Quote from: eamo on February 13, 2015, 10:15:59 PMIn a situation where your wellbeing is at stake, then i think whatever gear you have needs to be redundant - eg, Signal has a firestarter but if I were camping I would have a second method of starting a fire. In this sense, I think the Signal is a good tool that encompasses everything you need in one package but I would also have redundancy built into my kit. Either using the signal as my primary tool and having backup tools (SAK, Wave, box of matches, whatever) or vice versa, have the signal in my bag to complement my other kit. Redundancy adds weight yes, but even so. just my €0.02 . . .If you are in a genuine survival situation, then one of two things has happened.A) you have been caught completely unaware by car crash, flood, huricane, volcano, plane crash, tidal wave, or some other devastating event ... or,B) you have gone into a known hazardous situation unprepared for the reality of the situation.For the vast majority of people (including me probably) either one of those two events would mean you'd not have the luxury of kit duplication, clear thinking, food and water reserves, a calm situation in which to think and act, a wealth of natural resources at your disposal ... lets not fall into the media trap of confusing survival with camping
In a situation where your wellbeing is at stake, then i think whatever gear you have needs to be redundant - eg, Signal has a firestarter but if I were camping I would have a second method of starting a fire. In this sense, I think the Signal is a good tool that encompasses everything you need in one package but I would also have redundancy built into my kit. Either using the signal as my primary tool and having backup tools (SAK, Wave, box of matches, whatever) or vice versa, have the signal in my bag to complement my other kit. Redundancy adds weight yes, but even so. just my €0.02 . . .
Obi, may i ask how old you are? Your behaviour reminds me on that of young teenagers.Mods, is there a way to block seeing postings of a certain member? When i want to see such childish replies, i can argue with my 9 year old niece.
The Signal is an Outdoor Multitool, not a Survival one, correct?
That's enough gentlemen, agree to disagree. This is a civil place, if you can't be civil then don't post.
For the vast majority of people (including me probably) either one of those two events would mean you'd not have the luxury of kit duplication, clear thinking, food and water reserves, a calm situation in which to think and act, a wealth of natural resources at your disposal ... lets not fall into the media trap of confusing survival with camping
To survive in the wildness, I want a case of MRE hidden inside one of its handles, and a case of water in the other.I am willing give up my beloved can opener for them.
Quote from: Syncop8r on February 13, 2015, 10:47:39 PMThe Signal is an Outdoor Multitool, not a Survival one, correct?Yes, but the conversation keeps swaying round to a survivalist nature
Ok lets get back to the OP question. Is the Signal a Survival tool? Was this Leathermans Intent? From the interview with (Kitry?) that The Late Boy Scout did she calls it a Survival/Outdoor friendly MT, so the answer is YES.
Ok lets get back to the OP question. Is the Signal a Survival tool? Was this Leathermans Intent? From the interview with (Kitry?) that The Late Boy Scout did she calls it a Survival/Outdoor friendly MT, so the answer is YES.As and outdoor tool we know that any number of MTs fall into this role without there needing to be a specifically designed tool. Heck some of you all modded yours to meet your needs perfectly fine, whatever platform you used. As a Survival tool we are having a hard time grasping this concept and design. There are some hits and misses on this tool. I'd say the tool definitely needs some more work in the role of a one tool Survival MT. I know they say its based off the MUT ( or at least inspired ) and this is where I feel they could have done a better job. I think price will always play a role in what we feel a tool is worth but if it was a well designed Survival MT then I dont see many having an issue at $100 bucks. Did I miss something?
Why is the weight only 1 oz less than the Wave? Is it the hammer? Hmm...Sent from Tracy Island
The whole 'survival' tag IMHO comes from exactly what it is! I believe any outdoor enthusiast would not choose this tool over a dedicated fixed blade, ferro rod, sharpening stone etc but would carry it in addition as a 'back up' or redundant item, to use in a situation where other tools have failed, or in an extreme situation as a last ditch option ie: survival. I don't for one second believe that a woodsman would ditch his dedicated gear to replace it with this.Leatherman also have a marketing angle on products and if they define it solely as a survival tool, the market narrows to people caught up in the survival wave and collectors.Marketing is clever wording to make every tool seem like an option to everybody.Sometimes they get it wrong and people pick it up...such as the Rev...It is being marketed as a budget tool that they don't seem excited about...Signal = survival= not for me.
Quote from: Obi1shinobee on February 13, 2015, 09:48:37 PMQuote from: Lichtbote on February 13, 2015, 09:44:24 PMHad a Wave, thought about it, gifted it to a friend.It´s to flimsy for me. If i couldn´t use my Surge, i would go for the OHT.And after that now probably the Signal ... throw away the whistle and such, and mod it to my wishes. It looks like a capable basis.Flimsy?? hahaha i put 2x s30v on it .. will own that surge..Did you? I can't see them.
Quote from: Lichtbote on February 13, 2015, 09:44:24 PMHad a Wave, thought about it, gifted it to a friend.It´s to flimsy for me. If i couldn´t use my Surge, i would go for the OHT.And after that now probably the Signal ... throw away the whistle and such, and mod it to my wishes. It looks like a capable basis.Flimsy?? hahaha i put 2x s30v on it .. will own that surge..
Had a Wave, thought about it, gifted it to a friend.It´s to flimsy for me. If i couldn´t use my Surge, i would go for the OHT.And after that now probably the Signal ... throw away the whistle and such, and mod it to my wishes. It looks like a capable basis.
^this!
So I was watching Castaway and the whole time I was thinking, "He could really use the signal!" I know it's just a movie, but if he had a Signal on him when everything went down he would have been in a MUCH better situation. Unfortunately he had a sak in the beginning of the movie and left it with his girl
I met up with a buddy this week, whose sister works at Leatherman in Portland. As one who has been very critical of Leatherman re: the Signal, I am somewhat humbled by his feedback. It appears that they have had great demand coming in for a "survival" tool. The marketing research indicated this was the biggest demand that offered the highest potential for sales. The whole Doomsday Prepper crowd is a built in customer base. As a business, they must follow consumer trends to achieve growth. Marketing research seemingly has indicated that the snowboard/surfboard/Prepper crowds have had great buyer potential for them. He also stated that "target" audiences are willing to pay premiums, hence the inflated pricing. I guess the "tradesman" crowd is not very vocal on wanting new options and based on sales, seem to be satisfied with current offerings.Makes me wonder as it seems that about every 3rd person who even knows what a multi tool is, comments that the Wave needs replaceable cuttersSent from my iPad using Tapatalk
Quote from: BMSguy on February 15, 2015, 05:19:52 PMI met up with a buddy this week, whose sister works at Leatherman in Portland. As one who has been very critical of Leatherman re: the Signal, I am somewhat humbled by his feedback. It appears that they have had great demand coming in for a "survival" tool. The marketing research indicated this was the biggest demand that offered the highest potential for sales. The whole Doomsday Prepper crowd is a built in customer base. As a business, they must follow consumer trends to achieve growth. Marketing research seemingly has indicated that the snowboard/surfboard/Prepper crowds have had great buyer potential for them. He also stated that "target" audiences are willing to pay premiums, hence the inflated pricing. I guess the "tradesman" crowd is not very vocal on wanting new options and based on sales, seem to be satisfied with current offerings.Makes me wonder as it seems that about every 3rd person who even knows what a multi tool is, comments that the Wave needs replaceable cuttersSent from my iPad using TapatalkSounds about right, they made the Tread after one guy was embarrassed getting into a fun park.
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