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When did this start?
on: December 16, 2014, 03:52:05 PM
So my mail man finally got off his lazy smurf and started bringing me some SAKs.

Looking at them I just noticed something. My Vic, Wenger and Alox are all different sizes?!

I know right? Before you dismiss this as the ravings of someone to long without sleep or beer look at this helpful picture I took for you.



See it is true.

Discuss.
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #1 on: December 16, 2014, 03:57:22 PM
Yup, always been that way.  That's my only real attraction to the Wenger traditional SAKs, the smaller size.
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #2 on: December 16, 2014, 03:58:07 PM
Wengers are 85mm

Vics are 91mm

Alox is 93mm

Viva la difference!
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #3 on: December 16, 2014, 04:00:10 PM
Quote from: smiller43147 on December 16, 2014, 03:57:22 PM
Yup, always been that way.  That's my only real attraction to the Wenger traditional SAKs, the smaller size.

No I do not believe this is the case.

Quote from: magentus on December 16, 2014, 03:58:07 PM
Wengers are 85mm

Vics are 91mm

Alox is 93mm


Umm hello I just said that. Well pretty much said that with out all your fancy math.
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #4 on: December 16, 2014, 04:02:20 PM
Bruce Hornsby once said 'That's just the way it is'. I think that applies here.
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #5 on: December 16, 2014, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: magentus on December 16, 2014, 04:02:20 PM
Bruce Hornsby once said 'That's just the way it is'. I think that applies here.

Right?

Weird they would not have a press release or something though.

Pretty big change to just sneak out there.
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #6 on: December 16, 2014, 04:05:28 PM
and there is a 84mm Vic too in both Alox and Cellidor/Nylon.

you need some of them too  :pok:
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #7 on: December 16, 2014, 04:07:39 PM
Bruce was always a bit vague about the different sizes. He'd sing 'That's just the way it is' until the press went away.
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #8 on: December 16, 2014, 04:21:47 PM
Quote from: magentus on December 16, 2014, 04:07:39 PM
Bruce was always a bit vague about the different sizes. He'd sing 'That's just the way it is' until the press went away.

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Re: When did this start?
Reply #9 on: December 16, 2014, 04:25:02 PM
Here, if you didn't know already and need any info..
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #10 on: December 16, 2014, 04:26:19 PM
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #11 on: December 16, 2014, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: MadPlumbarian on December 16, 2014, 04:25:02 PM
Here, if you didn't know already and need any info..
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http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php

Wait a second there is a website about SAKs?

Next thing you know there is going to be a forum where all people do is talk about MTs and SAKs!
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #12 on: December 16, 2014, 04:35:22 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on December 16, 2014, 04:34:15 PM
Quote from: MadPlumbarian on December 16, 2014, 04:25:02 PM
Here, if you didn't know already and need any info..
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http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php

Wait a second there is a website about SAKs?

Next thing you know there is going to be a forum where all people do is talk about MTs and SAKs!

Nah, that's an urban legend.....
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #13 on: December 16, 2014, 04:35:57 PM
Quote from: PTRSAK on December 16, 2014, 04:05:28 PM
and there is a 84mm Vic too in both Alox and Cellidor/Nylon.

you need some of them too  :pok:

Keep it up Mister, you are already on the list don't think I won't replace Monrogue on the top of it.

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Re: When did this start?
Reply #14 on: December 16, 2014, 04:49:02 PM
Let me answer that:



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Re: When did this start?
Reply #15 on: December 16, 2014, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: pfrsantos on December 16, 2014, 04:49:02 PM
Let me answer that:



I am watching this show right now lol.
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #16 on: December 16, 2014, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on December 16, 2014, 04:35:57 PM
Quote from: PTRSAK on December 16, 2014, 04:05:28 PM
and there is a 84mm Vic too in both Alox and Cellidor/Nylon.

you need some of them too  :pok:

Keep it up Mister, you are already on the list don't think I won't replace Monrogue on the top of it.

Nah who am I kidding Monrogue will always be my #1 enemy.

Muwahahahaaaaaaa >:D  I don't know who could replace me at the top of your list :think:
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #17 on: December 16, 2014, 07:37:06 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on December 16, 2014, 04:05:02 PM
Quote from: magentus on December 16, 2014, 04:02:20 PM
Bruce Hornsby once said 'That's just the way it is'. I think that applies here.

Right?

Weird they would not have a press release or something though.

Pretty big change to just sneak out there.

