Quote from: Taxi Dad on May 20, 2014, 08:59:05 PMlol I got mine from second hand the 'Netherlands' Serena (or should I say "pre-owned'' or "loved by another member of MTO before me !")trust me they are great tools, the price is way to much IMO but comparable to LM etcgo on you know you want to I never should've sold that one Anyway, I got another one, with the serrated blade, and after missing it for too long, I love it even more!
lol I got mine from second hand the 'Netherlands' Serena (or should I say "pre-owned'' or "loved by another member of MTO before me !")trust me they are great tools, the price is way to much IMO but comparable to LM etcgo on you know you want to
Found it on Sakwiki. I want the Spirit X…
they sadly aren't as good on a spirit as the standard Victorinox scissors (as seen in the swisstool/SAKs) due to their limited opening.verdict on butterknife blade IMO is very nice and it wouldn't put me off the tool.
Folks here have covered it pretty well, but I'll emphasize two things:1. Leatherman quality control is spotty. Leatherman has everything made overseas and all they have to do is assemble the pieces, and they have problems even doing that right! And even when they get it right, it pales in comparison to Victorinox.2. Leathermans are very prone to rust due to their polish and quality of steel. Do a search and see the results. Here is one thread: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,50694.msg853225.html#msg853225Leathermans from the early 90s, and Leathermans made now, are two different creatures. I have an original Supertool that is still solid, rust free, and doing good service after 20 years of abuse. Too bad Leatherman doesn't make 'em that good anymore.
Damn, this makes me wanna buy a Spirit even more!!! But which one, with the knife or with scissors?
Quote from: shamus on May 25, 2014, 04:52:03 PMFolks here have covered it pretty well, but I'll emphasize two things:1. Leatherman quality control is spotty. Leatherman has everything made overseas and all they have to do is assemble the pieces, and they have problems even doing that right! And even when they get it right, it pales in comparison to Victorinox.2. Leathermans are very prone to rust due to their polish and quality of steel. Do a search and see the results. Here is one thread: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,50694.msg853225.html#msg853225Leathermans from the early 90s, and Leathermans made now, are two different creatures. I have an original Supertool that is still solid, rust free, and doing good service after 20 years of abuse. Too bad Leatherman doesn't make 'em that good anymore.That's just not true. Everything made overseas? No, just no. I've been to their factory, and took their tour. Most of their tools are made there, with few exceptions of parts."Quality of steel" is a ridiculous bit of misinformation, and they do not use lesser "quality" steel. They use steels that are not as stainless as what Vic uses, and finishes that aren't as polished. I haven't had rust issues with any of my Leatherman tools.Yes, this is the Swiss forum, and I myself am a huge fan of SAKs. However it's very bothersome that someone has to come into a thread here and defend LM against misinformation. Personally, I prefer LM multi-tools to the SwissTools. I've had a few, and am left with a couple Spirit RTs. Never use them. The plier head is really kind of a bummer. It's not that it has a little play, it's that every SwissTool I've had (2 SwissTools, 4 Spirits) have had floppy pliers. The wire cutters are just awful. They barely work. The scissors on the Spirit X are better for thinner wire.The knife blade on the Spirits are disappointing as well. I know it's a compact tool, but for its actual size, it's lame having a blade that I get in a 91mm SAK. The LM blades are larger, more robust, and in every case, arrive sharper out of the box than the SwissTools. 420HC is a very good steel, and the 154CM of the Charge AL is a great steel for what one would do with it. The Philips driver on the SwissTools is good, and I like it because it's essentially the same as what's on a SAK. However my Syph custom SAK gets more screwdriver use because the way the handles of the SwissTools flare out cause a really awkward driving experience. I don't get that with a Charge or Wave, or even the Rebar. The Rebar's (and the ST's) Philips driver is superior I think.LM, in my opinion, makes a better plier-based multi-tool. It's built more robustly, has better implements, and the warranty they provide is far and away superior to the service I've gotten from Vic. I sent in two Spirits for floppy pliers, and both times got back the exact same tool with no fix at all and no note explaining anything. Each time, I waiting two months. That's unacceptable to me personally (your own tolerances will certainly vary), and I've become accustomed to the quick, no-questions-asked service that I have always received from LM. Very obviously, I'm in the minority here. However that's what I feel, and what I've encountered. It's not right to lie about a company that makes great products and snub them for credit that they indeed deserve.
An interesting note regarding Leatherman / SwissTool:"The Victorinox SwissTool (with fold-out pliers and an assortment of blades, openers, and drivers thicker and stronger than on their pocketknives) was developed with the assistance of Tim Leatherman (who designed his much-copied folding-pliers tool after his rented FIAT “rucksack” broke down in Europe with no tools in the boot)."The Swiss Army Knife Owners' Manual
That's just not true. Everything made overseas? No, just no. I've been to their factory, and took their tour. Most of their tools are made there, with few exceptions of parts."Quality of steel" is a ridiculous bit of misinformation, and they do not use lesser "quality" steel. They use steels that are not as stainless as what Vic uses, and finishes that aren't as polished. I haven't had rust issues with any of my Leatherman tools.Yes, this is the Swiss forum, and I myself am a huge fan of SAKs. However it's very bothersome that someone has to come into a thread here and defend LM against misinformation. Personally, I prefer LM multi-tools to the SwissTools. I've had a few, and am left with a couple Spirit RTs. Never use them. The plier head is really kind of a bummer. It's not that it has a little play, it's that every SwissTool I've had (2 SwissTools, 4 Spirits) have had floppy pliers. The wire cutters are just awful. They barely work. The scissors on the Spirit X are better for thinner wire.The knife blade on the Spirits are disappointing as well. I know it's a compact tool, but for its actual size, it's lame having a blade that I get in a 91mm SAK. The LM blades are larger, more robust, and in every case, arrive sharper out of the box than the SwissTools. 420HC is a very good steel, and the 154CM of the Charge AL is a great steel for what one would do with it. The Philips driver on the SwissTools is good, and I like it because it's essentially the same as what's on a SAK. However my Syph custom SAK gets more screwdriver use because the way the handles of the SwissTools flare out cause a really awkward driving experience. I don't get that with a Charge or Wave, or even the Rebar. The Rebar's (and the ST's) Philips driver is superior I think.LM, in my opinion, makes a better plier-based multi-tool. It's built more robustly, has better implements, and the warranty they provide is far and away superior to the service I've gotten from Vic. I sent in two Spirits for floppy pliers, and both times got back the exact same tool with no fix at all and no note explaining anything. Each time, I waiting two months. That's unacceptable to me personally (your own tolerances will certainly vary), and I've become accustomed to the quick, no-questions-asked service that I have always received from LM. Very obviously, I'm in the minority here. However that's what I feel, and what I've encountered. It's not right to lie about a company that makes great products and snub them for credit that they indeed deserve.