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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #210 on: February 07, 2017, 11:49:21 PM
Same one I posted a while back, but the pics are no longer there. Go tit from a guy on Craigslist years ago. Think I paid $30ish for it. Can't really remember.







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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #211 on: February 08, 2017, 01:48:33 AM
got an older Champion with a bail on it today.  I really wanted a thicker bail SAK, and am glad to have this,  I call it the File king.

File #1



File #2



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the most files I have on one SAK.   :tu:










If I can help, let me know 


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #212 on: February 08, 2017, 03:19:47 AM
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #213 on: February 08, 2017, 11:41:36 PM
Same one I posted a while back, but the pics are no longer there. Go tit from a guy on Craigslist years ago. Think I paid $30ish for it. Can't really remember.

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$30 for a Wenger with a scrapper? Great knife at a great price!   :tu:


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #214 on: February 08, 2017, 11:42:20 PM
got an older Champion with a bail on it today.  I really wanted a thicker bail SAK, and am glad to have this,  I call it the File king.

File #1



File #2



File #3




the most files I have on one SAK.   :tu:










Nice score!   :cheers:


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #215 on: February 09, 2017, 12:50:46 AM
got an older Champion with a bail on it today.  I really wanted a thicker bail SAK, and am glad to have this,  I call it the File king.


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #216 on: February 13, 2017, 06:53:34 AM
got an older Champion with a bail on it today.  I really wanted a thicker bail SAK, and am glad to have this,  I call it the File king.

File #1



File #2



File #3




the most files I have on one SAK.   :tu:


Cool!

But I have SAK with many, many more files. Hundreds, actually. On its USB flas drive ;)
You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #217 on: February 13, 2017, 11:39:29 AM
Same one I posted a while back, but the pics are no longer there. Go tit from a guy on Craigslist years ago. Think I paid $30ish for it. Can't really remember.

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That's a very nice one!  :like:

Does it have two large knife blades, or is the rounded blade something else?
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Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #218 on: February 13, 2017, 01:14:57 PM
Same one I posted a while back, but the pics are no longer there. Go tit from a guy on Craigslist years ago. Think I paid $30ish for it. Can't really remember.

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That's a very nice one!  :like:

Does it have two large knife blades, or is the rounded blade something else?
It is file/snow scriper :) Nice knife!


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #219 on: February 13, 2017, 02:31:47 PM
What a fantastic thread folks - I love all the oldies
Must read through all of this thread sometime and maybe post my oldies and join the club  :tu:

And this info is just great - Thanks for enlightening us once again JB.
I should have known there would be a logic to it !!
Old model number key for the curious
First, the main number:
1xx = Phillips, 2xx = Corkscrew.
x34 = blades, openers
x35 = blades, openers, scissors
x36 = blades, openers, scissors, saw
x37 = blades, openers, saw
x45 = blades, openers, scissors w/ LNF
x46 = blades, openers, scissors w/ LNF, saw

Then the letters after:
k = 84mm (klein). No k = 91mm
a = toothpick/tweezers
f = fish scaler
m = metal file
U = bail/keyring

There are other numbers like 248k that are just assigned and don't really follow a pattern.

Just one more question for JB - or anybody - When did they switch from numeric models like this to the named models we know today?
I'm guessing the 60's sometime - Maybe earlier?


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #220 on: February 13, 2017, 05:58:36 PM
Just one more question for JB - or anybody - When did they switch from numeric models like this to the named models we know today?
I'm guessing the 60's sometime - Maybe earlier?

Early 1970s, probably right around the big 1974 transition. The new magnifier/Phillips layer introduced in the early 1970s is a good indicator of the change - I have yet to see any knife with a magnifier layer that has an old model number. You do see boxes into the mid 1970s with both model numbers, but then by the late 1970s everything has transitioned to the new "1.3703" style.


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #221 on: February 13, 2017, 06:01:18 PM
got an older Champion with a bail on it today.  I really wanted a thicker bail SAK, and am glad to have this,  I call it the File king.

the most files I have on one SAK.   :tu:

The first *real* vintage SAK I ever bought was a Champion LNF almost identical to this one. I still remember being fascinated with the absurd number of different files on it. Great addition to your collection.


