Archery.

[Chako]

That other rest is a good one. I have used various rests like that for years.

With that said, the drop away rest eliminates any vane clearance issues you may have with the other one. It also eliminates wear and tear on those arms. Surprisingly enough, they wear out quick if you shoot a lot. Mind you they are easy to buy replacements for.

With that said, that one is also a very solid rest. Everything has pros and cons to them.

As for cheaper, yes it is once you stop wrecking arrows. It was expensive my first 2 times at the 3D range when I first started. I think I wrecked almost a dozen arrows both times. 

[HarleyXJGuy]

That other rest is a good one. I have used various rests like that for years.

With that said, the drop away rest eliminates any vane clearance issues you may have with the other one. It also eliminates wear and tear on those arms. Surprisingly enough, they wear out quick if you shoot a lot. Mind you they are easy to buy replacements for.

With that said, that one is also a very solid rest. Everything has pros and cons to them.

As for cheaper, yes it is once you stop wrecking arrows. It was expensive my first 2 times at the 3D range when I first started. I think I wrecked almost a dozen arrows both times. 

So which style do you like the best?

Seems from what you are saying you like the drop away more? If so why?

[MadPlumbarian]

Wow, that's some fancy stuff. I always liked archery, just never really got into it. I started off when I was like 12 with bear cub compound bow but that was pretty much it, the only other one I had I think was a white tail? But again I never really got into it, it's kinda funny cause my wife and I started watching a tv show yesterday and yet it's Arrow, lol.
JR

[HarleyXJGuy]

Wow, that's some fancy stuff. I always liked archery, just never really got into it. I started off when I was like 12 with bear cub compound bow but that was pretty much it, the only other one I had I think was a white tail? But again I never really got into it, it's kinda funny cause my wife and I started watching a tv show yesterday and yet it's Arrow, lol.
JR

My first bow was a Whitetail II. Heavy POS but it never let me down.

[Chako]

This is my own personal opinion...

Two prong rest:
Pros:
- Bullet proof design, highly durable.
- Good arrow clearance.
- Solid V to hold your arrow in place.
- Great rest for fatter arrows.

Cons:
- Can be fiddly to tune as there is a spring involved.
- Prongs will wear out. I know quite a few archers who put beads of epoxy on the high wear areas.
- Nock placement is crucial, as you can have vanes hitting your prongs.
- Narrow carbon arrows means the prongs are closer together, increasing the likelihood of fletch clearance issues.

Drop away rest:
Pros:
- Will drop away meaning less interference from rest as soon as you let the arrow go.
- Less interference means increased accuracy.

Cons:
- Mechanism requires a string to be attached to your cables.
- Added complexity.
- Tends to be more expensive.

The 2 prong rest is a fantastic hunting rest. It has the capability of holding an arrow in place, and is durable. The drop away is a better target rest in my opinion. With that said, I know plenty of folks that target with a 2 prong. It truthfully is a very popular design. They are accurate. I just prefer the drop away because it gives me that little bit of an advantage by minimizing contact of the arrow upon release.

I have seen rest issues with everything. For example, I have shot variations of that 2 prong rest for decades. I have seen where the prongs get lose and arrows fly all over the place because the prongs slowly started to spread apart. That one had me guessing what was wrong for a good 30 minutes. It is a mechanical disadvantage of that rest. Likewise, I have seen drop away rest fail from that cable coming lose. The drop away rest can come with a variety of launchers out there. Some of which completely suck if you plan to use it for hunting as they hold your arrow on a tiny V. Any yaw of the bow and the arrows tend to roll off of those.

Frankly Harley, go with what your most comfortable with, and meets your needs.

[Singh]

I've been making selfbows and wood composites for over 20 years.

some old pics, but it's all I got right now:

Osage/bamboo composite with cane grip


A nice little 64" osage hunting bow with cane grip and green leather strike plate.


