firearms

[Lynn LeFey]

And that's why it's nice to have a .22.

Hubby and I both have 9mm for CCW, and I know all too well that feeling like I'm standing on the firing line, throwing fists full of money at the target.

Maybe shooting quarters from a slingshot would work better.

And then I hear about what some of the larger pistol calibers or rifle cartridges cost.

So... yeah. .22, then 9mm. I'll pass on anything else. And, I'm too lazy to reload.

[matzesu]

As a german who never will get firearms due to the german weapon law and ditnt have clue about this whole caliber thing:
Why are some Ammo called 9mm and some .22 ??
Dotnt need to spend money for Ammo, which means more Money for Swiss Army Knifes

[Lynn LeFey]

Most ammo is given its name based on the diameter of the bullet. Some are in 'Caliber', which is a decimal fraction of an inch, and some are given in metric. So, a .22 is 0.22 inches. Whereas a 9mm is... well... 9mm.

That's the most simple explanation, but there are tons of exceptions. If there's a second number, for instance 5.56x45, then the second number is the length of the cartridge's casing.

Generally, that covers it... unless you get something like the 30-06, where the 30 is diameter, and the 06 is the year it was adopted.

And, then it gets weird and... just...
 

But this should give you a basic idea.

[matzesu]

Thangs a lot for the explanation,
Think i will bee at the Swiss Army Knifes,
Because a Fire Arm Only can Shoot Bullets and makes loud noises
It cant open my Bottles, or can be used to drive Screws..
Ore are there "Multiguns" out there ??

[HarleyXJGuy]

9mm?

You mean .38 Short right? 

[ducttapetech]

Yes. Some guns you can drive tacks.

Nate

[matzesu]

You can also use a Tank to drive to the Market
The Cannon on this Tank is also something like a big gun..
You can also open some cans whit a Tank..
So a Tank is a multifunktions gun..
Do you have a Bottle Opener or a Corkscreew on your Gun??

But well, Germany isnt the USA or other Countrys which are gunfriendly, whe somethimes a bit diverent..
Fire Arms are normal for you, whe only abble to shoot Slingshots until whe dotnt have a License (whit which its also just alowed to shoot a shootingranges and the guns have to carry in a Lookable Bag to this Shootingrange..)..

When there is a Zombie Apocalypse in near Future, whe Germans are Doomed ...

[Chako]

It is the same here in Canada, even though it always amazes me just how many firearms we do have per population.

If you look here,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Canada is ranked 12th, Germany is 14th, and of course the US is 1st. Surprisingly, or not that surprisingly, the UK is ranked 88th.

The vast majority of firearms in Canada are of the hunting rifle or shotgun. Either way, Canadians need to pass a safety course and a hunting course to get your PAL (which allows purchase of long guns), and the hunting course gets you your hunting licence. The PAL allows you access to non-restricted firearms.

To get into pistols, which are mostly labeled restricted, you also need to take a restricted safety course. In Canada, you need an ATT (authorization to transport) from the chief firearms officer of the province if you need to transport any restricted firearm. If you buy a restricted firearm from a gun shop, then the gun shop will calle the RCMP and get an ATT which will allow the buyer to transport the restricted firearm from the shop to the home. In Canada, you can't hunt with a pistol. They are strictly target at a range things, or you can collect them I suppose. Therefore, once you belong to a range, the gun club will fill out the paperwork and get an ATT that will allow you to transport your restricted firearm back and forth from your home to the range. On top of that, restricted firearms need to be double locked while being stored or transported. That means a locked case, and a trigger/wire lock.

Because of this, there aren't many restricted shooters out there. You have to belong to a local gun club with range, and you need to call the Government to move said weapons back and forth to the range, or the shop. I am told it is a simple phone call and you get your ATT rather quick on most occasions.

