If you are on the fence about either of these great FULL SIZE tools then let me offer this advice. If you will only carry one tool then the Surge is hands down the best choice. If you carry other tools on you then the Super Tool 300 is your best bet.
I've never quite understood why LM hasn't opted to switch to the outside opening format of the Swiss Tool? I think the Swiss Tool proved the format, and the ST400 would be more awesome because of it....
Quote from: s2mason on August 03, 2014, 07:28:32 PMI've never quite understood why LM hasn't opted to switch to the outside opening format of the Swiss Tool? I think the Swiss Tool proved the format, and the ST400 would be more awesome because of it.... Probably some patent rights. Victorinox only started making the Swisstools after getting the rights to do so from Bear and Sons if I remember correctly. And the LM OHT with sliding pliers also only came to market a few months after Gerber's patent on those ran out.
Core but not ST300?
they all use the same pivots anyway, so I think it's down to ergonomics for the user
and just stuck it in the back of a cupboard to mostly be forgotten about
Quote from: 50ft-trad on August 03, 2014, 07:59:59 PMand just stuck it in the back of a cupboard to mostly be forgotten about Oi, that's not very nice
Quote from: 50ft-trad on August 03, 2014, 07:59:59 PMthey all use the same pivots anyway, so I think it's down to ergonomics for the userDo they now? I'm going to have to investigate this. Maybe I can make my Rebar EOD after all.
I've been thinking about getting myself a Surge for a long, looong time and I always end up not buying it. I will try to write down the different steps that go on in my head when I think about the Surge ...Here's how it begins:- I see a picture of the Surge on this site called MTO and think "wow, that's a great looking tool".Then I will start to make up reasons why I would need the Surge instead of my ST300:- "those scissors look awesome, no need to carry a SAK while carrying a Surge ..."- "those OHO knives look awesome, what if I get in a situation where I need a OHO knife ..."- "the bit holder with extra bits looks awesome, what if I get in a situation where I need a special screwdriver type ..."So, I'm of to the shop to check out the Surge in real life, once I'm there these thoughts start to kick in:- "Those Scissors look strong, but when I leave my SAK at home I won't have tweezers/mag glass/a swiss style can opener ..."- "those OHO knives look quite threatening, are those legal to carry when I'm on vacation in ..."- "that bit holder looks very short and wide, what if there's a phillips screw that I can't reach ..."So, I go home empty handed, get in front of the computer and visit this site called MTO, where I see this awesome picture of a Surge ...
But I do like how sturdy surge and wave 's frames are comparing to st300 n rebar when using screw driver.