The top one is a hickory/lemonwood (degame)/black walnut composite bow. Bottom one is a white oak longbow I made for my wife. You can see the size difference in the handles. Handles are wrapped in cane which I like..it's weatherpoof and won't wear out.


osage kiddy bow


Osage kiddy bow handle with floppy leather arrow rest.



Made some cedar arrows


I also have some vintage recurves. Here's a 1960s Herter's target bow, 69" long


and the 69" Herter's again with a 64" Ben Pearson and 62" Pearson:


and another nice Ben Pearson

[HarleyXJGuy]

This is my own personal opinion...

Two prong rest:
Pros:
- Bullet proof design, highly durable.
- Good arrow clearance.
- Solid V to hold your arrow in place.
- Great rest for fatter arrows.

Cons:
- Can be fiddly to tune as there is a spring involved.
- Prongs will wear out. I know quite a few archers who put beads of epoxy on the high wear areas.
- Nock placement is crucial, as you can have vanes hitting your prongs.
- Narrow carbon arrows means the prongs are closer together, increasing the likelihood of fletch clearance issues.

Drop away rest:
Pros:
- Will drop away meaning less interference from rest as soon as you let the arrow go.
- Less interference means increased accuracy.

Cons:
- Mechanism requires a string to be attached to your cables.
- Added complexity.
- Tends to be more expensive.

The 2 prong rest is a fantastic hunting rest. It has the capability of holding an arrow in place, and is durable. The drop away is a better target rest in my opinion. With that said, I know plenty of folks that target with a 2 prong. It truthfully is a very popular design. They are accurate. I just prefer the drop away because it gives me that little bit of an advantage by minimizing contact of the arrow upon release.

I have seen rest issues with everything. For example, I have shot variations of that 2 prong rest for decades. I have seen where the prongs get lose and arrows fly all over the place because the prongs slowly started to spread apart. That one had me guessing what was wrong for a good 30 minutes. It is a mechanical disadvantage of that rest. Likewise, I have seen drop away rest fail from that cable coming lose. The drop away rest can come with a variety of launchers out there. Some of which completely suck if you plan to use it for hunting as they hold your arrow on a tiny V. Any yaw of the bow and the arrows tend to roll off of those.

Frankly Harley, go with what your most comfortable with, and meets your needs.

Thanks for the detailed response Chako. Very informative.

Drop away does not seem to bad as far as tuning goes. Plus the lack of contact is very nice.

Now to figure out what sight system to go with. 

[Chako]

Hmmm..

Like the rest, up to personal likes and dislikes.

If you have built in fine adjustments for windage and elevation, that is a bonus. Most dedicated target sights have those built in. usually, you will have a course adjustment to quickly move your pin up and down, and then fine adjustments up and down and in and out to zero it nicely.

Hunting sights tend to have several pins for various yardages instead of the one single pin on a dedicated target sight. Hunting sights also tend to have fiber optic pins and/or a built in light to illuminate your pins.

Dedicated target sights as seen on my gear usually do not come with a pin. That option is left wide open to you, and the variety of pins and scopes is large. That is an added cost to a dedicated target sight.

Hunting sights have the pins built in, and tend to be generally less expensive...but that is a general statement. Prices for both can vary a lot.

If you plan on shooting any outdoor 3D ranges, you will want a hunting sight. You can do it with a single pin..but the act of adjusting your sight up and down will annoy you eventually...I think. Like everything else, I know folks who do that with a dedicated target sight and have no issues. Me, I would rather just not fiddle with my sight at each shot.

Some of the better hunting sights have fine adjustments for windage and elevation. Maybe not as convenient as the overly largish knobs found on a dedicated sight, but some do have that. Those models may require hex keys or something similar. Hunters frown upon a possibly moving sight in the field...so those type of sights tend to have lock down features.

The best sight, much like the rest, is the one you like. Best bet is to see a few at a local archery shop and go from there...that is when you get home of course.

