Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.
Did you miss your activation email?

Login with username, password and session length
+-

Hello Lurker! Remove this ad by logging in.


Dumb axe question incoming 1698

Jr. Member Posts: 54
Dumb axe question incoming
« on: July 06, 2014, 06:47:15 PM »
Alright I've been using axes most of my life but just recently actually got into the tools. So here's my question, what's the benefit of a double bit axe? I've always used them to split wood but that's it, is that the actual planned usage? Also it seems that you lose some versatility having two bits instead of one and a poll that can be used for multiple other things. There's that thanks in advance for any input.
Oh and first post in this forum :p


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ



Using Tapatalk
Chief of the Absolutely No Life Club! Abandon all hope ye who enter here... Posts: 43,126 Why haven't you got a Farmer yet!
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2014, 06:56:15 PM »
Usually they have different grinds, one for splitting, one for chopping :)



Sent from the astropathic choir.


Give in, buy several Farmer's!!!!!!
Global Moderator Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 8,972 SAK Surgeon
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2014, 06:59:03 PM »
Usually they have different grinds, one for splitting, one for chopping :)



Sent from the astropathic choir.

Ah that makes sense.  The only one I ever had was a double bit felling axe.  I figured it was just so you could chop twice as long before having to resharpen.

PM me or email sakmodder [at] gmail . com if you are looking for custom SAK work.

Modding thread : Here
Website : WWW.SAKModder.com 
Facebook : SAKModder
Instagram : robertjlessard
Chief of the Absolutely No Life Club! Abandon all hope ye who enter here... Posts: 43,126 Why haven't you got a Farmer yet!
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2014, 07:03:37 PM »
I'm sure that was a large part of it when the steels where inferior to the ones of today :)

Sent from the astropathic choir.


Give in, buy several Farmer's!!!!!!
Jr. Member Posts: 54
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2014, 07:06:38 PM »



Ah that makes sense.  The only one I ever had was a double bit felling axe.  I figured it was just so you could chop twice as long before having to resharpen.
[/quote]
That makes sense^


ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Using Tapatalk
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 10,281
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2014, 09:01:03 PM »

I've read that they used to have one side sharpened for felling and one side for rough work like cutting roots,  :salute:

Everything’s adjustable
Wielder of the Bow of Banishment. Admin Team Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 29,398 El Presidente del Fan Club Micky D
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2014, 11:22:56 AM »

I've read that they used to have one side sharpened for felling and one side for rough work like cutting roots,  :salute:

that's been my understanding as well, but I admit I'm no expert either. :)

Wielder of the Bow of Banishment. Admin Team Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 29,398 El Presidente del Fan Club Micky D
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2014, 12:39:57 PM »
Not that this adds anything to the answer, but I just came across this old picture of double bit axes in use and I thought I'd share. :)


Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,250
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2014, 01:20:54 PM »

Not that this adds anything to the answer, but I just came across this old picture of double bit axes in use and I thought I'd share. :)

(Image removed from quote.)

Imagine felling such a huge tree using only axes. It must have taken days!


Sent from a device made from star dust using tapatalk

-Knívleysur maður er lívleysur maður.
 "A Knifeless man is a lifeless man" old Faroese proverb.
Chief of the Absolutely No Life Club! Abandon all hope ye who enter here... Posts: 43,126 Why haven't you got a Farmer yet!
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2014, 01:26:41 PM »
Men certainly were men back then! :)

Sent from the astropathic choir.


Give in, buy several Farmer's!!!!!!
No Life Club Posts: 2,795 Still has a SOGgy feeling

yud us

****** *
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2016, 05:50:22 PM »
My understanding was that it was for balance.



Just another weirdo with a beard :B:

Knight of the SOSAK and Defender of the sacred nail file
Hero Member Posts: 982
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2016, 07:07:18 PM »
Men certainly were men back then! :)

Sent from the astropathic choir.

They did a study on the calorie intake of Swedish lumberjacks where they had old lists of provisions for camps as well as the number of men etc. I think they found it to be around 8000 kcal, that's four days worth of energy for an "average man" today. Crazy!
Global Moderator Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 30,609
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2016, 07:22:29 PM »
Men certainly were men back then! :)

Sent from the astropathic choir.