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #222 on: February 13, 2017, 08:44:57 PM
got an older Champion with a bail on it today.  I really wanted a thicker bail SAK, and am glad to have this,  I call it the File king.

the most files I have on one SAK.   :tu:

The first *real* vintage SAK I ever bought was a Champion LNF almost identical to this one. I still remember being fascinated with the absurd number of different files on it. Great addition to your collection.

thank you jazzbass,  I do love it.  some of the layers have lost their snap, but it is still a great knife 50 years later!
If I can help, let me know 


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #223 on: February 14, 2017, 02:04:04 PM
Wow – Thanks JB – That is fascinating – And later than I thought - You always know the answer ;)
So the model number format changed at the same time as the descriptive names being introduced.
Makes sense I guess.
I have updated my collection database with the correct model numbers for the appropriate models (previously I just had the modern names) - Very excited about that  :ahhh

I checked the Wiki Champion page and indeed the 6-layer Champion has the old style numbering and the 7 layer the new.
After 100s of visits to that page I had never noticed that.
So is it possible that the 6 layer was not even called the Champion?

If it’s OK – I’ll update the Wiki and my tool dating sheet with this info about the model numbers change and switch to names.

Couple of other interesting things I noticed in the Wiki.
In the tool guide Victorinox describe the SAK as the “The Champion of the Swiss Army Officers’ Knives”.
So it looks like this name emerged from being an adjectival descriptor to a full Proper Noun! Although they do use a capital ‘C’ in ‘Champion’‘.

The tool guide for the 7 layer model - pre Chisel – shows 24 functions. The tool guide for the 7 layer - with Chisel model is also there and of course has 25 functions
- Funny thing is they used the without Chisel picture for the with Chisel model and just stuck a number 25 in the gap in the picture where the Chisel would be. Check it out in the links  :)
Tut tut Victorinox!!  :twak:

got an older Champion with a bail on it today.  I really wanted a thicker bail SAK, and am glad to have this,  I call it the file king.
the most files I have on one SAK.
The first *real* vintage SAK I ever bought was a Champion LNF almost identical to this one. I still remember being fascinated with the absurd number of different files on it....

Well for me it was my second (in 2013) - But exactly the same thoughts about the files - Bizarre
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #224 on: February 14, 2017, 02:58:47 PM
So is it possible that the 6 layer was not even called the Champion?


Hi, Huntsman!


I've asked jazzbass regarding almost the same in another thread.
Here's his answer (hope, jazzbass allow to quote him here :)
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1. Champion CS LNF (Model 246fmaU) - 6 layers, LNF, corkscrew, 1952-1974
2. Champion LNF (Model 146fmaU) - 6 layers, LNF, Phillips, 1952-1974
3. Handyman Original (Model 236fmaU) - 6 layers, corkscrew, 1973-1986
4. Craftsman Original* (Model 136fmaU) - 6 layers, Phillips, 1973-1986
5. Champion (Model 1.5793/1.6783) - 7 layers, mag/Phillips, 1973-present


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #225 on: February 14, 2017, 03:14:58 PM
The knife in the middle is a Champion with the lanyard bail and exposed rivets. On the back it has the triangular awl, phillips that is round on the outside edge, but square on the opposite edge with a file on the back of it, and a long fingernail file with the best tip for cleaning fingernails that I have ever used.

The main blade has a cross bow and VICTORIA OFFICIER on the one side of the tang and VICTORINOX  SWITZERLAND  STAINLESS on the other.
The small blade is a clip blade and it also has scissors, wood saw (with rounded off end), metal file(with rounded off end), fish scaler, arc style can opener( with a cross and Pat.), and bottle opener.

I was at a gun and knife show in Dayton, OH. about 10 years ago and there was a guy whose table just had a bunch of odds and ends on it.  I spotted a an old Victorinox box, so I asked if I could see it and it turned out to be a NOS Champion....it had never been used, so I asked how much he wanted and he said $10.00.

Obviously he was not into knives .......you never saw anybody go for their wallet as fast as I did..... I could not believe he did not want more.......that was the only time I have ever stumbled on to such a good deal in my life.

The tweezers have a nickel/silver tip on them. 1956 was the last year for the nickel/silver tip on the tweezers(it was changed to aluminum in 1957), so it has to be between 1951 and 1956, since the arc style can opener was introduced in 1951. I had only seen pictures of the exposed rivet models prior to that, and I have never run into another exposed rivet
model since.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #226 on: February 14, 2017, 05:19:26 PM
Same one I posted a while back, but the pics are no longer there. Go tit from a guy on Craigslist years ago. Think I paid $30ish for it. Can't really remember.