[Megan]

I have a 3-pin sight on mine right now.
I mainly do 3D comp shoots.
I'd actually like a serious target sight. They're big and weird looking.

[HarleyXJGuy]

They're big and weird looking.

So a little bit like Chako? 

What model is your three pin Megan?

Pretty sure I do not want a target sight yet do to having to fiddle with it for different ranges and since it is just for fun target shooting for the time being.

The Hogg line of sights seem very well made.

[Megan]

Well. I will have to have a look when I get home. It is just a trophy ridge 3 pin sight. Not sure which model.

[Gareth]

I've been making selfbows and wood composites for over 20 years.

some old pics, but it's all I got right now:

Osage/bamboo composite with cane grip
(Image removed from quote.)

A nice little 64" osage hunting bow with cane grip and green leather strike plate.
(Image removed from quote.)

The top one is a hickory/lemonwood (degame)/black walnut composite bow. Bottom one is a white oak longbow I made for my wife. You can see the size difference in the handles. Handles are wrapped in cane which I like..it's weatherpoof and won't wear out.
(Image removed from quote.)

osage kiddy bow
(Image removed from quote.)

Osage kiddy bow handle with floppy leather arrow rest.
(Image removed from quote.)


Made some cedar arrows
(Image removed from quote.)

I also have some vintage recurves. Here's a 1960s Herter's target bow, 69" long
(Image removed from quote.)

and the 69" Herter's again with a 64" Ben Pearson and 62" Pearson:
(Image removed from quote.)

and another nice Ben Pearson
(Image removed from quote.)

That's very impressive mate.

[Singh]

thanks, Gareth.

[HarleyXJGuy]

Been doing some looking around and found a brand new PSE DNA for $500.

Seems like a killer deal.

[JAfromMn]

I've been making selfbows and wood composites for over 20 years.

some old pics, but it's all I got right now:

Osage/bamboo composite with cane grip
(Image removed from quote.)

A nice little 64" osage hunting bow with cane grip and green leather strike plate.
(Image removed from quote.)

The top one is a hickory/lemonwood (degame)/black walnut composite bow. Bottom one is a white oak longbow I made for my wife. You can see the size difference in the handles. Handles are wrapped in cane which I like..it's weatherpoof and won't wear out.
(Image removed from quote.)

osage kiddy bow
(Image removed from quote.)

Osage kiddy bow handle with floppy leather arrow rest.
(Image removed from quote.)


Made some cedar arrows
(Image removed from quote.)

I also have some vintage recurves. Here's a 1960s Herter's target bow, 69" long
(Image removed from quote.)

and the 69" Herter's again with a 64" Ben Pearson and 62" Pearson:
(Image removed from quote.)

and another nice Ben Pearson
(Image removed from quote.)

Impressive Craftsmanship.

[Grathr]

I've been making selfbows and wood composites for over 20 years.

some old pics, but it's all I got right now:

Osage/bamboo composite with cane grip
(Image removed from quote.)

A nice little 64" osage hunting bow with cane grip and green leather strike plate.
(Image removed from quote.)

The top one is a hickory/lemonwood (degame)/black walnut composite bow. Bottom one is a white oak longbow I made for my wife. You can see the size difference in the handles. Handles are wrapped in cane which I like..it's weatherpoof and won't wear out.
(Image removed from quote.)

osage kiddy bow
(Image removed from quote.)

Osage kiddy bow handle with floppy leather arrow rest.
(Image removed from quote.)


Made some cedar arrows
(Image removed from quote.)

I also have some vintage recurves. Here's a 1960s Herter's target bow, 69" long
(Image removed from quote.)

and the 69" Herter's again with a 64" Ben Pearson and 62" Pearson:
(Image removed from quote.)

and another nice Ben Pearson
(Image removed from quote.)

Impressive Craftsmanship.

+1 Very impressive!


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[NKlamerus]

My hunting setup, tool forever to find a bow that could hold a 32" draw.