They did a study on the calorie intake of Swedish lumberjacks where they had old lists of provisions for camps as well as the number of men etc. I think they found it to be around 8000 kcal, that's four days worth of energy for an "average man" today. Crazy!

 :o

If I ate that much now I would have to be rolled around everywhere instead of walking :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :D

Sr. Member Posts: 460
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #13 on: December 07, 2016, 08:31:18 AM »
8000cal.....
Well axe work ranks up with swimming and cross country ski as the hightest calorie burning activities.

As for the double bit;
I was told as said before the two sides had diffrent grinds. One for felling, one for roots and trail cutting to haul the trees out.

I used to be a lot of things, and someday will again.
But for now I'm just a lost jack of trades with neither mastery nor home. ~NoaIsumi
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 10,281
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #14 on: December 07, 2016, 09:38:16 PM »



 :D

Everything’s adjustable
Global Moderator Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 30,609
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #15 on: December 08, 2016, 04:36:59 AM »
8000cal.....
Well axe work ranks up with swimming and cross country ski as the hightest calorie burning activities.

As for the double bit;
I was told as said before the two sides had diffrent grinds. One for felling, one for roots and trail cutting to haul the trees out.

I have heard that about the double bit axes as well :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Global Moderator Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 30,609
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2016, 04:37:24 AM »

Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 10,281
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #17 on: December 08, 2016, 09:05:24 AM »

 :salute:
That was a good day  :cheers:

Everything’s adjustable
Newbie Posts: 7 Tools are extensions of ourselves... share a tool.
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #18 on: January 02, 2017, 07:22:25 AM »
Something else to consider with each blade having a separate grind is that tree bark carries a lot of dirt. So by having a "sacrificial" edge, without having to bring two axes with you out of the logging camp to the work site, allows the logger to save his good/sharp felling edge for the clean interior wood...

Peace, Rooster

"They talk about creating millions of "shovel ready" jobs, for a society that doesn't encourage anyone to pick up a shovel."  ... Mike Rowe
Full Member Posts: 198
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2017, 08:34:15 AM »
Coz it looks wicked! Duh!  😝

But yeah I heard that each bit had a different grind for splitting and felling. Respect for anyone that would handle a double edge tool. I've handled single bit/edge axes and machetes and I would probably split my forehead with the 2nd edge.
Wielder of the Bow of Banishment. Admin Team Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 29,398 El Presidente del Fan Club Micky D
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2017, 11:35:05 AM »
Something else to consider with each blade having a separate grind is that tree bark carries a lot of dirt. So by having a "sacrificial" edge, without having to bring two axes with you out of the logging camp to the work site, allows the logger to save his good/sharp felling edge for the clean interior wood...

Peace, Rooster

That's a very interesting point.  I'd not heard of or thought about that, but it makes a lot of sense. :salute:

Sr. Member Posts: 460
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #21 on: January 04, 2017, 11:04:37 AM »
Funny you should mention machetes.
I remember watching a video of someone talking about their Amazon trip and how a custom machete they had preformed. One of the things discussed is that in the region he went to the blade was ground different at various points along its edge for different tasks. The guides however called the custom a "wood cutters" grind as it was knife sharp its entire length, and didn't like it. The phrase 'wood cutters" apparently a reference to the outside workmen who didn't actually live in the jungle, or rely on their blade for everything. The native guides were used to an obtuse angle at the front for chopping and splitting with a sharp base for carving, also allowing the tip to be gripped for use as a draw shave. That is IF I remember their grind preferences correctly, it been a while since I watched it.
You also see similar notation in the SAS Survival Handbook by Wiseman when he discusses the use and grinds of a parang.
I have heard of similar multi grinds on the galok and kukri, but have no point of refrence for those. My Kukri are all machete type and ground even from factory.

