Quote from: jekostas on November 20, 2014, 06:15:00 AMIf you're in an area or a profession that necessitates you carrying something for self defense, a gun, baton or a good weighty flashlight are substantially more effective. With proper training, of course.I agree, partly.But not the gun - in fact it is a really poor self defense tool. It just has a good lobby from the gun-loving parts of a society.It´s good to have in a region where wild and potential dangerous animals live - if it has enough stopping power for them.And it may also be mostly OK to try to defend your home from intruders - IF you heard them first, then had the time to pick your gun, and so on and so on, .....But other than such a scenario ....... it needs a pretty dumb thug to start screaming "i kill you if you don´t ..." at a distance that gives you enough time to pull your comfy concealed weapon and bring it to action soon enough.
If you're in an area or a profession that necessitates you carrying something for self defense, a gun, baton or a good weighty flashlight are substantially more effective. With proper training, of course.
Perhaps surprisingly, the evidence does not indicate that having a gun reduces the risk of being a victim of a crime or that having a gun reduces the risk of injury during the commission of a crime.
No, a gun is not good for self-defense in your home. The risks by far outweigh the potential benefits (Hemenway, American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine).QuotePerhaps surprisingly, the evidence does not indicate that having a gun reduces the risk of being a victim of a crime or that having a gun reduces the risk of injury during the commission of a crime.also:Method of Resistance (Likelihood of injury)Running away (most successful, sadly no number provided)Calling the police or a guard (0.9%)Pulling a gun (2.5% only slightly better than)Yelling (2.7%)These are all numbers from the USA
Quote from: Lichtbote on November 20, 2014, 12:12:43 PMQuote from: jekostas on November 20, 2014, 06:15:00 AMIf you're in an area or a profession that necessitates you carrying something for self defense, a gun, baton or a good weighty flashlight are substantially more effective. With proper training, of course.I agree, partly.But not the gun - in fact it is a really poor self defense tool. It just has a good lobby from the gun-loving parts of a society.It´s good to have in a region where wild and potential dangerous animals live - if it has enough stopping power for them.And it may also be mostly OK to try to defend your home from intruders - IF you heard them first, then had the time to pick your gun, and so on and so on, .....But other than such a scenario ....... it needs a pretty dumb thug to start screaming "i kill you if you don´t ..." at a distance that gives you enough time to pull your comfy concealed weapon and bring it to action soon enough.No, a gun is not good for self-defense in your home. The risks by far outweigh the potential benefits (Hemenway, American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine).QuotePerhaps surprisingly, the evidence does not indicate that having a gun reduces the risk of being a victim of a crime or that having a gun reduces the risk of injury during the commission of a crime.also:Method of Resistance (Likelihood of injury)Running away (most successful, sadly no number provided)Calling the police or a guard (0.9%)Pulling a gun (2.5% only slightly better than)Yelling (2.7%)These are all numbers from the USA
will you actually use it and are you willing to deal with the consequences?
Quote from: Etherealicer on November 20, 2014, 12:58:56 PMQuote from: Lichtbote on November 20, 2014, 12:12:43 PMQuote from: jekostas on November 20, 2014, 06:15:00 AMIf you're in an area or a profession that necessitates you carrying something for self defense, a gun, baton or a good weighty flashlight are substantially more effective. With proper training, of course.I agree, partly.But not the gun - in fact it is a really poor self defense tool. It just has a good lobby from the gun-loving parts of a society.It´s good to have in a region where wild and potential dangerous animals live - if it has enough stopping power for them.And it may also be mostly OK to try to defend your home from intruders - IF you heard them first, then had the time to pick your gun, and so on and so on, .....But other than such a scenario ....... it needs a pretty dumb thug to start screaming "i kill you if you don´t ..." at a distance that gives you enough time to pull your comfy concealed weapon and bring it to action soon enough.No, a gun is not good for self-defense in your home. The risks by far outweigh the potential benefits (Hemenway, American Journal of Lifestyle Medicine).QuotePerhaps surprisingly, the evidence does not indicate that having a gun reduces the risk of being a victim of a crime or that having a gun reduces the risk of injury during the commission of a crime.also:Method of Resistance (Likelihood of injury)Running away (most successful, sadly no number provided)Calling the police or a guard (0.9%)Pulling a gun (2.5% only slightly better than)Yelling (2.7%)These are all numbers from the USAHell, we can quote numbers all day long........I do know from experience, that a gun is good for home defence. Luckly and thank god I have not had to shoot someone.