Matthews Solocam.

72Lbs draw with 86% Let Off. (Once drawn, I only hold roughly 10 pounds)

Using a Tru-Glow 5 pin sight. With a Whisper Biscuit.

36" Maxima Weight Forward Carbon arrows with 100 grain tips and 2" Blazer Vanes. I also use lighted Knocks.

Your looking at Lighted Pins. I will never regret the hundred and fifty USD I spent on them alone.

The workhorse. I feel extremely comfortable shooting a 55 yard shot in a 4" pattern. But I'd much rather shoot 25

[HarleyXJGuy]

Nice bow Klammy.

[Chako]

shamus, those are beautiful bows. 

NKlamerus, that looks like a good hunting setup.

[NKlamerus]

Nice bow Klammy.

Thanks yall. I haven't been able to use it much unfortunately, I only really hunted PowerLines this year. Only shot at 2 bucks and both were walking broadside 275 yards away! Missed both of them!

shamus, those are beautiful bows. 

NKlamerus, that looks like a good hunting setup.

[Grant Lamontagne]

32" draw?  What are you, almost seven feet tall?

That's a big dang bow!

Def

[Grant Lamontagne]

Here's my awesome bow.





Horrible and pathetic but smurfloads of fun to shoot.   It's got all of about a ten or fifteen pound draw which makes it pretty safe.   I'm sure if I tried hunting with it any arrow I fire will bounce harmlessly off squirrels.

But I can keep it in the bank of the Jeep and not worry about the fiberglass being adversely affected by temperature changes or throwing my work boots on it.

Def

[Grant Lamontagne]

Let me guess....

Everyone is too busy shaking their heads at my pathetic bow that no one can comment? 

Def

[Gareth]

I was just about too, honest.   Actually I think you can have just about as much fun with a low poundage bow as with something stronger.  Lower your expectations on range and hitting power and take pleasure in being accurate and it's every bit as good as anything else.

[Grant Lamontagne]

I have no expectations regarding range or power with this bow, that's for sure!

I found this bow on Amazon where the seller claims it to be anywhere between 10 to 18 pounds, so a little more powerful than I thought.  Even so I doubt I'll be entering any championships with it!

The nice thing about such a low power bow is that I can buy the cheapest arrows I can find and not worry in the slightest about breakage.  Megan's bow chewed through some cheap arrows like they were nothing, while I could still fire damaged and broken arrows without a care in the world.

Until the horrible accuracy sent my last arrow into the woods, never to be seen again rather than into the snowbank I was aiming at.

Def

[Grathr]

I would love to have something similar to throw in the back of my car too. But preferably with a little more poundage.


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[Grathr]

Speaking of bows to throw in the car.
I have been considering to get a cheap take down bow in the #40 range to take with me on short hikes and in the car on trips.
Have anyone got any experience with the Samick Red Fox?


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[Chako]

Grant, my old school used those for archery in the gym. They aren't all that bad for what they are. With that said, I would still be cautious flinging damaged arrows.

Samick makes good stuff. I have no experience with the Red Fox other than a photo I just found. It does look beautiful. 

[HarleyXJGuy]

I have no expectations regarding range or power with this bow, that's for sure!

I found this bow on Amazon where the seller claims it to be anywhere between 10 to 18 pounds, so a little more powerful than I thought.  Even so I doubt I'll be entering any championships with it!

The nice thing about such a low power bow is that I can buy the cheapest arrows I can find and not worry in the slightest about breakage.  Megan's bow chewed through some cheap arrows like they were nothing, while I could still fire damaged and broken arrows without a care in the world.

Until the horrible accuracy sent my last arrow into the woods, never to be seen again rather than into the snowbank I was aiming at.

Def

Or you could just sell me some of your MT's and SAK's to fund your arrow supplies. 

[Grant Lamontagne]

I'm always open to offers.....

Def