There is another level of firearms, and those are the prohibited ones. Most of your ultra cool US guns fall into this category. Such things as full auto firearms, very short barreled guns and handguns, etc, may fall into this category. These are prohibited, in other words, the Government won't issue you a licence for these firearms...so forgetaboutit!

On top of all this, Canada has restrictions on the amount of rounds you can legally have in your firearm. Such as center-fire rifles are allowed 5 rounds, center-fire handguns are only allowed 10 rounds. Shotguns are only allowed 3 rounds if hunting migratory birds. The best part, no restrictions on rim fire rifles. Therefore, you are allowed to attach a 110 round circular magazine to a Ruger 10/22 and shoot up the range for a little extended shooting without re-loading.

Here is a link to what is mostly prohibited in Canada...along with a better definition of the 3 levels of firearms classifications.

http://www.gunownersresource.com/faq/what-guns-are-banned-in-canada/

[kirk13]

Most ammo is given its name based on the diameter of the bullet. Some are in 'Caliber', which is a decimal fraction of an inch, and some are given in metric. So, a .22 is 0.22 inches. Whereas a 9mm is... well... 9mm.

That's the most simple explanation, but there are tons of exceptions. If there's a second number, for instance 5.56x45, then the second number is the length of the cartridge's casing.

Generally, that covers it... unless you get something like the 30-06, where the 30 is diameter, and the 06 is the year it was adopted.

And, then it gets weird and... just...
 

But this should give you a basic idea.

And a 45-90?

[ColoSwiss]

Most ammo is given its name based on the diameter of the bullet. Some are in 'Caliber', which is a decimal fraction of an inch, and some are given in metric. So, a .22 is 0.22 inches. Whereas a 9mm is... well... 9mm.

That's the most simple explanation, but there are tons of exceptions. If there's a second number, for instance 5.56x45, then the second number is the length of the cartridge's casing.

Generally, that covers it... unless you get something like the 30-06, where the 30 is diameter, and the 06 is the year it was adopted.

And, then it gets weird and... just...
 

But this should give you a basic idea.

And a 45-90?

The second figure is the original black powder charge in grains. 45-70-405 (a 19th century US military round), the third figure is the bullet weight. As for .38, most of them are actually .36 or more properly .357. Advertising hype has been going on for a long time. 

The Europeans aren't any better. 7.62mm Tokarev, 7.63mm Mauser and 7.65mm Luger all fire the same .308 diameter bullet (different cartridge cases and/or loads).

[captain spaulding]

It is the same here in Canada, even though it always amazes me just how many firearms we do have per population.

If you look here,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_guns_per_capita_by_country

Canada is ranked 12th, Germany is 14th, and of course the US is 1st. Surprisingly, or not that surprisingly, the UK is ranked 88th.

The vast majority of firearms in Canada are of the hunting rifle or shotgun. Either way, Canadians need to pass a safety course and a hunting course to get your PAL (which allows purchase of long guns), and the hunting course gets you your hunting licence. The PAL allows you access to non-restricted firearms.

To get into pistols, which are mostly labeled restricted, you also need to take a restricted safety course. In Canada, you need an ATT (authorization to transport) from the chief firearms officer of the province if you need to transport any restricted firearm. If you buy a restricted firearm from a gun shop, then the gun shop will calle the RCMP and get an ATT which will allow the buyer to transport the restricted firearm from the shop to the home. In Canada, you can't hunt with a pistol. They are strictly target at a range things, or you can collect them I suppose. Therefore, once you belong to a range, the gun club will fill out the paperwork and get an ATT that will allow you to transport your restricted firearm back and forth from your home to the range. On top of that, restricted firearms need to be double locked while being stored or transported. That means a locked case, and a trigger/wire lock.

Because of this, there aren't many restricted shooters out there. You have to belong to a local gun club with range, and you need to call the Government to move said weapons back and forth to the range, or the shop. I am told it is a simple phone call and you get your ATT rather quick on most occasions.