It´s not that i don´t believe your intention to defend. It´s more that i don´t believe "you" (or others) are capable of doing it effectively in reality.
With years of battle reenactment and simulated combats with LEO, anyone try to break in Kampfer's bunker would be terribly sorry and be greet with a storm of 7.62x39mm.
I understand what you are saying and while in some situations you described the criminal will probably have the jump on you and you will be screwed. I only see these situations being a small percentage of how a attack could actually happen. Addressing the capability to defend ones self. It seems as though you personally could not since you do not believe others are capable making me believe you, yourself do not feel capable. I think it would be correct to say some may not be capable to defend themselves, but I would think the majority would fight back in a life or death situation. This is not a shot at you in any way. Just my opinion.
Quote from: captain spaulding on November 20, 2014, 08:50:31 PMI understand what you are saying and while in some situations you described the criminal will probably have the jump on you and you will be screwed. I only see these situations being a small percentage of how a attack could actually happen. Addressing the capability to defend ones self. It seems as though you personally could not since you do not believe others are capable making me believe you, yourself do not feel capable. I think it would be correct to say some may not be capable to defend themselves, but I would think the majority would fight back in a life or death situation. This is not a shot at you in any way. Just my opinion.Not taken as a shot on me. The difference may be that i have been trained, so i know what i´m capable to, at what circumstances a effective defense is doable (or at least have a chance good enough to try). I´ve been no rangeshooting couchwarrior.Other than you i think the percentage where it really could be used with a good chance to success are really small. A gun in the hand of a civilist often only gives him a wrong feeling of safety, which unfortunately leads often to wrong decisions. That´s the real danger, Joe Sixpack trying to be John Rambo when it would be better to try to be Justin Gatlin.
Are you saying someone shoots in defense when they should not or are you saying someone would try to pull a firearm when they are already "compromised" and getting themselves hurt?
gives him a wrong feeling of safety, which unfortunately leads often to wrong decisions. That´s the real danger, Joe Sixpack trying to be John Rambo when it would be better to try to be Justin Gatlin.
Now you have me confused. Someone within feet of you with a gun pointed at you and you want to run! They would just shoot you in the back. I do agree if you get caught on the street and they get the jump on you the best option in most situations would be to give them what they want.
I'm sorry, but around here if someone breaks into your house they are getting shot. Trying to get the family and flee is not really a viable option unless you have a huge house or your house layout would accommodate it. This is even more apparent if you live in a two story house as most of the bedrooms are upstairs and if someone kicks in the door while you are upstairs or sleeping their is no way I am going to try and get the family down the stairs and past them. That is just putting them in more harm in my opinion.
Quote from: captain spaulding on November 20, 2014, 11:38:07 PMNow you have me confused. Someone within feet of you with a gun pointed at you and you want to run! They would just shoot you in the back. I do agree if you get caught on the street and they get the jump on you the best option in most situations would be to give them what they want. In that situation running would be as stupid as pulling a knife or gun. Give them what they want and hope they will leavo, or someone else sees it and calls the police. Just don´t make them nerveous, as most are no trained killers and already are under pressure with that situation. I´m talking on that situations were someone would be able to flee, and let the agressor have what they can grab. But due to being armed some are being overconfident and starting a action they can´t handle, for just some stupid goods (as they could have been in safety when leaving the scene). "Only a fool will fight inside a burning house", as the Klingons say. Quote from: captain spaulding on November 20, 2014, 11:38:07 PMI'm sorry, but around here if someone breaks into your house they are getting shot. Trying to get the family and flee is not really a viable option unless you have a huge house or your house layout would accommodate it. This is even more apparent if you live in a two story house as most of the bedrooms are upstairs and if someone kicks in the door while you are upstairs or sleeping their is no way I am going to try and get the family down the stairs and past them. That is just putting them in more harm in my opinion.If they are loud enough to wake you up, and you have no way out - sure, try to safe your ass the best you can.But most don´t want any attraction, they try to sneak in and out without being loud.
I think that in switzerland, like here too, you keep your army gun at home, right?In theory you are likely to be met with a semi-automatic rifle if you go in a swiss man's home.I find it interesting that in countries where most houses have army guns and shotguns you have less problems with gun crimes than in other countries where it is in theory harder to get a big gun.
A few years back I was reading a statistic about homicides involving guns. The country with most of them was the USA, followed by Switzerland in second place. I can't verify that though.
I did want to say auto... I was not aware that you do not have Ammo. That does delay the responce to an emergency a bit, as you will need to go to a meeting place to get the ammo first, and if that place happens to be bombed or hard to reach you can not begin fighting.