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That's a very nice one!  :like:

Does it have two large knife blades, or is the rounded blade something else?
It is file/snow scriper :) Nice knife!(Image removed from quote.)


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Correct! Thank you for answering that one for me.  :tu:
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #227 on: February 14, 2017, 05:25:21 PM
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 :salute: Cool knife!
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #228 on: February 14, 2017, 05:36:09 PM
The knife in the middle is a Champion with the lanyard bail and exposed rivets. On the back it has the triangular awl, phillips that is round on the outside edge, but square on the opposite edge with a file on the back of it, and a long fingernail file with the best tip for cleaning fingernails that I have ever used.

The main blade has a cross bow and VICTORIA OFFICIER on the one side of the tang and VICTORINOX  SWITZERLAND  STAINLESS on the other.
The small blade is a clip blade and it also has scissors, wood saw (with rounded off end), metal file(with rounded off end), fish scaler, arc style can opener( with a cross and Pat.), and bottle opener.

I was at a gun and knife show in Dayton, OH. about 10 years ago and there was a guy whose table just had a bunch of odds and ends on it.  I spotted a an old Victorinox box, so I asked if I could see it and it turned out to be a NOS Champion....it had never been used, so I asked how much he wanted and he said $10.00.

Obviously he was not into knives .......you never saw anybody go for their wallet as fast as I did..... I could not believe he did not want more.......that was the only time I have ever stumbled on to such a good deal in my life.

The tweezers have a nickel/silver tip on them. 1956 was the last year for the nickel/silver tip on the tweezers(it was changed to aluminum in 1957), so it has to be between 1951 and 1956, since the arc style can opener was introduced in 1951. I had only seen pictures of the exposed rivet models prior to that, and I have never run into another exposed rivet
model since.
What stamp is on the can opener : US.PAT.PEND. or + PAT?


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #229 on: February 14, 2017, 05:37:10 PM
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 :salute: Cool knife!

Thank you very much. As I said before it was a random Craigslist find. Turns out it was a friend of mine's neighbor. It was (the sellers) fathers knife. Sadly the guy looked like a drug addict needing money for his fix, but I gladly rescued the knife.  :tu:
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #230 on: February 14, 2017, 06:12:02 PM
The knife in the middle is a Champion with the lanyard bail and exposed rivets. On the back it has the triangular awl, phillips that is round on the outside edge, but square on the opposite edge with a file on the back of it, and a long fingernail file with the best tip for cleaning fingernails that I have ever used.

The main blade has a cross bow and VICTORIA OFFICIER on the one side of the tang and VICTORINOX  SWITZERLAND  STAINLESS on the other.
The small blade is a clip blade and it also has scissors, wood saw (with rounded off end), metal file(with rounded off end), fish scaler, arc style can opener( with a cross and Pat.), and bottle opener.

I was at a gun and knife show in Dayton, OH. about 10 years ago and there was a guy whose table just had a bunch of odds and ends on it.  I spotted a an old Victorinox box, so I asked if I could see it and it turned out to be a NOS Champion....it had never been used, so I asked how much he wanted and he said $10.00.

Obviously he was not into knives .......you never saw anybody go for their wallet as fast as I did..... I could not believe he did not want more.......that was the only time I have ever stumbled on to such a good deal in my life.

The tweezers have a nickel/silver tip on them. 1956 was the last year for the nickel/silver tip on the tweezers(it was changed to aluminum in 1957), so it has to be between 1951 and 1956, since the arc style can opener was introduced in 1951. I had only seen pictures of the exposed rivet models prior to that, and I have never run into another exposed rivet
model since.
What stamp is on the can opener : US.PAT.PEND. or + PAT?

+PAT


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #231 on: February 14, 2017, 06:24:08 PM
The knife in the middle is a Champion with the lanyard bail and exposed rivets. On the back it has the triangular awl, phillips that is round on the outside edge, but square on the opposite edge with a file on the back of it, and a long fingernail file with the best tip for cleaning fingernails that I have ever used.

The main blade has a cross bow and VICTORIA OFFICIER on the one side of the tang and VICTORINOX  SWITZERLAND  STAINLESS on the other.
The small blade is a clip blade and it also has scissors, wood saw (with rounded off end), metal file(with rounded off end), fish scaler, arc style can opener( with a cross and Pat.), and bottle opener.