There is another level of firearms, and those are the prohibited ones. Most of your ultra cool US guns fall into this category. Such things as full auto firearms, very short barreled guns and handguns, etc, may fall into this category. These are prohibited, in other words, the Government won't issue you a licence for these firearms...so forgetaboutit!

On top of all this, Canada has restrictions on the amount of rounds you can legally have in your firearm. Such as center-fire rifles are allowed 5 rounds, center-fire handguns are only allowed 10 rounds. Shotguns are only allowed 3 rounds if hunting migratory birds. The best part, no restrictions on rim fire rifles. Therefore, you are allowed to attach a 110 round circular magazine to a Ruger 10/22 and shoot up the range for a little extended shooting without re-loading.

Here is a link to what is mostly prohibited in Canada...along with a better definition of the 3 levels of firearms classifications.

http://www.gunownersresource.com/faq/what-guns-are-banned-in-canada/

Just curious. Are you limited in the amount of ammunition one can own?

[Chako]

No.

[captain spaulding]

Thanks.

[Chako]

 

[HarleyXJGuy]

Most ammo is given its name based on the diameter of the bullet. Some are in 'Caliber', which is a decimal fraction of an inch, and some are given in metric. So, a .22 is 0.22 inches. Whereas a 9mm is... well... 9mm.

That's the most simple explanation, but there are tons of exceptions. If there's a second number, for instance 5.56x45, then the second number is the length of the cartridge's casing.

Generally, that covers it... unless you get something like the 30-06, where the 30 is diameter, and the 06 is the year it was adopted.

And, then it gets weird and... just...
 

But this should give you a basic idea.

And a 45-90?

The second figure is the original black powder charge in grains. 45-70-405 (a 19th century US military round), the third figure is the bullet weight. As for .38, most of them are actually .36 or more properly .357. Advertising hype has been going on for a long time. 

The Europeans aren't any better. 7.62mm Tokarev, 7.63mm Mauser and 7.65mm Luger all fire the same .308 diameter bullet (different cartridge cases and/or loads).

Took me a while to wrap my head around the fact .38 Special and .357 Magnum were the same, sort of and that .38 could be shot from a .357 but .357 could not be shot from a .38. Then of course .38 Super could be shot from neither.

Of course this is not the case with .22 LR and .22 magnum which are in no way interchangeable. 

[ColoSwiss]

.38 Special was originally known as .38 S&W Special, but which was NOT interchangeable with .38 S&W. On the other hand the old .38 Long Colt would work in a .38 Special.

A lot of the old Spanish auto pistols were marked '9mm/.38', indicating they were chambered for 9mm Largo (Bergmann-Bayard) and would also work with .38 Automatic (slightly shorter but semi-rimmed). Note that 9mm Largo is NOT the same as 9mm Luger.

The number of .38 and 9mm cartridges is extensive and confusing.

[tosh]

Congratulations Dan 
Your statistics.......UK ranked 88th!!
That made me smile...... Pretty certain the vast majority of firearms in this country are owned by the criminals. Somewhat ironic I think

But not nearly as ironic that I could click the amazon prime and take delivery of high powered slingshot plus as many 9mm ball bearings as I wish.

That to me is just plain daft.

Just out of curiosity does anyone know what the lb/ft of a 9mm steel ball bearing from a high strength slingshot is?

Saw clips on youtube where a guy shoots 1" steel ball at plywood (1" thick ??) just blew holes in it......devastating and silent and worse highly consealable. To me I find that more shocking than the firearms ban here.

At least the firearms were owned by responsible owners 99.9% of the time. It would be interesting to know what was actually achieved in banning firearms here in the UK
........apart from giving criminals an advantage.

[HarleyXJGuy]

Congratulations Dan 
Your statistics.......UK ranked 88th!!
That made me smile...... Pretty certain the vast majority of firearms in this country are owned by the criminals. Somewhat ironic I think

But not nearly as ironic that I could click the amazon prime and take delivery of high powered slingshot plus as many 9mm ball bearings as I wish.

