How much does HE love the Swisstool?

Rodion · **Reply #30 on:** June 08, 2008, 09:46:06 AM

I agree, this has gone far enough. This thread is about Swisstool fetishing.

Dunc · **Reply #31 on:** June 08, 2008, 09:49:27 AM

Quote from: Rodion on June 08, 2008, 09:46:06 AM

I agree, this has gone far enough. This thread is about Swisstool fetishing.

Fair do's I think we should agree to disagree

Dunc

Dunc · **Reply #32 on:** June 08, 2008, 09:50:31 AM

I do agree its an interesting article though

Dunc

Benner · **Reply #33 on:** June 08, 2008, 11:40:46 PM

Quote from: Rodion on June 08, 2008, 09:46:06 AM

I agree, this has gone far enough. This thread is about Swisstool fetishing.

Every thread should be a swisstool fetish thread.

ringzero · **Reply #34 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:04:06 AM

Quote from: dunc5 on June 08, 2008, 08:20:45 AM

If you want to feel you have cleared things up then well done .

I feel you clarified your opinion, not me - as mine was clear all along.

Quote from: dunc5 on June 08, 2008, 08:20:45 AM

People should try and be as mentally prepared but to go about armed in this country is breaking the law . Are you suggesting we should all arm ourselves and break the law to deal with aggression by casual thugs or professional criminals.

I suggest that no one has any moral obligation to obey an immoral law.

I suggest laws that treat innocent civilians as if they were prison inmates are immoral laws.

I suggest laws that abridge the unalienable right of any human being to self defense are immoral laws.

I suggest laws that advantage brutal thugs and criminals over innocent civlians are immoral laws.

No doubt you'll disagree, but that's what I suggest.

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Benner · **Reply #35 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:07:24 AM

Immoral or not, it is still the law and if we want to stay out of trouble, these laws need to be obeyed. Even if they are ridiculous.

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #36 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:14:38 AM

Exactly, as much as I would dearly love to walk the street's ready to counter any threat to myself and other's, the laws are such that to do so would involve you spending an awful long time behind bars, watching other people raising your family

And let's face it, you WILL get caught, we are the most survailed nation on earth here in the UK

The law may well be an ass, but your a bigger one if you don't at least attempt to adhere to there silly and shortsighted law's

Sea Monster · **Reply #37 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:47:31 AM

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I suggest that no one has any moral obligation to obey an immoral law.

I suggest laws that treat innocent civilians as if they were prison inmates are immoral laws.

I suggest laws that abridge the unalienable right of any human being to self defense are immoral laws.

I suggest laws that advantage brutal thugs and criminals over innocent civlians are immoral laws.

My counter suggestions would get me banned.

Anyway, I can't say I've been in a great deal of fights, certainly not enough to warrant me making a website about them,

And the few I have been in I'm not sure I would have had the time to grab anything from my pocket, even to use as a weight, let alone anything else.

But, maybe I'm just not cool. If I was cool I'm sure I would have done something really neat.

Now, did someone promise pictures of Dunc's Swisstools?

Roadie · **Reply #38 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:49:57 AM

Quote from: Nomad on June 09, 2008, 12:47:31 AM

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Good to see you back Nomad

Benner · **Reply #39 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:50:51 AM

Yeah, good to see you mate.

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #40 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:51:16 AM

Long time, no see mate

Sea Monster · **Reply #41 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:51:37 AM

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Good to see you back Nomad

Thankee.

I'm on a brief hiatus from work.

Whee!

J-sews · **Reply #42 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:56:12 AM

Hey, its Nomad!

We was starting to wonder if the heat finally did you in man.

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #43 on:** June 09, 2008, 12:57:59 AM

Yeah Bob thought it was the heat, I figured it was a very wronged husband

Sea Monster · **Reply #44 on:** June 09, 2008, 01:01:30 AM

Wow, Fast Post Much.

Nah, nothing so glamorous as having my legs broke after eloping with an underground boss's moll.

Just a coma state induced by 70 hour a week job!

