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Vintage SAK Owners Club

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #451 on: April 16, 2017, 10:34:45 AM
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #452 on: April 16, 2017, 10:50:15 AM
Thanks... :)  It's a very good example of vintage one in pristine condition...along with a "Swiss made" text on the bottle opener (barely visible on my picture).


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #453 on: April 16, 2017, 03:24:57 PM
Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.



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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #455 on: April 16, 2017, 06:06:23 PM
NOS No 236
Nice knife! Congratulations!  :tu:


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #456 on: April 16, 2017, 09:59:05 PM
NOS No 236

Wow!!  That is really nice.  Is that 84 or 91mm?  I have need of a 91mm like that if you find yourself completely out of storage space.  😝        :cheers:


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #457 on: April 16, 2017, 09:59:51 PM


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #458 on: April 16, 2017, 11:38:15 PM
I love this knife and I'm just looking for some clarification on the opener layer as I like to document little variations in my notes about my knives.  As I'm examining my used, but new-to-me Picnicker, I notice the opener layer has two different versions of the tools.
On the left, the bottle opener doesn't have machine marks (usually diagonal lines).  On the right, the can opener with +Pat has the machine marks.
I am sorry the photos didn't pick it up, but the left tool, polished, right tool machine marks.

Hi FB,
I don't really know the answer to your question - So this is just speculation - Others may chip in....

I think there are two things that affect whether a tool is polished or not.

1. Time
If you take the Soldier line for instance - The early knives always have the machine marks.
Over time Vic moved onto installing the highly polished tools in all the Soldiers
.. Or at a specific point in time - Late 70s/80s?
SA Knights or the Wiki may have clues as to exactly when

2. Economy/Elinox lines
Never fully understood this - However...
These tools were produced by Vic some time ago and were duplicates of the regular models, but always had a rougher finish (less/no polishing) than the regular lines. So were cheaper to produce and therefore also cheaper to buy. 

There is a nice article in MTo somewhere about the Economy/Regular versions of the St.Chistopher Automobile which you might want to dig out.

Your knife is an Elinox and has a 'economy' and 'regular' opener.
So this knife demonstrates another feature of Vic SAK manufacturing which we have all seen (....quite a bit!!)

3. Parts installed on a knife that do not seem to match the rest of the knife 
So this is where, for whatever reason, an older, or in this case different/wrong (ie polished), part is installed in the knife being made.

So either it was made in a transition period and/or the 'wrong'  part was installed

As I say just my guess  ???

PS. I never really understood the Economy/Elinox lines.
I do understand that they cost less to build and don't have such a nice finish ...
But was it really worth it? As the price difference at the time was only a dollar/franc or two?
And to have completely different productions runs/catalogues/orders/distribution channels etc
- Seems like a lot of effort for little gain!!
I guess 20/30 years ago maybe a dollar or two was worth saving?
And of course now the ridiculous prices we pay for these old guys completely eclipses any price differences.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2017, 11:43:57 PM by Huntsman »


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #459 on: April 16, 2017, 11:48:39 PM
In case you were wondering, 60's Super Tinkers weigh around 89.4g.

I'm putting lots of SAKs on the scale here: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,71599.0.html

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #460 on: April 17, 2017, 09:13:37 AM
NOS No 236
Nice knife! Congratulations!  :tu:

Thanks JNOXID!  :cheers:

NOS No 236

Wow!!  That is really nice.  Is that 84 or 91mm?  I have need of a 91mm like that if you find yourself completely out of storage space.  😝        :cheers:

Thanks Boonies!  :cheers: It's 91mm...btw nice try.  :)

NOS No 236

Nice find! :like: :like:

Thanks VICMAN!  :cheers:


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #461 on: April 21, 2017, 11:42:16 PM
In case you were wondering, 60's Super Tinkers weigh around 89.4g.

I'm putting lots of SAKs on the scale here: https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,71599.0.html

 :salute:

Ok so I think mine is a Spartan, thanks, but it was old in the 50's....?  Sorry for the challenged  phone pic......
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #462 on: April 22, 2017, 09:53:15 AM
So that vintage super tinker turned out to be a Fieldmaster... It's in pretty good condition except the closing spring on the Philips is damaged and doesn't hold the tool closed.

Major bummer.

Anyone know about getting these repaired?

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #463 on: April 22, 2017, 01:57:35 PM
I love this knife and I'm just looking for some clarification on the opener layer as I like to document little variations in my notes about my knives.  As I'm examining my used, but new-to-me Picnicker, I notice the opener layer has two different versions of the tools.
On the left, the bottle opener doesn't have machine marks (usually diagonal lines).  On the right, the can opener with +Pat has the machine marks.
I am sorry the photos didn't pick it up, but the left tool, polished, right tool machine marks.

Hi FB,
I don't really know the answer to your question - So this is just speculation - Others may chip in....

I think there are two things that affect whether a tool is polished or not.

1. Time
If you take the Soldier line for instance - The early knives always have the machine marks.
Over time Vic moved onto installing the highly polished tools in all the Soldiers
.. Or at a specific point in time - Late 70s/80s?
SA Knights or the Wiki may have clues as to exactly when

2. Economy/Elinox lines
Never fully understood this - However...
These tools were produced by Vic some time ago and were duplicates of the regular models, but always had a rougher finish (less/no polishing) than the regular lines. So were cheaper to produce and therefore also cheaper to buy. 

There is a nice article in MTo somewhere about the Economy/Regular versions of the St.Chistopher Automobile which you might want to dig out.

Your knife is an Elinox and has a 'economy' and 'regular' opener.
So this knife demonstrates another feature of Vic SAK manufacturing which we have all seen (....quite a bit!!)

