What could Victorinox add as a new SAK tool?

[Etherealicer]

A full sized Bit-Holder would make up a very fat layer.

Ya the more Ive thought about it the only way to have a full size 1/4" bit holder is to do it as a scale cutout like the marlin spike does.  But you're right how many bits could you store, and would it be worth it to just have one on board in the driver itself.. maybe i dunno.   

As a mod, it could be great (As a standart SAK implement meh...).
You could use LM bits. That way the SAK could complement the LM AND having an additional bit-holder would provide you with two ready bits. This of course means a rather heavy tool load to begin with and also a niche that is already occupied (but not necessarily filled) by the skeletool.

How about a screw-driver-layer with two extra long drivers on top of each other (F(lat) and P(hillips))?

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF    PPP
F  F   PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP  P
FFF                                       PPP

[Syph007]

A full sized Bit-Holder would make up a very fat layer.

Ya the more Ive thought about it the only way to have a full size 1/4" bit holder is to do it as a scale cutout like the marlin spike does.  But you're right how many bits could you store, and would it be worth it to just have one on board in the driver itself.. maybe i dunno.   

As a mod, it could be great.
You could use LM bits. That way the SAK could complement the LM AND having an additional bit-holder would provide you with two ready bits. This of course means a rather heavy tool load to begin with and also a niche that is already occupied (but not necessarily filled) by the skeletool.

How about a screw-driver-layer with two extra long drivers on top of each other (F(lat) and P(hillips))?

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF    PPP
F  F   PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP  P
FFF                                       PPP

Thats makes alot of sense for sure.... a dual long driver layer.  I like it.  I really like the long small phillips on the 111mm workchamp.

[Etherealicer]

A full sized Bit-Holder would make up a very fat layer.

Ya the more Ive thought about it the only way to have a full size 1/4" bit holder is to do it as a scale cutout like the marlin spike does.  But you're right how many bits could you store, and would it be worth it to just have one on board in the driver itself.. maybe i dunno.   

As a mod, it could be great.
You could use LM bits. That way the SAK could complement the LM AND having an additional bit-holder would provide you with two ready bits. This of course means a rather heavy tool load to begin with and also a niche that is already occupied (but not necessarily filled) by the skeletool.

How about a screw-driver-layer with two extra long drivers on top of each other (F(lat) and P(hillips))?

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF    PPP
F  F   PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP  P
FFF                                       PPP

Thats makes alot of sense for sure.... a dual long driver layer.  I like it.  I really like the long small phillips on the 111mm workchamp.

Yes just the opening of the lower driver has to be planned carefully.

[enki_ck]

How about a Swissgrip/Mike Horn Ranger style bit driver for just the bit capabilities? You can carry the bits separatly. You'd have to make the scales out of SS for that one though.

[Syph007]

How about a Swissgrip/Mike Horn Ranger style bit driver for just the bit capabilities? You can carry the bits separatly. You'd have to make the scales out of SS for that one though.

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You know what would make that awesome... if it was racheting... a steel liner and scale with a racheting 1/4 driver... that way its not awkward to use on the side at all.. thats the only disadvantage of it currently.

[Cupboard]

A full sized Bit-Holder would make up a very fat layer.

Ya the more Ive thought about it the only way to have a full size 1/4" bit holder is to do it as a scale cutout like the marlin spike does.  But you're right how many bits could you store, and would it be worth it to just have one on board in the driver itself.. maybe i dunno.   

As a mod, it could be great.
You could use LM bits. That way the SAK could complement the LM AND having an additional bit-holder would provide you with two ready bits. This of course means a rather heavy tool load to begin with and also a niche that is already occupied (but not necessarily filled) by the skeletool.

How about a screw-driver-layer with two extra long drivers on top of each other (F(lat) and P(hillips))?

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF    PPP
F  F   PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP  P
FFF                                       PPP

Thats makes alot of sense for sure.... a dual long driver layer.  I like it.  I really like the long small phillips on the 111mm workchamp.

Yes just the opening of the lower driver has to be planned carefully.

Do you mean like the Gerber Fit?

