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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1110 on: August 15, 2019, 12:08:57 AM
I have these Leatherman tools.  Anyone know why are the blades different.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1111 on: August 15, 2019, 12:16:28 AM
ABURABURA, please edit your post. We do not allow solicitation in our forums. If you want to sell an item list it in the appropriate forum which is the B&S and list a price.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1112 on: August 15, 2019, 01:30:19 AM
Quote from: SteveC on August 15, 2019, 12:16:28 AM
ABURABURA, please edit your post. We do not allow solicitation in our forums. If you want to sell an item list it in the appropriate forum which is the B&S and list a price.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1113 on: August 15, 2019, 03:01:54 AM
Quote from: ABURABURA on August 15, 2019, 12:08:57 AM
I have these Leatherman tools.  Anyone know why are the blades different.

Check out the date stamps and the table in the first post in this thread  - That should help
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1114 on: November 14, 2019, 01:19:45 PM
Just picked this up, 0996 and 0197 so assuming its a 96/97 pst. It also has durr dental so assuming some promotional item maybe?

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1115 on: November 14, 2019, 01:54:50 PM
Nice PST cb and welcome to the forum !   :cheers:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1116 on: November 14, 2019, 02:12:53 PM
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1117 on: November 14, 2019, 05:54:02 PM
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1118 on: November 25, 2019, 12:50:07 PM
Quote from: cbhargrave on November 14, 2019, 01:19:45 PM
Just picked this up, 0996 and 0197 so assuming its a 96/97 pst. It also has durr dental so assuming some promotional item maybe?(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1119 on: January 11, 2020, 08:11:20 PM
Hi guys,

I've just noticed the following difference on the PST handles at the pliers ends.

The lower one is dated...
blank/0793

The middle one is dated...
0696/0896

The upper one is dated...
0197/0297

It seems that somewhere between 07 '93 and 06 '96 the cut-out for the pliers locking area has been widened.

Is this somehow of interest to this project?
I couldn't find this info in the data-table on page one  :salute:

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1120 on: January 11, 2020, 08:13:48 PM
Great observation  :cheers:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1121 on: January 11, 2020, 08:15:29 PM
Uh... also just seen on the data-sheet that they started the BO treatment on the PST after '93.
Do I read that correctly?

One of my BO's is 07 '93
So that could be dated down a bit then  :hatsoff:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1122 on: January 11, 2020, 08:17:47 PM
Quote from: Rapidray on January 11, 2020, 08:13:48 PM
Great observation  :cheers:

Thanks Ray... had my glasses on today   :D
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1123 on: January 11, 2020, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: McStitchy on January 11, 2020, 08:11:20 PM
It seems that somewhere between 07 '93 and 06 '96 the cut-out for the pliers locking area has been widened.

More precisely:
XX83 - 0395 - narrow slot for pliers on handles
0495 - 1004 (0717) - wide slot for pliers on handles
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1124 on: January 11, 2020, 08:40:13 PM
Thanks wowaboro :tu:

And would you have any idea about the earliest BO PST versions maybe?
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1125 on: January 11, 2020, 09:14:54 PM
Quote from: McStitchy on January 11, 2020, 08:17:47 PM
Thanks Ray... had my glasses on today   :D
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1126 on: January 11, 2020, 09:36:06 PM
Quote from: McStitchy on January 11, 2020, 08:40:13 PM
And would you have any idea about the earliest BO PST versions maybe?

I think earliest BO PSTs were made around 1986, at least in my collection the oldest BO PSTs (USA and Japan made) from that period.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1127 on: January 11, 2020, 11:19:04 PM
Cheers wowaboro  :cheers:

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1128 on: January 11, 2020, 11:52:23 PM
Neat stuff!
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1129 on: January 12, 2020, 12:27:50 AM
Quote from: McStitchy on January 11, 2020, 08:11:20 PM
Hi guys,
I've just noticed the following difference on the PST handles at the pliers ends.
......
It seems that somewhere between 07 '93 and 06 '96 the cut-out for the pliers locking area has been widened.
Is this somehow of interest to this project?
I couldn't find this info in the data-table on page one 
Quote from: wowaboro on January 11, 2020, 08:31:37 PM
More precisely:
XX83 - 0395 - narrow slot for pliers on handles
0495 - 1004 (0717) - wide slot for pliers on handles

