Vintage SAK Owners Club

[MiniChamp]

It is not my knife to my regret, here are all pictures I have.
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[jnoxyd]

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[jnoxyd]

Can you help me with dating this 242 kU? No Victorinox shield on scales, steel liners, rivets and small blade spacer, nickel silver bail, back spring thickness decreases from one side to another. It has some imperfection in the form of a protruding spring with the main blade open.

[Ivo]

My latest WENGER 

[MiniChamp]

Can you help me with dating this 242 kU? No Victorinox shield on scales, steel liners, rivets and small blade spacer, nickel silver bail, back spring thickness decreases from one side to another. It has some imperfection in the form of a protruding spring with the main blade open.
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Interesting knife, Jnoxyd!  I hope that someone will indeed be able to shed some light on it. It may help if you could clarify the following:

• Are the blades and spring made of carbon steel?
• What type of steel (carbon/stainless) are the liners, rivets and small blade spacer made of?
• What material are the scales made of?

Thanks!

[wengercollector]

Can you help me with dating this 242 kU? No Victorinox shield on scales, steel liners, rivets and small blade spacer, nickel silver bail, back spring thickness decreases from one side to another. It has some imperfection in the form of a protruding spring with the main blade open.
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For me this knife looks a bit strange. The mainblade is original, thats for sure.
But the scales, shackle, liners, pins not. Thats my opinion. If you compare the knife with the picture of the shown No 242k, you can see that the pin on the feet of the knife is more in the middle, where the original is more left; the middle pin is far more down to the feet.

I think long time ago, someone brought the knife to a knifemaker for repair because of a broken mainblade. He changed it and used a blade he had, a Victoria blade. Such things were pretty common those days. Because everything was handmade and hand adjusted, so no problem for a knifemaker. The blade is from around 1910, so really old.

[jnoxyd]

Interesting knife, Jnoxyd!  I hope that someone will indeed be able to shed some light on it. It may help if you could clarify the following:

• Are the blades and spring made of carbon steel?
• What type of steel (carbon/stainless) are the liners, rivets and small blade spacer made of?
• What material are the scales made of?

Thanks!

Hi, MiniChamp. Blades, liners, rivets and spacer all are made of carbon steel, scales are from very good quality fiber. Riveting is really professional, it looks like factory made.

[jnoxyd]

For me this knife looks a bit strange. The mainblade is original, thats for sure.
But the scales, shackle, liners, pins not. Thats my opinion. If you compare the knife with the picture of the shown No 242k, you can see that the pin on the feet of the knife is more in the middle, where the original is more left; the middle pin is far more down to the feet.

I think long time ago, someone brought the knife to a knifemaker for repair because of a broken mainblade. He changed it and used a blade he had, a Victoria blade. Such things were pretty common those days. Because everything was handmade and hand adjusted, so no problem for a knifemaker. The blade is from around 1910, so really old.

Thanks for the answer, Wengercollector. I think you are right, it looks like this is what you said, it explains the protruding spring.
I just would like to compare this knife with another 84mm from this time period (my picture above is from late 1940s catalog)

[cody6268]

I already had to use this photo on another board, to help a guy ID his knife.

Mid 1970s Craftsman. Couple years back, I went on a camping trip. SInce the Craftsman was in really rough shape, I put it in my tackle box, and a Fireman on my belt. Ended up carrying and using the Craftsman, gave the Fireman's sheath away (it was a 1980s Browning sheath, to which my friend owned the knife; but his sheath had been lost years ago), and kept the Fireman in my bag.   

The problems: saw is bent; scale tools are non original (came from Artisan Vic repaired), and the scissors rub badly against the liners. Vic will straighten it out and make this knife better to use, I'm sure.

[MiniChamp]

Hi, MiniChamp. Blades, liners, rivets and spacer all are made of carbon steel, scales are from very good quality fiber. Riveting is really professional, it looks like factory made.

Thanks for the info, Jnoxyd! 

I just would like to compare this knife with another 84mm from this time period (my picture above is from late 1940s catalog)

I'm not sure what information you are looking for, but I looked at the three fiber-scaled tourists in the attached image, which I believe to be from the relevant time period. I tend to believe that the one on the right is from the 1910's, the one on the center from the 1920's and the one on the left from the 1930's.

The thickness of the springs on such SAKs cannot be measured precisely like on your knife, but I tried to estimate it by placing a caliper very close to the springs. As far as I can tell, the dimensions of the blades layer spring are roughly the same on all three. The thickness of the thinner side of the spring seems to be about 2.3mm (like on your knife), while the thickness of thicker side seems to be about 3.3mm, namely, a little more than on your knife.

The liners and spacers of all three are made of brass, as are the rivets of the (stainless steel) tourist on the center. The rivets of the other two tourists are made of carbon steel (like their blades and springs).

I don't know if such a comparison is what you had in mind or that you were looking to compare with a model 242k, but I should point out that I don't know if Victorinox made model 242k SAKs at any time before the 1940's. The earliest known catalog that has the model 242k (or any corkscrew-less officer's knife for that matter) is the late-1940's catalog from which you took the image and while I did indeed see such model 242k SAKs from the late 1940's, I don't recall seeing earlier ones.

[jnoxyd]

Thank you very much, MiniChamp! Nice knives, especially right one As Wengercollector said rivets layout on my knife is different from your original Elsener made ones and scales are another shape too.

[M0rkoni]

Victoria Huntsman

[Barry Rowland]

Beautiful!

[M0rkoni]

Thanks Barry...
In my book all the ones (horn, pearl, celidor, fiber etc.) with exposed rivets are simply 

[TonySal]

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Thanks Barry...
In my book all the ones (horn, pearl, celidor, fiber etc.) with exposed rivets are simply 

     

[kamakiri]

Victoria Huntsman

Nice horn scales M0rkoni! 

Looks like late 60's to '71 to me...Does anybody know when horn scales stopped getting exposed rivets?

My latest exposed rivet horn scale is also '68 to pre- '71.5 +PAT and my earliest hidden rivet is c. late'76/early '77.

[M0rkoni]

VICTORIA Execitive

[Reinier]

Sweet!

[M0rkoni]

Sweet!

Thanks buddy! 

I know that you are a big fun of the horn ones, me too...

[Rapidray]

Victoria Huntsman

beautiful for sure! 

[Rapidray]

VICTORIA Execitive

and another! Very nice. 

[kamakiri]

VICTORIA Execitive

 

Wish I had one like that or with the fine serrations on the peeler.

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Added this older Golfer today. 

[jnoxyd]

Added this older Golfer today. 
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Very nice FB!

[M0rkoni]

Added this older Golfer today. 
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[FolderBeholder]

Thank you jnoxyd and M0rkoni.   
I wish it had the original box, but sometimes I have to buy something that I don't have in my collection and hope for a boxed one to come along later.

[VICMAN]

Added this older Golfer today. 

Great find FB!

[VoetSak]

Couple of recent finds.

[FolderBeholder]

Great find FB!

Thank you Vicman! 

Couple of recent finds.

[Huntsman]

Lovely finds FB and VS - Especially that old Golfer - ARMEE SUISSE - Yay

Hey did anyone notice/know that the accent goes the wrong way on the E.

Very interesting lettering/logos on both SAKs