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #45 on:** June 09, 2008, 01:02:50 AM

Yep work's for chumps, I've been saying it all along

Sea Monster · **Reply #46 on:** June 09, 2008, 01:07:47 AM

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Yep work's for chumps, I've been saying it all along

Heh, You must have the same morale-boosting sticker as I have.

ducktapehero · **Reply #47 on:** June 09, 2008, 05:38:46 AM

Can you guys in the UK carry a cane?

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #48 on:** June 09, 2008, 10:57:02 AM

Quote from: Nomad on June 09, 2008, 01:07:47 AM

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Yep work's for chumps, I've been saying it all along

Heh, You must have the same morale-boosting sticker as I have.

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #49 on:** June 09, 2008, 10:58:21 AM

Quote from: ducktapehero on June 09, 2008, 05:38:46 AM

Can you guys in the UK carry a cane?

As far as I know yes, but you'd probably get into a load of trouble if you beat the snot out of someone, and your leg's/health was fine though.

ducktapehero · **Reply #50 on:** June 09, 2008, 04:16:27 PM

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As far as I know yes, but you'd probably get into a load of trouble if you beat the snot out of someone, and your leg's/health was fine though.

Oh ok. Maybe it's time to start telling the Dr your leg or back hurts so that way if the situation ever happens you've got it on record that you have a reason to carry it.

Rodion · **Reply #51 on:** June 09, 2008, 06:19:57 PM

To be honest, prevention of violent assaults is not only favorable, but is also much, much easier to do. Where I live right now, I often find myself in less than friendly company, yet not once* have I been harrassed. When in a "bad" hood, I walk slowly and make firm eye contact with every suspicious looking person. On the contrary, when I was younger, I used to "run" everywhere, leaving the impression of trying to run away and, consequently, been hustled every once in a while. It doesn't hurt knowing what to do if things go wrong (and showing it), as well as being a creepy Lurch.

*Once I realized in retrospect a bunch of guys wanted to rob me, but changed their minds. I just thought they needed something...

LatinoHeat · **Reply #52 on:** June 09, 2008, 08:55:11 PM

Wow. Entertaining thread we have hear.
I too read this article years ago, and found it very interesting. Alot of you are leaning one way or the other of the fence, but I think you guys are missing the point. He has no system crearted for his Multitool. His site give alot advice on a variety of tools/self defense implements. The point is, when it comes to self defense, a little ingenuity goes along way. Many blame the law or the system for not being able to defend ourselves, but the point of these articles is, ANYTHING we have on us can be a weapon. A knife is not a weapon. It is a tool. It is USED as a weapon, but it is a tool. Multitool? Bandana? Many of the things he advocates are not weapons. He's just getting people to think outsaide the box. As a self defense instructor for many years, I am not buying the whole "I live in Britain, where we can't carry ANYTHING for self defense." ethos. Sure you can. Keys? Bags? Belts/jackets, as others on here have pointed out, pens, pencils.... all things that canb be used in Self defense. A book, rolled up magazine, etc. I think the point of the articles is to think and use your noggin first.
Mall ninja? Made me think of the historical ninjas, and how they used WHATEVER they had on them to defend themselves, or help them secape, or whatever. They DID have weapons, like swords, knives, etc., but they also were unarmed during many missions, and used basic principals to use whatever was at hand. For example, you learn how to use a Kubaton, and you can use a pen, a rolled up newspaper, umbrella, etc. We are the ONLY ones responsible for our lives and for our safety. Now, as a self defense instructor, I also advocate running as a second option, awareness and avoidance as a first. However, if one absolutely HAS to angage oneself, then use that multitool if you can, or that pen, or those pointy cowboy boots or high heels if you are a woman. In a real life self defense situation, anything goes.
Good thread, though. Many classic lines and insightful thoughts. Tempers flaring, jokes being made..... a little bit of everything.

Leatherman123 · **Reply #53 on:** June 10, 2008, 01:58:46 AM

I agree Navajero!

Styerman · **Reply #54 on:** June 10, 2008, 03:13:02 AM

Don is a tad bit abrasive , however his stuff is spot on . Knowledge is neither good or evil in and of itself . How you apply it is up to you . I have spent a lot of time figuring out how to press neutral tools into service as field expedient weapons , and offer no apologies whatever . Look at it objectivley , thew hand can reassure , caress or maim - all pends on the user and the needs of the moment .

Chris