Great detail guys.
Is it just the slot that widened or the plier head itself? - I assume just the slot.
I'll get the sheet updated if I can.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1130 on: January 12, 2020, 01:27:42 AM
Hey Huntsman,

the plier head should have the same thickness.
Maybe a slightly different shape at the part that locks to the handle  :dunno:

Thanks for updating the sheet  :hatsoff:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1131 on: January 12, 2020, 02:31:06 AM
Thanks McS

Yes I had a look at mine - And saw the same overall thickness, but the 'lug' that locates into the handles is wider to match the wider 'slot'

Wow - What a subtle change!!
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1132 on: January 12, 2020, 05:00:27 AM
Quote from: McStitchy on January 11, 2020, 08:11:20 PM
Hi guys,

I've just noticed the following difference on the PST handles at the pliers ends.

The lower one is dated...
blank/0793

The middle one is dated...
0696/0896

The upper one is dated...
0197/0297

It seems that somewhere between 07 '93 and 06 '96 the cut-out for the pliers locking area has been widened.

Is this somehow of interest to this project?
I couldn't find this info in the data-table on page one  :salute:

Good observation.   :tu:   Yes it is of interest. It may not be in this thread but I'm fairly certain this has been brought up in the past.     :)
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1133 on: January 12, 2020, 10:22:25 AM
Quote from: Huntsman on January 12, 2020, 02:31:06 AM
Thanks McS

Yes I had a look at mine - And saw the same overall thickness, but the 'lug' that locates into the handles is wider to match the wider 'slot'

Wow - What a subtle change!!

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1134 on: January 12, 2020, 10:27:04 AM
Quote from: David on January 12, 2020, 05:00:27 AM
Good observation.   :tu:   Yes it is of interest. It may not be in this thread but I'm fairly certain this has been brought up in the past.     :)

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I took me a week to discover it on my PST's though  ::)  :D
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1135 on: February 07, 2020, 06:13:27 PM
Lots and lost of great info here on the Leatherman PST.

I've always been fascinated with information about the early days of the company, and the original sales orders that were placed by Cabela's and Early Winters.  Those tools have been discussed (and shown) here, but I've seen very little about in the form of actual production numbers for those contracts. Just exactly how many tools were sold by Cabela's and Early Winters in those early days?  I ran across some of that some information in a book titled "Inventors at Work: The Minds and Motivation Behind Modern Inventions" by Brett Stern (Apress; 1st ed. edition October 15, 2012).  Chapter 14 of the book focuses on Tim Leatherman and takes the form of an interview between him and the author.  I won't quote the text verbatim, but here is a summary of some of the the numbers:

Cabela's
-Original order for the Leatherman Pocket Survival Tool was placed on 5/26/1983
-Order quantity was for 500 tools at a unit cost of $24.00 each, for a total order amount of $12,000.00
-Delivery date of tools to Cabela's was set for December 1983.
-Cabela's sold their 500 tools quickly and quickly placed reorders

Early Winters
-Original order for the Leatherman PST placed while Cabela's order was in production (Summer 1983)
-Initial order quantity was 250 tools
-Delivery date of tools to Early Winters was set for December 1983
-Approximately 12/28/1983 Early Winters called Leatherman to inquire about their order.  The 250 tools had all been pre-sold and they submitted a second order for 500 more units.
-The first week of January 1984 Early Winters submitted a third order for an additional 750 tools.
-In late January 1984 Early Winters submitted a fourth order for an additional 1,000 tools.

The first year that Leatherman was in production (1983-1984) their goal was to produced 4,000 tools.  In the end they made and sold almost 30,000 tools!
The following year (1984-1985) they sold 70,000 tools

While the Cabela's and Early Winters Leatherman tools remain scarce and sought-after today, we now have a better feel for the quantities of tools that were produced and sold in those early years.

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1136 on: February 07, 2020, 08:39:56 PM
Great info :cheers: :like: Thanks for sharing :tu:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1137 on: February 07, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
Great post Mr. Co-pilot - Thanks so much for this - Fascinating stuff

Love the TL and LM early days stories!!
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1138 on: February 07, 2020, 09:52:29 PM
Great information indeed  :like:

I’ve come across the book before and found some interesting info on how they went big and then small with their next MTs.

We really should start a list of these books and historical references. Sept 1997 Field & Steam is another one I need to find in print form:

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #1139 on: February 07, 2020, 11:12:48 PM
Thank you very much CoPilot. That's very interesting indeed  :tu: :like:
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