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Leatherman PST chronology project 163589

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #60 on: July 31, 2008, 06:35:46 AM »
Hey fellers, I have to leave for a couple days. I haven't gotten a chance to check out Woofer's spreadsheet yet. I also haven't checked out Joe's yet, and he sent it to me yesterday. :P

This project is exciting. Keep the fire burning under it until I get back on Saturday please. I'll have some more info to add then. :)

Bob


Oh, and somebody poke Benner and Def, I know they've got PST's and haven't reported in yet :pok: :pok: :D


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #61 on: July 31, 2008, 07:12:15 AM »
Okay now thats a combination that I haven't seen before RZ. A "Japan" knife blade combined with handles that say "LEATHERMAN TOOL" and have an inch-only ruler.

I'd always assumed that my LM Tool was made in Japan and never thought any less of it for that.

Since there's no USA stamp on it anywhere, but there is that "JAPAN" stamped on the blade tang, I always thought the whole thing was made in Japan.

But, you say that only the blade was made in Japan and the rest of it was made in the USA?


Well now that's an interesting theory. Maybe only the knife blade was made in Japan? Could be! :-\



Hey RZ, just to be clear, is the LEATHERMAN  stamped in large letter font on your handle? Or small letter font?




No, no, no!  That's not my theory.  Someone - thought it was you - wrote about LM importing just the blades from Japan.

I've always assumed that my LM Tool was made in Japan.

The "LEATHERMAN" is stamped in a much bigger font than the "TOOL" on my LM Tool.

.



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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #62 on: July 31, 2008, 02:26:07 PM »
Hey fellers, I have to leave for a couple days. I haven't gotten a chance to check out Woofer's spreadsheet yet. I also haven't checked out Joe's yet, and he sent it to me yesterday. :P

This project is exciting. Keep the fire burning under it until I get back on Saturday please. I'll have some more info to add then. :)

Bob


Oh, and somebody poke Benner and Def, I know they've got PST's and haven't reported in yet :pok: :pok: :D



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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2008, 05:17:26 PM »
Couple of snaps.

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2008, 04:31:12 AM »
 :o Guess they had to do that on several of the plier heads :pok: I would have hated to have been the guy who had that job :P :D Good pics there MM :salute: ;) :D

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2008, 07:21:38 AM »
I've got another PST on the way, will dutifully update when it arrives.  :salute:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2008, 04:50:20 PM »
I'm know I'm late to the party Bob, but heres my PSTs.....


Got 'em, thanks Prime. :)

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #67 on: August 06, 2008, 04:17:09 AM »
NEWS BULLETIN:

Uh-oh. Looks like we've got to totally revamp the chronology in the first post, based on the information received in this thread HERE

 :P :D

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #68 on: August 07, 2008, 03:33:06 AM »
Instead of listing everything I just took a few comparison pics. The one that is dated is # 0495.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #69 on: August 07, 2008, 04:59:06 AM »
I do like those big font LEATHERMAN models. :)

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2008, 07:17:38 AM »
PST #6
•   Rivets or knurled screws?
Rivets
•   Lanyard attachment?
Yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Old
•   LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
Yes, neither
•   A hard wire cutter notch?
No
•   Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
LEATHERMAN TOOL, REG'D TM 1325473
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch
•   Date codes? What are they?
N/A
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point?
Drop Point
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
Leatherman Japan
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #71 on: August 09, 2008, 04:58:39 AM »
PST #6
•   Rivets or knurled screws?
Rivets
•   Lanyard attachment?
Yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Old
•   LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
Yes, neither
•   A hard wire cutter notch?
No
•   Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
LEATHERMAN TOOL, REG'D TM 1325473
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch
•   Date codes? What are they?
N/A
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point?
Drop Point
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
Leatherman Japan

Sounds like someone got a little something special in the mail today! 8)

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #72 on: August 09, 2008, 05:19:56 AM »
PST #6
•   Rivets or knurled screws?
Rivets
•   Lanyard attachment?
Yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Old
•   LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
Yes, neither
•   A hard wire cutter notch?
No
•   Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
LEATHERMAN TOOL, REG'D TM 1325473
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch
•   Date codes? What are they?
N/A
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point?
Drop Point
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
Leatherman Japan
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #73 on: August 09, 2008, 06:46:47 PM »
Hmm. Unsure if it's effective use of time to update the compilation I started, in light of the fact that so many of the parts seem to depend on which parts were most readily available rather than consistent design choices.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #74 on: August 09, 2008, 10:28:49 PM »
Hmm. Unsure if it's effective use of time to update the compilation I started, in light of the fact that so many of the parts seem to depend on which parts were most readily available rather than consistent design choices.