AIUI, the Workchamp's long Phillips is only a No1, it would be useful if it was a No2.

[Etherealicer]

A full sized Bit-Holder would make up a very fat layer.

Ya the more Ive thought about it the only way to have a full size 1/4" bit holder is to do it as a scale cutout like the marlin spike does.  But you're right how many bits could you store, and would it be worth it to just have one on board in the driver itself.. maybe i dunno.   

As a mod, it could be great.
You could use LM bits. That way the SAK could complement the LM AND having an additional bit-holder would provide you with two ready bits. This of course means a rather heavy tool load to begin with and also a niche that is already occupied (but not necessarily filled) by the skeletool.

How about a screw-driver-layer with two extra long drivers on top of each other (F(lat) and P(hillips))?

FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF    PPP
F  F   PPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP  P
FFF                                       PPP

Thats makes alot of sense for sure.... a dual long driver layer.  I like it.  I really like the long small phillips on the 111mm workchamp.

Yes just the opening of the lower driver has to be planned carefully.

Do you mean like the Gerber Fit?

AIUI, the Workchamp's long Phillips is only a No1, it would be useful if it was a No2.

I don't know if I google "Gerber Fit", I get fitness videos/pictures of former Miss Switzerland J.A. Gerber, not that I mind.

What I tried to show with the sketch is two long drivers, both the length of the blade/saw etc. one at middle level of the layer, one on top of the layer.
Like a triple layer

Side View:
<-Pivor here-------- Upper driver---->
                      <-- Lower driver--------Pivot here->
<------------------ Back Spring ------------------>

[Sr.Multiherramienta]

A lot of hate for the poor corkscrew... But it's a SURVIVAL tool!

I guess it's going to be in SAKs for a little more, it's handy in countries with wine tradition. I have a friend here in Spain with a Craftsman Vic and he asked me to mod it to add a corkscrew. He is tired of not having it, he thinks it was a mistake to choose the phillips. His friends too.

More than new tools, I will like more options of combinations of the present ones. I think SAKs with the layer of bottle and can opener removed could be very popular, specially Alox. People want different things now.

Maybe something like the Wenger wrench. And will be interesting an alternative to the hook, probably the most obsolete tool.

[Etherealicer]

A lot of hate for the poor corkscrew... But it's a SURVIVAL tool!

I guess it's going to be in SAKs for a little more, it's handy in countries with wine tradition. I have a friend here in Spain with a Craftsman Vic and he asked me to mod it to add a corkscrew. He is tired of not having it, he thinks it was a mistake to choose the phillips. His friends too.

More than new tools, I will like more options of combinations of the present ones. I think SAKs with the layer of bottle and can opener removed could be very popular, specially Alox. People want different things now.

Maybe something like the Wenger wrench. And will be interesting an alternative to the hook, probably the most obsolete tool.

+1 

[dmanuel]

Ferro rod
This is rather a consumable and would IMO make more sense to be incorporated into the sheath.

I was thinking along the lines of the Exotac system since it is both sealed and replaceable.

First let me clarify: I Me Personally wouldn't want a Ferro Rod in a SAK, that doesn't mean you shouldn't want it . The same is of course true fore everything else I write below.*

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This is why I prefer to have such highly specific implements separate so they can be combine them with any SAK.

  Fair enough, we all have different wants/needs and that is completely understandable!

[Spatha]

Diamond file please.  Also perhaps the slip joint pliers from Wenger, although I haven't actually tried them myself yet.   

[enki_ck]

A glass cutter. (at least it looks like one to me )


Saw this one yesterday while browsing.

[Spatha]

A glass cutter. (at least it looks like one to me )

Saw this one yesterday while browsing.

Could be for a very small pizza?   

[neillcurrie]

Not really an "extra" tool, but I would love them if they did this:
Make the Combo tool thicker and beefier to resist torque better, then add a 1/4 inch hex hole in the tool, and change the profile in the end somehow to enable both a flat bladed screwdriver tip and a flat Philips driver. I know the tool as it stands enables driving a Philips screw, somewhat, but the angle isn't optimal for it.
If they do this, then the main blade could be made thicker too, allowing for extra beefy goodness.