That to me is just plain daft.

Just out of curiosity does anyone know what the lb/ft of a 9mm steel ball bearing from a high strength slingshot is?

Saw clips on youtube where a guy shoots 1" steel ball at plywood (1" thick ??) just blew holes in it......devastating and silent and worse highly consealable. To me I find that more shocking than the firearms ban here.

At least the firearms were owned by responsible owners 99.9% of the time. It would be interesting to know what was actually achieved in banning firearms here in the UK
........apart from giving criminals an advantage.

Nope that's it.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Congratulations Dan 
Your statistics.......UK ranked 88th!!
That made me smile...... Pretty certain the vast majority of firearms in this country are owned by the criminals. Somewhat ironic I think

But not nearly as ironic that I could click the amazon prime and take delivery of high powered slingshot plus as many 9mm ball bearings as I wish.

That to me is just plain daft.

Just out of curiosity does anyone know what the lb/ft of a 9mm steel ball bearing from a high strength slingshot is?

Saw clips on youtube where a guy shoots 1" steel ball at plywood (1" thick ??) just blew holes in it......devastating and silent and worse highly consealable. To me I find that more shocking than the firearms ban here.

At least the firearms were owned by responsible owners 99.9% of the time. It would be interesting to know what was actually achieved in banning firearms here in the UK
........apart from giving criminals an advantage.

The highest works out at 24 ft lbs, so twice that of an air rifle

[tosh]

Congratulations Dan 
Your statistics.......UK ranked 88th!!
That made me smile...... Pretty certain the vast majority of firearms in this country are owned by the criminals. Somewhat ironic I think

But not nearly as ironic that I could click the amazon prime and take delivery of high powered slingshot plus as many 9mm ball bearings as I wish.

That to me is just plain daft.

Just out of curiosity does anyone know what the lb/ft of a 9mm steel ball bearing from a high strength slingshot is?

Saw clips on youtube where a guy shoots 1" steel ball at plywood (1" thick ??) just blew holes in it......devastating and silent and worse highly consealable. To me I find that more shocking than the firearms ban here.

At least the firearms were owned by responsible owners 99.9% of the time. It would be interesting to know what was actually achieved in banning firearms here in the UK
........apart from giving criminals an advantage.

The highest works out at 24 ft lbs, so twice that of an air rifle

Cheers Mike
Can you put that into context.

The hollow thin airgun pellet weighs nothing in comparison to a solid steel 9mm ball bearing.
So how does 12lb/ft really equate to 24lb/ft when one takes the huge difference in mass?

Hope that makes sense

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I'm no mathematician, but the weight of the projectile is significantly higher, but the velocity is a lot lower too. If you go on YouTube and look up gamekeeper catapults he does lots of shots over his chronograph and shows the working out.

Having said that, I don't shoot at those higher powers as its bloody hard work, as your talking 2-3 times the bandsets! They are peanuts to run in comparison to an air rifle though, so well worth it in my opinion

[Chako]

I am sure the government will say...how many robberies have you heard where the perpetrator used a slingshot....or how many deaths from slingshots?

[Chako]

<---Seems to have a thing for storing things. 

Now that I have purchased my handguns and am waiting for my gun licence to grace my door, I have been thinking about some safety aspects. I wanted a separate ammunition storage. I previously bought a cheap little 10 gun storage cabinet made by Stack-on for a sale price of 99 dollars. It is nothing fancy. The door is a bit small, you get cheap foam for the barrel rests, and there is no provision for a rifle with scope...which I quickly found out when I decided to store my Beeman .22 classic with scope in it. Not only is there no provision for a scope, but the barrel fits under the top shelf lip with a bit of struggle. All things I was ok with for the price.

