sog pocket power plier vs leatherman juice

billings · **on:** February 01, 2009, 08:49:02 AM

i own a juice s2 and would like a sog ppp (or paratool). the sog may even be cheaper than the juice (S2, my personal choice in the absence of a kf4 with scissors instead of saw) where i am (uk)

i love the look of the sog pliers, they look super high quality and better than the lm juice. am i wrong? (i have had juices which have had pretty shoddy finishing from the factory, like chipped blades and pliers that don't come together just right, every pic i have seen of sog pliers looks frankly beautiful)

i HATE both chisel ground blades and the overall look of the sog blade, it looks like they couldn't be bothered (considering some of the beautiful blades sog makes...) so the juice blade seems better to me just cos it v-ground and a useful shape. if i had a ppp i would be tempted to swap the blade for something else (i'd love scissors)

heres how i see it, (i have 0 sog experience so i'm not saying i'm right, rather correct me if i'm wrong, i'd like to know)

pliers-sog
accessibility of tools-juice (outside of handles)
blade-juice (v-ground preferable to chisel ground)
overall quality/fit and finish-sog

would i be better off with the pocket power plier than another juice

what you guys reckon?

Medic82 · **Reply #1 on:** February 01, 2009, 10:15:57 AM

I think you should go for a SOG……………..But I’m a SOG lover so don’t listen to me

billings · **Reply #2 on:** February 01, 2009, 10:41:54 AM

Quote from: Medic82 on February 01, 2009, 10:15:57 AM

I think you should go for a SOG……………..But I’m a SOG lover so don’t listen to me

i'm happy to listen to you, i'm sure you don't love them for no reason

why do you love 'em so much, any experience with the pocket pp or the lm juice?

Medic82 · **Reply #3 on:** February 01, 2009, 11:12:32 AM

I have no experience with the PP or Juice. Why do I love SOG? My first multitool was a Paratool, first kiss and first love and all that…………..SOG’s feel like their more solid, they are a tool for men, I love the design and how it feel’s in my hand. I just love SOG. But you won’t go wrong with a Leatherman either. Just think about what jobs you are going to do and what do you need of tools, or, you could do like I did 11 years ago when I bought my Paratool. Go for then one that you can’t put down when you first pick it up.

Nikos · **Reply #4 on:** February 01, 2009, 11:58:07 AM

With a PPP you can always swap that blade for this. Seems a v-grind to me... FWIW I'd buy a PPP instantly if it had locking tools...

billings · **Reply #5 on:** February 01, 2009, 12:05:21 PM

Quote from: noth on February 01, 2009, 11:58:07 AM

With a PPP you can always swap that blade for this. Seems a v-grind to me... FWIW I'd buy a PPP instantly if it had locking tools...

much better than the chisel ground combo blade, if i bought the tool and i couldn't fit scissors to it i would probably do that. nice one thanks

still an uninspired blade though (come on sog, hard to believe the same company can make these blades and also make blades like the tech bowie, i know it's different being a tool in a multi-tool but all the same it could be so much better, just look at the charge/wave blade: far better)

EZ822 · **Reply #6 on:** February 01, 2009, 04:51:21 PM

Quote from: billings on February 01, 2009, 12:05:21 PM

Quote from: noth on February 01, 2009, 11:58:07 AM
With a PPP you can always swap that blade for this. Seems a v-grind to me... FWIW I'd buy a PPP instantly if it had locking tools...

much better than the chisel ground combo blade, if i bought the tool and i couldn't fit scissors to it i would probably do that. nice one thanks

still an uninspired blade though (come on sog, hard to believe the same company can make these blades and also make blades like the tech bowie, i know it's different being a tool in a multi-tool but all the same it could be so much better, just look at the charge/wave blade: far better)

I put that blade in my Powerlock and it is a V-grind. Your right when you say it is an uninspired blade but its better than the chisel grind. As far as wich tool is better I would lean towards the PPP. It would take more of a beating than a Juice model. Plus the pliers have the compound leverage.

DaveK · **Reply #7 on:** February 01, 2009, 06:28:31 PM

Hmm, it seems like they're not that good a comparison to me. I don't have a PPP, but I do have a Paratool as you mentioned, and the SOG is quite a bit bigger. My point being that if you are looking to move up a size, then you have many more options. The Juice is a 3.5" pocket tool, the Paratool is a 4" full sized tool, so is probably better compared with the Kick, Fuse or Blast, Wave and Charge from Leatherman's range, but there are SOG, Victorinox, Gerber and other manufacturer's offerings to consider too at that size. I've always thought of the Juice range as a competitor to the Swiss Army Knife, more than full-size plier multi tools, a sort of "inbetween" tool really.

I'm a bit surprised that you've had "shoddy" finishing on Juice models though, as all of mine are top notch. And if they weren't, I'd be returning them under warranty. I'm not sure if I've just been lucky, but I own 9 Juice tools, and have handled dozens, and never seen or heard about shoddy finishing before.

Personally, I really like the Paratool as an interesting bit of design, but find it a bit awkward to access the tools inside due to the way the tool closes up. With the three SOG models I have, the finish is nice, with a high polish on all of the pliers, but that doesn't actually make them "better" IMO, but it really depends on what's important to you.