3. Parts installed on a knife that do not seem to match the rest of the knife 
So this is where, for whatever reason, an older, or in this case different/wrong (ie polished), part is installed in the knife being made.

So either it was made in a transition period and/or the 'wrong'  part was installed

As I say just my guess  ???

PS. I never really understood the Economy/Elinox lines.
I do understand that they cost less to build and don't have such a nice finish ...
But was it really worth it? As the price difference at the time was only a dollar/franc or two?
And to have completely different productions runs/catalogues/orders/distribution channels etc
- Seems like a lot of effort for little gain!!
I guess 20/30 years ago maybe a dollar or two was worth saving?
And of course now the ridiculous prices we pay for these old guys completely eclipses any price differences.
Thank you Huntsman for your thoughts.  I apologize I didn't see your post earlier, I usually get an email notification.  :think:

Rest in peace ColoSwiss, you will always be remembered.


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #464 on: April 22, 2017, 07:07:17 PM
I belive its an old handyman with old style blade and dog leg can opener also the screw diver and cap lifter is non locking ...


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #465 on: May 20, 2017, 11:03:11 PM
Victorinox/Elinox Automobile - St. Christopher


I don't know what this engraving means or could be a name ...

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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #466 on: May 20, 2017, 11:10:50 PM
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #467 on: May 20, 2017, 11:11:55 PM
I think it spells the name of Schärer.


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #468 on: May 21, 2017, 01:00:56 AM
I think it spells the name of Schärer.

Thanks Ronald!!!  :cheers:   I'll google that around a bit!!
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #469 on: May 29, 2017, 09:04:52 AM
It is not rare knife just early 1960s Angler 235 faU, but it looks like in 1960s this one is not so common as Fisherman with Phillips instead of corckscrew.


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #470 on: May 29, 2017, 10:16:08 AM
It is not rare knife just early 1960s Angler 235 faU, but it looks like in 1960s this one is not so common as Fisherman with Phillips instead of corckscrew. (Image removed from quote.)


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #471 on: May 29, 2017, 12:45:48 PM
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #472 on: May 29, 2017, 08:04:06 PM
It is not rare knife just early 1960s Angler 235 faU, but it looks like in 1960s this one is not so common as Fisherman with Phillips instead of corckscrew. (Image removed from quote.)


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #473 on: June 01, 2017, 12:03:09 PM
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #474 on: June 01, 2017, 05:43:03 PM
"The-Mad-Plumbarian" The Punisher Of Pipes!!! JR
As I sit on my Crapper Throne in the Reading Room and explode on the Commode, thinking, how my flush beat John’s and Jerry’s pair? Jack’s had to run for the Water Closet yet ended up tripping on a Can bowing and hitting his Head on the Porcelain God! 🚽


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #475 on: June 02, 2017, 07:10:53 AM
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I take it your a classic DE safety user?
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When I bother shaving these days..... yes. My preference is the old Gillette razors, favorite being the fatboy.
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #476 on: June 02, 2017, 08:08:35 AM
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I take it your a classic DE safety user?
JR

When I bother shaving these days..... yes. My preference is the old Gillette razors, favorite being the fatboy.
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Ditto when, mine is a Merkur,
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As I sit on my Crapper Throne in the Reading Room and explode on the Commode, thinking, how my flush beat John’s and Jerry’s pair? Jack’s had to run for the Water Closet yet ended up tripping on a Can bowing and hitting his Head on the Porcelain God! 🚽


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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #477 on: June 04, 2017, 07:18:11 AM
Finally finished my collection of 84mm metal file SAKs with the addition of a small Mountaineer (top right).  Has issues with over-sharpening of the blades but as my dear old mom used to say, "beggars can't be choosers".  It will be a good place holder until (or is that "if") a better example comes along.  It is from the 70's.

The others are the small Grand Prix (top left), also from the 70's, small Master Craftsman (bottom left) from the 70's and small Master Craftsman (bottom right) from the 60's.        :cheers:
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #478 on: June 04, 2017, 12:02:59 PM
Finally finished my collection of 84mm metal file SAKs with the addition of a small Mountaineer (top right).  Has issues with over-sharpening of the blades but as my dear old mom used to say, "beggars can't be choosers".  It will be a good place holder until (or is that "if") a better example comes along.  It is from the 70's.

The others are the small Grand Prix (top left), also from the 70's, small Master Craftsman (bottom left) from the 70's and small Master Craftsman (bottom right) from the 60's.        :cheers:
Really nice collection! Congrats!

Now you need 1950s Master Craftsman small and 1980s Grand Prix small  :cheers:
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Re: Vintage SAK Owners Club
Reply #479 on: June 04, 2017, 05:28:44 PM
Finally finished my collection of 84mm metal file SAKs with the addition of a small Mountaineer (top right).  Has issues with over-sharpening of the blades but as my dear old mom used to say, "beggars can't be choosers".  It will be a good place holder until (or is that "if") a better example comes along.  It is from the 70's.

The others are the small Grand Prix (top left), also from the 70's, small Master Craftsman (bottom left) from the 70's and small Master Craftsman (bottom right) from the 60's.        :cheers:
Really nice collection! Congrats!

Now you need 1950s Master Craftsman small and 1980s Grand Prix small  :cheers:

I knew  I wasn't finished!!  😛  My oh my, that 1950's MC is yummy.  Always liked that old style awl.  Very, very nice.  :tu:

My small Grand Prix could be (probably is) from the 1980's, late 1970's to early 1980's at least.  A backup would be good though, so I'll keep looking.  😜    :cheers:


 

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