I was at a gun and knife show in Dayton, OH. about 10 years ago and there was a guy whose table just had a bunch of odds and ends on it.  I spotted a an old Victorinox box, so I asked if I could see it and it turned out to be a NOS Champion....it had never been used, so I asked how much he wanted and he said $10.00.

Obviously he was not into knives .......you never saw anybody go for their wallet as fast as I did..... I could not believe he did not want more.......that was the only time I have ever stumbled on to such a good deal in my life.

The tweezers have a nickel/silver tip on them. 1956 was the last year for the nickel/silver tip on the tweezers(it was changed to aluminum in 1957), so it has to be between 1951 and 1956, since the arc style can opener was introduced in 1951. I had only seen pictures of the exposed rivet models prior to that, and I have never run into another exposed rivet
model since.
What stamp is on the can opener : US.PAT.PEND. or + PAT?

+PAT
Thank you! Nice knife from 1953-1957, I have the same one and try to find Champion with US.PAT.PEND. but unsuccessfully  >:(


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #232 on: February 14, 2017, 06:56:33 PM
The knife in the middle is a Champion with the lanyard bail and exposed rivets. On the back it has the triangular awl, phillips that is round on the outside edge, but square on the opposite edge with a file on the back of it, and a long fingernail file with the best tip for cleaning fingernails that I have ever used.

The main blade has a cross bow and VICTORIA OFFICIER on the one side of the tang and VICTORINOX  SWITZERLAND  STAINLESS on the other.
The small blade is a clip blade and it also has scissors, wood saw (with rounded off end), metal file(with rounded off end), fish scaler, arc style can opener( with a cross and Pat.), and bottle opener.

I was at a gun and knife show in Dayton, OH. about 10 years ago and there was a guy whose table just had a bunch of odds and ends on it.  I spotted a an old Victorinox box, so I asked if I could see it and it turned out to be a NOS Champion....it had never been used, so I asked how much he wanted and he said $10.00.

Obviously he was not into knives .......you never saw anybody go for their wallet as fast as I did..... I could not believe he did not want more.......that was the only time I have ever stumbled on to such a good deal in my life.

The tweezers have a nickel/silver tip on them. 1956 was the last year for the nickel/silver tip on the tweezers(it was changed to aluminum in 1957), so it has to be between 1951 and 1956, since the arc style can opener was introduced in 1951. I had only seen pictures of the exposed rivet models prior to that, and I have never run into another exposed rivet
model since.
What stamp is on the can opener : US.PAT.PEND. or + PAT?

+PAT
Thank you! Nice knife from 1953-1957, I have the same one and try to find Champion with US.PAT.PEND. but unsuccessfully  >:(
Thanks for the info...hope you eventually find the one with US.PAT.PEND


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #233 on: February 16, 2017, 01:50:20 AM
Anyone know the possible age of this one?  I have it inbound:
Armee Suisse on one side.


« Last Edit: February 16, 2017, 01:55:43 AM by FolderBeholder »
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #234 on: February 16, 2017, 01:55:43 AM
Somewhere between 1937 and 1946. I'm only guessing of course. :-\  :like:


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #235 on: February 16, 2017, 02:17:23 AM
Anyone know the possible age of this one?  I have it inbound:
Armee Suisse on one side.

c. 1944-1946. This would be the last of the old style can openers before the crab claw type was introduced in 1946.

Looks like a Tourist, no?


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #236 on: February 16, 2017, 02:25:52 AM
Anyone know the possible age of this one?  I have it inbound:
Armee Suisse on one side.

c. 1944-1946. This would be the last of the old style can openers before the crab claw type was introduced in 1946.

Looks like a Tourist, no?
Thank you RS and JB, I'm unsure of the model name also.  I have been seeking a SAK with the old style can opener. 
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #237 on: February 16, 2017, 02:28:42 AM
Yes, likely a Tourist (I just checked the SakWiki), and since this is 84mm it seems quite likely.  :tu:
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #238 on: February 16, 2017, 02:31:04 AM
Sorry, I'll rephrase. It looks 84mm and not 91mm. But with older SAKs it's hard to tell sometimes. Technically it doesn't have a name anyway - just a model number. 205kU or 205U depending on 84mm or 91mm.


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Reply #239 on: February 16, 2017, 02:33:54 AM
I'm going to put it in the database as 205kU, thanks JB!
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.


 

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