Sorry for the slight side track but we seem to be talking about multi edge wood cutting tools here so it seemed moderately related.
« Last Edit: January 04, 2017, 12:03:41 PM by Noa Isumi »

I used to be a lot of things, and someday will again.
But for now I'm just a lost jack of trades with neither mastery nor home. ~NoaIsumi
Wielder of the Bow of Banishment. Admin Team Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 29,398 El Presidente del Fan Club Micky D
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #22 on: January 04, 2017, 12:08:46 PM »
Very interesting thought Noa.  It certainly makes sense to me. :)

No Life Club Posts: 1,877
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #23 on: January 04, 2017, 01:17:33 PM »
+1

That actually makes perfect sense  :think:

Made me wonder about my big knife, I married the blade of the TOPS DART with the handle of the TOPS TFK, and the DART progresses from a saber grind to almost full flat grind in the front.
Assuming you could get a FFG sharper and a saber grind is stronger, it might be a knife not a machete, but my use of it is exactly like they describe, chop with the front and cut with the rear....
Interesting  :think:

 :tu:
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 10,281
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #24 on: January 04, 2017, 08:48:31 PM »
Reminds me of this  :tu:

Lofty At 2.40


And that reminds me of something  ;)



Everything’s adjustable
Global Moderator Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 30,609
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2017, 11:04:32 PM »
Great discussion guys  :o I am learning lots in here :cheers:

Great pics and link as well :cheers: :cheers: :like:

Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 13,733 I'm not a pessimist, I'm an experienced optimist!
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2017, 11:22:34 PM »
I find the greatest benefit of the double bit axe is avoiding rebound.

If I borrow one of Sparky Bloke's axes at a UK meet and the head isn't 100% secure, using a double bit head will ensure that if the head comes loose and flies off, there's a much higher chance of it sticking into Kirky rather than bouncing back and hitting me.

Safety first! :2tu:

 :D

Most Used Victorinox: - Climber Small, Alox Rambler, 70s Outdoorsman, CT41, Spirit X, + mods
Most Used Wenger: - Various Travellers, Pocket Tool Chest, + mods
Most Used Gerber: - Balance, Dime, + mods
Most Used Leatherman: Sideclip, Anniversary Wave, + mods
Current Mods (in use): MP426, Fuse-ilier, DEsTroyer, The PUG, Mega84, The Sheepsfoot Duke, TurboDiesel, Neutered Octane, Brian

***NEW "FOR SALE" THREAD COMING SOON***
Wielder of the Bow of Banishment. Admin Team Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 29,398 El Presidente del Fan Club Micky D
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2017, 12:58:03 AM »
I find the greatest benefit of the double bit axe is avoiding rebound.

If I borrow one of Sparky Bloke's axes at a UK meet and the head isn't 100% secure, using a double bit head will ensure that if the head comes loose and flies off, there's a much higher chance of it sticking into Kirky rather than bouncing back and hitting me.

Safety first! :2tu:

 :D

I feel marginally better knowing you're aiming at Kirky rather than me. :D

Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 13,733 I'm not a pessimist, I'm an experienced optimist!
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2017, 01:38:22 AM »
He tends to be sat down more, you move about too much  :D

Most Used Victorinox: - Climber Small, Alox Rambler, 70s Outdoorsman, CT41, Spirit X, + mods
Most Used Wenger: - Various Travellers, Pocket Tool Chest, + mods
Most Used Gerber: - Balance, Dime, + mods
Most Used Leatherman: Sideclip, Anniversary Wave, + mods
Current Mods (in use): MP426, Fuse-ilier, DEsTroyer, The PUG, Mega84, The Sheepsfoot Duke, TurboDiesel, Neutered Octane, Brian

***NEW "FOR SALE" THREAD COMING SOON***
No Life Club Posts: 1,149
Re: Dumb axe question incoming
« Reply #29 on: January 05, 2017, 02:55:13 AM »
Coz it looks wicked! Duh!  😝

But yeah I heard that each bit had a different grind for splitting and felling. Respect for anyone that would handle a double edge tool. I've handled single bit/edge axes and machetes and I would probably split my forehead with the 2nd edge.

My grandfather was killing a chicken as a kid, and actually hit his brother, who was standing behind him, with the second edge.   

I've got an old Kelly, but since it's over 100 years old, it doesn't get brought out much.

 

Operational Funds

Keep the Unworkable working! Donate with PayPal!
June Goal: $275.00
Due Date: Jun 30
Total Receipts: $559.65
PayPal Fees: $32.97
Net Balance: $526.68
Above Goal: $251.68
Site Currency: USD
192% 
June Donations

Community Links

Powered by EzPortal
© 2017 Defender Web & Tool