While they're about it, the liners either side of the backtools that get torqued should be reinforced. I've seen liners bend from even relatively mild torque on the backside Philips for example.

[sixgun]

1. Removable ferro rod that stores in the knife.
2. A wood scraper that makes shavings for fire starting (other than kinfe blade) love to see something new and creative.
3. More blade styles for sure.
4. +1 for dedicated pry tool.
5. +1 for inline marlin spike on 91mm

What I really want is more 91mm SAKs without the redundant tools like can and bottle openers, nothing against these two tools I just don't think all the med sized models need to have them.

[tosh]

I'm gonna go the other way...

I'd like Vic to release one without any blades!! And maybe incorporate a tiny tube to hold money £, $, €. Notes

I would feel far more at ease  walking round shopping malls, schools, colleges, cinemas etc etc knowing my SAK contained nothing more threatening than a saw blade. The can opener is surprisingly more useful than its intended use and far far less threatening than a blade.

[enki_ck]

Yes, a bladeless model in a bigger frame (not just 58/65mm) would be nice.

Lots of places that don't allow knives, but a SAK with a file, openers, scissors and maybe the CT layer would be a good option. Not so sure how much a saw would be needed in such an environment.

[tosh]

Yes, a bladeless model in a bigger frame (not just 58/65mm) would be nice.

Lots of places that don't allow knives, but a SAK with a file, openers, scissors and maybe the CT layer would be a good option. Not so sure how much a saw would be needed in such an environment.

Definitely bigger than 58/65.
I'd want all the tools to be totally useable... 91/110??
and, yes I would want the saw blade. The CT layer is a great idea 

[Syph007]

Yes, a bladeless model in a bigger frame (not just 58/65mm) would be nice.

Lots of places that don't allow knives, but a SAK with a file, openers, scissors and maybe the CT layer would be a good option. Not so sure how much a saw would be needed in such an environment.

Yup makes sense to provide that as an option.  The annoying part of how SAKs are currently build is the blade layer is tied in with the corkscrew and back scale cutout.  So dropping that layer means dropping the corkscrew and there is no non cutout scales. 

[tosh]

Yes, a bladeless model in a bigger frame (not just 58/65mm) would be nice.

Lots of places that don't allow knives, but a SAK with a file, openers, scissors and maybe the CT layer would be a good option. Not so sure how much a saw would be needed in such an environment.

Yup makes sense to provide that as an option.  The annoying part of how SAKs are currently build is the blade layer is tied in with the corkscrew and back scale cutout.  So dropping that layer means dropping the corkscrew and there is no non cutout scales.

So if we did away with the corkscrew and instead fitted a small steel capsule to hold a folded note for emergency,  it would solve the problem.


Something along this line??

And keep the lite too!

Make it a Go Anywhere Tool = next generation GAT

[enki_ck]

Yes, a bladeless model in a bigger frame (not just 58/65mm) would be nice.

Lots of places that don't allow knives, but a SAK with a file, openers, scissors and maybe the CT layer would be a good option. Not so sure how much a saw would be needed in such an environment.

Yup makes sense to provide that as an option.  The annoying part of how SAKs are currently build is the blade layer is tied in with the corkscrew and back scale cutout.  So dropping that layer means dropping the corkscrew and there is no non cutout scales.

So if we did away with the corkscrew and instead fitted a small steel capsule to hold a folded note for emergency,  it would solve the problem.


Something along this line??

And keep the lite too!

Make it a Go Anywhere Tool = next generation GAT

Try folding a bit and see how much space it requires. That capsule would require at least 3/4 layers.

[Jothra]

There are a lot of interesting ideas in this thread, but someone will have to explain to me how a dedicated prying tool will outperform the one practically every SAK comes with already.

I like the idea of a beefed-up combo tool. Isn't that already an option on the slide-lock Hunter? Granted, that's a 111 model...

[tosh]

Yes, a bladeless model in a bigger frame (not just 58/65mm) would be nice.

