 07, 2013, 06:43:38 PM
I hear ya...
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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #56 on: October 07, 2013, 08:22:15 PM
...There are a couple which have eluded me (Gawain and Euro versions),...

Well you could have said you were searching for those. :-\ I think basilio had at least the Euro for sale this past week on edcsource. Maybe even the Gawain. It was one of the Dynasty series but I'm not sure which one. Try contacting him if he still has it. i know Jimmy Lee bought some of them but I not sure which ones.


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #57 on: October 07, 2013, 08:27:15 PM
...There are a couple which have eluded me (Gawain and Euro versions),...

Well you could have said you were searching for those. :-\ I think basilio had at least the Euro for sale this past week on edcsource. Maybe even the Gawain. It was one of the Dynasty series but I'm not sure which one. Try contacting him if he still has it. i know Jimmy Lee bought some of them but I not sure which ones.

 :pok:

There was a Gawain up recently on EDCSource, but it went beyond what I'd personally pay for it. Although I buy knives as users I like to put my own scratches on rather than buy something that's already beat up, and I'm not prepared to pay big money (because something is "collectable") for a user, so I've pretty much come towards the end of the line with SAK's. I have most of what I want, and the rest aren't necessarily worth chasing due to price (to me that is) :P :D :D

 ;) :D :D

In fairness I WAS actively looking for those two a while back, but am now fairly happy to sit back with what I have (even thought about getting rid of a couple) ... unless of course one sneaks under my nose at the right price of course :D


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #58 on: October 07, 2013, 08:35:52 PM
::)

Long day. Lots of mileage. :D I didn't read till the end. :-[

I was bidding on a Professional and hoped Jimmy'd let me have the older cheaper, worse shape one to try out but no such luck.


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Re: How Addictive are SAKs?
Reply #59 on: October 07, 2013, 08:42:21 PM
Yeah, noticed that as I almost put a bid on it too ... then I finally got it into my head it's pretty much the same as the Pioneer Harvester which I already own and don't use

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