However, I decided that I had better find something similar for the ammunition. I can store some ammo in the gun cabinet's top shelf, but I would rather keep the ammo separate. I decided to go back the TSC store because I recalled they had a smaller single shelf Stack-on cabinet that would be perfect for ammunition. They still had one, but they wanted 139 dollars for it. It was resting on a larger Stack-on cabinet. This one would hold 14 guns, is taller, wider, and appears to have better barrel rests. Better yet, there are a couple that stick out more to support rifles with scopes mounted. They wanted 149 dollars for it.

I went for the 10 dollar more better gun cabinet with the idea of turning my 10 gun cabinet into an ammo storage solution. All I would need are a few shelves, and i should have enough storage space for a lot of ammunition, etc.

I was quite happy because I am getting another steal of a deal...a better gun cabinet for 10 dollars more than the ammo locker I originally wanted. The employee who went back to fetch me one told me he got the wrong one when we met again at the front of the store. He checked in the computer system and found that this one was in the system for 20 dollars less than the other gun cabinet, is the same as the other but in black instead of green, and also came with a separate single handgun safe as a bonus. It was their last one from a promo they ran around Christmas time.

So I got the same better gun cabinet for 20 dollars less with a bonus lockable pistol safe. 

My original thought was to be able to have all 3 against the far wall, but that won't fit, My walk in close is only 4' 1" wide X 5' 4" long. Guess this means I am going to have to remove some shelving, and move everything around. This should be good as I have an idea on how to make this space really work for me. Yeah, I am going to be quite happy with what I am going to do with this space.

[HarleyXJGuy]

 

[Chako]

You asked for it. 

Here is the new gun cabinet. The old one could only hold guns up to 52". The extra height is much appreciated. It also comes with a wider door, which is always a good thing.



Here is my small walk in closet/storage space half cleaned. The shelving unit on the left was full of linens etc. There is the old 10 gun cabinet with various air pistols stored on the top, along with a 4 handgun storage rack which I will have to install in the new cabinet someday soon. I was getting ready for the shooting sports by buying various needed things and stowing them on top of the safe. The above shelving unit was just junk stowage. That needed to be cleaned out fast, as I am  hoping to put my linens up there.



Here is an overview of the mess...but after some cleaning of the left shelving unit. 



And here is the larger gun cabinet somewhat installed next to the safe, the shelving unit was removed for added space for the old gun cabinet which will be turned into the new ammo locker. Soon after this photo, I realized I had to add the gun barrel saddles inside the new cabinet. They are made of hard plastic and are screwed in as opposed to the old system of tacky foam...which you can see a piece of it in the old cabinet as the door is open in this photo. Better yet, you are given 5 risers that will accommodate rifles with scopes. When this photo was taken, I hadn't stowed away my air-gun ammunition yet.



So the big idea now is to put a locking door on this space. That should make it more secure. I even have enough room for a small TV tray style fold away desk which could work as a small dedicated firearms work space for cleaning etc.

The freebie is a bit small for a handgun safe. It is more a place to lock keys, wallets, other small objects. It is a locking metal clam shell container with a hole on the side where you can insert the included metal cable so that you can secure it to anything that the metal wire can be wrapped around. The wire is looped at each end. 

I can't post photos of the two pistols I bought as they are safely ensconced at the local gun shop until I can acquire them legally with the acquisition of a licence...but I can post videos about them.

Browning BuckMark Hunter.


Smith and Wesson M&P 9mm Range and Carry Kit.

[tosh]

Hmm...

I'm predicting that Gun cabinet being full by summer and Dan starting on his 3rd before next New Year!!   

[Lynn LeFey]

I bet Chako thought collecting MTs was expensive!

"Oooohh.... A broomhandle Mauser with original shoulder stock!" 

[Chako]

Has no intentions of collecting...and I pray I am right on this one. 

[Lynn LeFey]

Has no intentions...

Uh-huh. 

[ducttapetech]

Has no intentions...

Uh-huh. 

I have heard this before too.

Nate