Not really a change. As stated.. it pretty much always started like this...
Some sak-guru can probably explain better, but the answer lies in how they developed. Alox developed off the Soldier, Vic and Wenger developed off the Officer's knife.
Originally both the Soldier and Officer were 100 mm (hope I'm not mistaking).
In 1951 the 93 mm Fibrox Soldier's Knife replaced it, which was replaced with the 93 mm Alox.
The Officer's Knife was replaced with the 91 mm Standard, which was replaced with the 91mm Spartan which is the matrix for most saks nowadays...

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Re: When did this start?
Reply #18 on: December 16, 2014, 08:15:09 PM
Quote from: Monrogue on December 16, 2014, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on December 16, 2014, 04:35:57 PM
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and there is a 84mm Vic too in both Alox and Cellidor/Nylon.

you need some of them too  :pok:

Keep it up Mister, you are already on the list don't think I won't replace Monrogue on the top of it.

Nah who am I kidding Monrogue will always be my #1 enemy.

Muwahahahaaaaaaa >:D  I don't know who could replace me at the top of your list :think:

Maybe the plague or inappropriate eye contact at the urinals in the men's room. About all I could think of.
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #19 on: December 16, 2014, 08:21:14 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on December 16, 2014, 08:15:09 PM
Quote from: Monrogue on December 16, 2014, 07:24:19 PM
Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on December 16, 2014, 04:35:57 PM
Quote from: PTRSAK on December 16, 2014, 04:05:28 PM
and there is a 84mm Vic too in both Alox and Cellidor/Nylon.

you need some of them too  :pok:

Keep it up Mister, you are already on the list don't think I won't replace Monrogue on the top of it.

Nah who am I kidding Monrogue will always be my #1 enemy.

Muwahahahaaaaaaa >:D  I don't know who could replace me at the top of your list :think:

Maybe the plague or inappropriate eye contact at the urinals in the men's room. About all I could think of.

 :rofl:
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #20 on: December 16, 2014, 08:30:46 PM
At one time both Victorinox and Wenger offered complete lines of 84mm/85mm (3 1/4") and 91mm (3 1/2") knives. Wenger eventually went to all 84mm size; while Victorinox concentrated on 91mm (they still offer a few 85mms). Why? I suspect product differentiation played a large part in it.

For what its worth my EDC is a Wenger Traveler (84mm). I find the 84s ride better in my pocket, and none of the current 85mm Vics offer a scissors.  Out in the field I often stick a 91mm Vic Huntsman in my pocket.
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #21 on: December 16, 2014, 08:34:10 PM
Quote from: ColoSwiss on December 16, 2014, 08:30:46 PM
At one time both Victorinox and Wenger offered complete lines of 84mm/85mm (3 1/4") and 91mm (3 1/2") knives. Wenger eventually went to all 84mm size; while Victorinox concentrated on 91mm (they still offer a few 85mms). Why? I suspect product differentiation played a large part in it.

For what its worth my EDC is a Wenger Traveler (84mm). I find the 84s ride better in my pocket, and none of the current 85mm Vics offer a scissors.  Out in the field I often stick a 91mm Vic Huntsman in my pocket.

So to sum up your post.

No kidding they changed the size of SAKs?!
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Re: When did this start?
Reply #22 on: December 16, 2014, 08:45:18 PM
There's also 58mm, 65mm, 74mm, 100mm, 108mm, 111mm, 120mm, 130mm, and a few others too.

But to answer your original question of when this started .... about 130 years ago! C'mon catch up  :pok: :D


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Re: When did this start?
Reply #23 on: December 16, 2014, 08:53:37 PM
Quote from: 50ft-trad on December 16, 2014, 08:45:18 PM
There's also 58mm, 65mm, 74mm, 100mm, 108mm, 111mm, 120mm, 130mm, and a few others too.

But to answer your original question of when this started .... about 130 years ago! C'mon catch up  :pok: :D

Now you are just being silly. I know when SAKs started being made.

Get with the program fiddy. This thread is about the recent change that only I noticed before now.

Serious business. We have to send a message to Vic that we will not stand for this willy nilly change.

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Re: When did this start?
Reply #24 on: December 17, 2014, 03:24:32 AM
Quote from: ColoSwiss on December 16, 2014, 08:30:46 PM
At one time both Victorinox and Wenger offered complete lines of 84mm/85mm (3 1/4") and 91mm (3 1/2") knives. Wenger eventually went to all 85mm size; while Victorinox concentrated on 91mm (they still offer a few 84mms). Why? I suspect product differentiation played a large part in it.

For what its worth my EDC is a Wenger Traveler (85mm). I find the 85s ride better in my pocket, and none of the current 84mm Vics offer a scissors.  Out in the field I often stick a 91mm Vic Huntsman in my pocket.

Fixed that for you... :cheers:
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