Probably the best thing for you to do billings, is figure out which functions are most important to you, including size, strength etc, and between us, we're likely to have seen most of the options available and absolutely love sharing what we know

american lockpicker · **Reply #8 on:** February 01, 2009, 09:20:04 PM

You will like the SOG trust me. Also it should be legal for EDC in the UK.

eodtech · **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2009, 12:23:22 AM

Lighter and more compact than the SOG PowerLock, its big brother, the Pocket PowerPlier ( Model #S44 ) is very easy to carry and use. SOG's Pocket PowerPlier is packed with essential tools that include pliers/grippers, wire cutters, partially serrated blade, Phillips screwdriver, three-sided file, can opener with a small screwdriver, bottle opener with medium screwdriver, an awl, rulers, lanyard and heavy duty leather pouch. Again the PPP’s advantage of hex bolt construction leaves all the other multitools running for cover as this essential design element gives you the greatest versatility to clean and change tool components ( additional tool components are directly available from SOG for a modest charge) not offered by other multitool manufacturers. With the interghangability you can replace the partially serrated blade with a 3" plain edge blade and I also removed the 3 sided file and replaced it with a serrated line cutter. I find carrying the PPP a benefit because of less weight hanging on my belt ( 5.5 ounces vs 9.6 ounces for the PowerLock) . Also noted is SOG's Deluxe Pocket PowerPlier ( Model S45) whichs adds a large screwdriver, 1/4 socket drive however it loses the awl as a tool and weighs in at 5.5 ounces - same as he S44 model. Backed by a Lifetime Guarantee and they are MADE IN THE USA. Street price around $45.00

Plus you can put a pocket clip on the PPP

Anthony · **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2009, 03:27:18 AM

I didn't read through this whole thread, but replying to the original post, I'd personally carry the SOG over the Juice.

The SOG has a longer Phillips head, and can hold more tools (or less tools if every ounce is a factor). The one downside of the PPP is all the tools open from the inside. Another upside is the PPP pliers are one hand opening and closing!

Nutznboltz · **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2009, 03:39:38 AM

Billings, go with the Sog you won't regret it. Compound leverage, interchangable tools, excellent fit and finish, it's a winner.

I have a KF4 ( love it ) and a number of Sog's including the Paratool and it just feels sturdier than the juice. It doesn't have the compound leverage of the PPP but still has hex bolt construction to customize the tool to your liking. Also the Paratool has very comfortable handles, the PPP might dig into you hands a bit when appling pressure but you do get compound leverage, there's always a trade off. The Juice series is more of a SAK with large pliers IMO, it's a great multi as well but just not as capable as a PPP or Paratool. Hope this helps, if not do what most of us here do, get both.

David · **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2009, 04:55:35 AM

I own both a SOG P3 and the Juice S2. My would recommend the SOG P3

billings · **Reply #13 on:** February 02, 2009, 05:10:15 AM

Quote from: Corrugated on February 02, 2009, 03:27:18 AM

The SOG has a longer Phillips head, and can hold more tools (or less tools if every ounce is a factor).

could you take all the tools out and just have the pliers? or just have 1 tool in each side? that would make it pretty light

thanks for all the replies guys

Anthony · **Reply #14 on:** February 02, 2009, 05:18:20 AM

Sure, you can just have a pair of folding pliers if you want.

billings · **Reply #15 on:** February 02, 2009, 05:29:38 AM

would the sog scissors fit in there without any modding if they were the only thing in one side?

Anthony · **Reply #16 on:** February 02, 2009, 05:32:32 AM

I'm pretty sure they would fit, BUT, I also belive they NEED to have a locking mechanism to work.

The scissors are actually two peices that go into the tool, and in order for them to deploy properly, both peices need to "click" into the locking bar.

billings · **Reply #17 on:** February 02, 2009, 05:34:20 AM

oh right thanks

are the sog scissors good?

Styerman · **Reply #18 on:** February 02, 2009, 06:32:22 AM

The PPP is a nice unit . I loved my para tool , but only for a short time . I had a handle half crack while crimping a "B" connector on 22ga telephone quad . Hardly a high degree of force , any competent needle nose should be able to do it .

Anyway sent the first one back , got warranty , the replacement exhibited the same failure . Kinda soured me on SOG ! Would be a great tool if they got their material science right . Great concept , not quite got the material science right .

Chris

Anthony · **Reply #19 on:** February 03, 2009, 04:52:46 AM

Quote from: billings on February 02, 2009, 05:34:20 AM

oh right thanks

are the sog scissors good?

ahh not really IMO...They are well made and aren't sloppy, but where you put your thumb is very thin, so any prolonged cutting or cutting through anything tough (rope, fabric) is going to be uncomfortable. I carried it on my SOG for the longest time and it came in handy, but a few weeks ago I swapped it out for a V Cutter.

billings · **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2009, 06:59:50 AM

thanks man

eodtech · **Reply #21 on:** February 03, 2009, 08:57:12 AM

Quote from: billings on February 02, 2009, 05:29:38 AM

would the sog scissors fit in there without any modding if they were the only thing in one side?

The scissors will not fit a PPP......

http://sogknives.com/store/PL-ACC-SCISS.html

Benner · **Reply #22 on:** February 03, 2009, 11:42:25 AM

Quote from: eodtech on February 03, 2009, 08:57:12 AM

Quote from: billings on February 02, 2009, 05:29:38 AM
would the sog scissors fit in there without any modding if they were the only thing in one side?

The scissors will not fit a PPP......

http://sogknives.com/store/PL-ACC-SCISS.html

They are not designed to fit, however I believe a simple alteration to them makes them go in.

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