The new info from Tim Leatherman really turns this project on its head doesn't it? :-\

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #75 on: August 10, 2008, 01:53:37 AM »
@ least nobody thought we were close to finishing before he dropped the bomb about the PSTs ::) :D

Man if the project was coming to an end when we got that info then the whole thing would have to have been thrown out the window  :( @ least now some of it can be salvaged :cheers: ;)

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #76 on: August 10, 2008, 09:29:56 AM »
The collected information is most useful if you look at it from a perspective of "Where did LM get its supplies?" stance rather than "What did LM intentionally change?" position.

I had to admit, I kind of wish there were solid design considerations in the move from drop point to saber/clip point blades rather than have the reason be a simple supplier variance. :(
Major changes across the product line like the fat plier heads are so few and far between.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #77 on: August 10, 2008, 01:26:13 PM »
True, but there were a few purposeful evolutionary changes:

The addition of date coding in November '92
The addition of a hardwire notch to the wire cutter
The addition of the lanyard attachment
Others?


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #78 on: August 10, 2008, 04:20:16 PM »
So according to Tim, the riveted tools are actually a parallel line on the PST family tree, not a sequential developement. (Which clears up a lot of confusion obviously.) So now I'm trying to re-write the chronology, but the question is, where to start??

I've been told that the first PST's did not have a lanyard attachment, and Tim tells us that they were made in USA with knurled screws, so therefore it seems as if either of these could have been the starting point:



Cabelas, Smitty44

•   Knurled screw construction
•   No lanyard attachment
•   Small diameter plier pivot
•   Only LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot
•   No hard wire cutter notch
•   One handle stamped: LEATHERMAN TOOL, US PAT 4238862, PORTLAND OR
•   Other handle marked CABELAS
•   Inch ruler only, no metric
•   No date codes
•   Drop point knife blade
•   Knife tang not stamped (etched LEATHERMAN USA)
•   Milled awl blade
•   Off center screwdrivers pivot IN
•   Can opener has left hand cut



J-sews #1

•   Knurled screw construction
•   No lanyard attachment
•   Small diameter plier pivot
•   LEATHERMAN USA cast into plier pivot
•   No hard wire cutter notch
•   One handle stamped: LEATHERMAN TOOL, US PAT 4238862, PORTLAND OR
•   Other handle stamped POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL
•   Inch ruler only, no metric
•   No date codes
•   Drop point knife blade
•   Knife tang stamped LEATHERMAN USA
•   Milled awl blade
•   Off center screwdrivers pivot IN
•   Can opener has left hand cut


Earliest generation PST's? What do you guys think?

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #79 on: August 11, 2008, 03:56:22 AM »
 :o It is very possible J-sews that yours is as old :) What is the story of how you got that 1 or have you probably already told it :think: Seems to fit the bill as an old original PST though :cheers:

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #80 on: August 12, 2008, 04:40:16 AM »
Well I am thinking that Smitty's is older, because the plier head on his only says LEATHERMAN, whereas the one pictured below that says LEATHERMAN USA. Plus Smitty was fairly certain that he purchased his PST in 1983, the year they were introduced.

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #81 on: August 13, 2008, 04:38:12 AM »
Okay, here's my latest stab at a chronology. Take a look and see if your PST(s) fit in with what I have posted here. Let me know if anything needs to be changed. When we get it right I'll post it on the Encyclopedia. :)


PST CHRONOLOGY:

1) 1983 Made in USA for Cabelas
•   Knurled screw construction
•   No lanyard attachment
•   Small diameter plier pivot
•   Only LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot
•   No hard wire cutter notch
•   One handle stamped: LEATHERMAN TOOL, US PAT 4238862, PORTLAND OR
•   Other handle marked CABELAS
•   Inch ruler only, no metric
•   No date codes
•   Drop point knife blade
•   Knife tang not stamped (blade etched LEATHERMAN USA)
•   Milled awl blade
•   Off center screwdrivers pivot IN
•   Can opener has left hand cut

2) Early to mid-1980’s
•   Knurled screw construction
•   No lanyard attachment
•   Small diameter plier pivot
•   LEATHERMAN USA cast into plier pivot
•   No hard wire cutter notch
•   One handle stamped: LEATHERMAN TOOL, US PAT 4238862, PORTLAND OR
•   Other handle stamped POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL
•   Inch ruler only, no metric
•   No date codes
•   Drop point knife blade
•   Knife tang stamped LEATHERMAN USA
•   Milled awl blade
•   Off center screwdrivers pivot IN
•   Can opener has left hand cut

