No-nick metal file on Motorist. It was mentioned by Jazzbass recently as “short lived prod change” I like this “tip opening” for metal file.(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
No-nick metal file on Motorist. It was mentioned by Jazzbass recently as “short lived prod change” I like this “tip opening” for metal file.
One of my latest, I think it is an older Tourist. Victoria on back tang.
One of my latest, I think it is an older Tourist. Victoria on back tang.(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
What do you think about blank main blade stamp on 1950s knives? This Huntsman LNF has VSS front side stamp and blank back one. Wood saw has 27 teeth and nail nick.
What do you think about blank main blade stamp on 1950s knives? This Huntsman LNF has VSS front side stamp and blank back one. Wood saw has 27 teeth and nail nick. (Image removed from quote.)Here's it together with other 1950s knives.(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
Quote from: jnoxyd on October 04, 2019, 08:45:12 PMWhat do you think about blank main blade stamp on 1950s knives? This Huntsman LNF has VSS front side stamp and blank back one. Wood saw has 27 teeth and nail nick. Seems to be a short-lived stamp used either concurrently with the early Armee Suisse models or in a short transition time between the "Armee Suisse/VaSS" stamps and the "VSS/VO" stamps. Definitely the shortest lived and hardest to find of the stamps in this era. I personally think they're a transition stamp as you do see some with the "US PAT PEND" can opener. Dates the knife to the beginning of the early vintage era, say 1953 or so.
The progression of stamps in the early vintage (EVNT) era from 1951-1957 seems to go:1. Armee Suisse/Victoria Switzerland Stainless2. Victoria Switzerland Stainless3. [Large] Victorinox Switzerland Stainless/Victoria Officier4. [Small] Victorinox Switzerland Stainless/Victoria Officier5. Victorinox Switzerland Stainless Rostfrei/Victoria Officier SuisseStamps #3 and #4 make of the bulk of the knives from this era. #5 is really the stamp they started using with the mid-vintage hidden rivet knives in 1957/58, with a bit of over lap in both directions.
I'm a little confused here. I have seen this stamp on earlier SAKs.
The earliest being a fiber-scaled SAK that was shown by Jnoxyd in the "Evolution of wood saws" thread. (It's the second from the top in the following two images; more images of it can be seen in the original posts by Jnoxyd.)It also occurs on SAKs with the crab-claw can opener.
Interesting. Can you explain what are the differences between #3 and #4? Thanks!
For this thread I was really just addressing when it shows up in the early vintage 1951-1957 knives.
The fiber scale knife I suspect is a repair using a blade from the late 40s.
How about a picture - Large VxSS/VO on top, two versions of the Small VxSS/VO on bottom.
kamakiri :I am wondering how the machining on your Huntsman's can opener compares to the US.PAT.PEND versions...or any other 'construction' similarities they might have.
It looks very close to previous and past can openers just a bit less polished:(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
I don't have a changeover date stipulated for v2 +PAT stamps but it's on all the '57+ knives I own.
Here is one more SAK with the VaSS/blank stamp. A somewhat unusual Artisan. It has two (anodized) aluminum liners and three nickel-silver liners. Also, the can opener has no stamp.
Nice. I have pretty much that same knife (mixed up liners and everything). Mine has the US PAT PEND can opener.
Pretty much right at 1957, although there is the typical "random old/new part in a new/old knife" thing going on. Here's how I look at it. Lots of changes happen in the transition from the early vintage period knives (EVNT: new openers, exposed rivets, 1951-1957) and the mid vintage period (MVNT: large awl, hidden rivets, 1957-1961). The typical EVNT knife from the latter part of the period look like this Huntsman - Small VSS/VO main stamp, large +PAT:(Image removed from quote.) Then we switch to the MVNT period in 1957, where the typical knife from the early part of this period looks like this Huntsman - large awl, hidden rivets, large VSSR/VOS stamp on unpolished tang, and small +PAT. (Image removed from quote.)Statistically speaking, all of these changes seem to happen around the same time because the majority (80%+) of knives from these periods look like these two. However, because this is a production factory and not a mint or anything like that, production overalaps do occur. This is the first and probably most common one you see - EVNT knife with a typical MVNT main blade stamp. On all the knives I have and have seen in this configuration, the can opener is always a large +PAT:(Image removed from quote.)Next, you do see a fair number of MVNT knives with the small VSS/VO stamped main blades. The majority of this variant (about 75%) also have the large +PAT can opener, like this Master Craftsman:(Image removed from quote.)However, there are a small minority of knives that have the small +PAT in the MVNT knife with the older VSS/VO stamp, like this Climber Small:(Image removed from quote.)My assertion has always been that these changed happened more-or-less at the same time, with some of the usual variations at transition time as old parts were used up. All of the MVNT knives above with older main blade/can openers are from very early in the MVNT period judging byt other design factors (the pen blade separator, the saws on the certain models, and the main blade backspring).
Is this one considered large +PAT or small?(Image removed from quote.)
Interesting. I keep wondering if the lack of a stamp on my can opener is a singular production error or that maybe they made some of these can openers without any stamp before they even made them with the US PAT PEND stamp. Since there are US PAT PEND can openers on SAKs with all nickel-silver liners, I tend to believe that a production error is more likely.