Lots of places that don't allow knives, but a SAK with a file, openers, scissors and maybe the CT layer would be a good option. Not so sure how much a saw would be needed in such an environment.

Yup makes sense to provide that as an option.  The annoying part of how SAKs are currently build is the blade layer is tied in with the corkscrew and back scale cutout.  So dropping that layer means dropping the corkscrew and there is no non cutout scales.

So if we did away with the corkscrew and instead fitted a small steel capsule to hold a folded note for emergency,  it would solve the problem.


Something along this line??

And keep the lite too!

Make it a Go Anywhere Tool = next generation GAT

Try folding a bit and see how much space it requires. That capsule would require at least 3/4 layers.

I appreciate that, but seriously. How many times have you been caught short and typically the ATM is out!! I think access to cash can and is a real lifesaver sometimes. I'm pretty certain there are ways and means.

[enki_ck]

Try folding a bit and see how much space it requires. That capsule would require at least 3/4 layers.

I appreciate that, but seriously. How many times have you been caught short and typically the ATM is out!! I think access to cash can and is a real lifesaver sometimes. I'm pretty certain there are ways and means.

I said to try folding a bill cause I know how muck space it needs. I carried one of those capsules for a while and even a single bill folded takes up a lot of room. And I can get damaged. Also if you need it in a vending machine, parking, and such it won't work. There are better ways of carrying spare cash.

[tosh]

Try folding a bit and see how much space it requires. That capsule would require at least 3/4 layers.

I appreciate that, but seriously. How many times have you been caught short and typically the ATM is out!! I think access to cash can and is a real lifesaver sometimes. I'm pretty certain there are ways and means.

I said to try folding a bill cause I know how muck space it needs. I carried one of those capsules for a while and even a single bill folded takes up a lot of room. And I can get damaged. Also if you need it in a vending machine, parking, and such it won't work. There are better ways of carrying spare cash.

Yeah, I'm running away with myself again...

I might get one of those capsules and see if it will work hung off the Vic key ring!!
The old wenger chains would lend themselves perfectly for that.

[ironraven]

Keep it simple, no matter what is added. Which would not be a ferro rod.

-The Wenger wrench.
-Stainless files throughout, if not a diamond one.
-1/4" driver, or maybe a 1/4" socket bit and a low cost adaptor (ala SOG, but a better price on the adaptor) opposite the inline phillips (or an LED that doesn't suck).
-Wider variety of blade shapes. The normal spearpoint and sheepsfoot big blades in plain, partial and fully serrated, and the small bit line could include warncliffe, sheepsfoot/electician and more pruner blades, along with more combo tool options and an inline awl option on the 91mm frame.

The Swissgrip was a neat idea, I'm curious what Vic could make of it, but I'm not sure it would sell.

I'd love to see a Victorinox stockman-style, maybe a large normal blade with a small warncliff, scissors in the middle, large sheepsfoot with combo tool.

[PTRSAK]

A glass cutter. (at least it looks like one to me )


Saw this one yesterday while browsing.


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I've got a sak-a-like with a glass cutter on it too.

[ducttapetech]

I still want to see a chainsaw layer.

1/4 socket adapter like on an sog paired with wenger wrench would be a sweet layer.

that's us mobile

[Steinar]

2. A wood scraper that makes shavings for fire starting (other than kinfe blade) love to see something new and creative.

I'm perfectly happy with using a blade for that myself, but I have seen "survival tools" simply using a pencil sharpener for that, and a pencil sharpener is useful for... sharpening pencils as well. (Though, again, I personally think sharpening my pencils with a blade is just fine...)

There are some ways of building a pencil sharpener which can become pretty thin.

[Etherealicer]

There are a lot of interesting ideas in this thread, but someone will have to explain to me how a dedicated prying tool will outperform the one practically every SAK comes with already.

Simple

- Slimmer tip to easier slip it into the gap
- Profile: one side flat, the other side curved for better prying
- Nail gap.

Something like:
Fubar Baby*


* If you think I have anything to do with that nice looking piece then you are overestimating me