3) Late 1985 – early 1989 Made in Japan concurrently
•   Riveted construction
•   Hollow base rivets
•   No lanyard attachment
•   Small diameter plier pivot
•   Staked plier pivot
•   Only LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot
•   No hard wire cutter notch
•   One handle stamped: LEATHERMAN TOOL, US PAT 4238862, PORTLAND OR
•   Other handle stamped POCKET SURVIVAL TOOL
•   Inch ruler only, no metric
•   No date codes

(Note some Japan tools appear to have handles obtained from the same source as some USA tools)
•   Drop point knife blade
•   Knife tang stamped LEATHERMAN JAPAN
•   Milled awl blade
•   Off center screwdrivers pivot IN
•   Can opener has left hand cut

(Note Japan tools appear to have several of their blades obtained from the same source as USA tools)

4) Changes to tools produced in Japan:
•   Solid base rivets
•   Lanyard attachment added
•   One handle stamped: LEATHERMAN in large font. Also stamped TOOL, US PAT 4238862 (no PORTLAND OR)
•   Other handle left blank

5) Still more Japanese changes:
•   US PAT 4238862 replaced by REG’D TM 1325473
•   Can opener has right hand cut


6) Mid-1980’s changes to USA-made tools
•   Added lanyard attachment
•   Handle stampings: US PAT 4238862 no longer appears. (LEATHERMAN TOOL, PORTLAND OR remains)
•   Other handle blank

7) Later-1980’s changes
•   Handle stampings: REG’D TM 1325473 added
•   Ruler becomes inch/metric
•   Switch to saber-clip point knife blade
•   Knife tang stamped LEATHERMAN USA
•   Ground awl blade replaces milled awl
•   Can opener switched to right hand cut

8) November 1992:
•   Date codes added

9) Mid-1990's?
•   Opposite faces of handles stamped for the first time, with LEATHERMAN TOOL
•   Clip portion of knife blade made shorter (no longer a Saber)

10) 1996
•   Hard wire notch first appears
•   Handles no longer stamped with REG’D TM number

11) 1998??
•   New off-center screwdrivers pivot OUT (0997 earliest seen)

12) 2001??
•   New plier head has larger pivot (0601 earliest seen)
•   Hard wire cutter notch has cast in indicator arrow
•   Knife tang stamped LEATHERMAN only (USA dropped)

13) 2002?
•   LEATHERMAN TOOL cast into plier pivot (USA dropped)

14) 2004
•   PST Discontinued (1004 latest date code seen)

« Last Edit: August 15, 2008, 02:21:30 AM by J-sews »

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #82 on: August 13, 2008, 10:22:40 PM »
Sorry it's late, but here is my input.

The riveted PST obviously has no date mark, but the other was made in Dec 2000.

Here's some comparison pics for you.  :)






























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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #83 on: August 14, 2008, 06:56:46 AM »
The new info in Reply 81,looks good to me Bob,and thanks for all your wisdom and work on this subject that really started the multi era. :multi:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #84 on: August 15, 2008, 02:24:59 AM »
The new info in Reply 81,looks good to me Bob,and thanks for all your wisdom and work on this subject that really started the multi era. :multi:

Thanks Chief, but I consider it was a team effort! :cheers:


Sorry it's late, but here is my input.

The riveted PST obviously has no date mark, but the other was made in Dec 2000.

Here's some comparison pics for you.  :)


Great comparison pics Ben.  :)

So referring to Reply 81, do you see your riveted tool to be a category #5 and your newer tool to be a category #11  ?

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #85 on: August 15, 2008, 03:10:07 AM »
If it helps any Bob my July 94 PST is only stamped on 1 side (not both) as per the question mark in cat 9 :) this may get you a little closer in pinpointing that as well ;)

Man that is a great timeline for the little ole PST great work there organizing it :cheers: It is sure to help identify many a PST in the future :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #86 on: August 15, 2008, 12:10:55 PM »
So referring to Reply 81, do you see your riveted tool to be a category #5 and your newer tool to be a category #11  ?

I'd say so.  :)

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #87 on: August 16, 2008, 10:57:56 PM »
....(Note some Japan tools appear to have handles obtained from the same source as some USA tools)....

....(Note Japan tools appear to have several of their blades obtained from the same source as USA tools)....


Could these simply be warranty repairs? I.e. they were made in Japan, but were repaired in Portland?

Difficult isn't it?


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #88 on: August 17, 2008, 12:50:58 AM »
....(Note some Japan tools appear to have handles obtained from the same source as some USA tools)....

....(Note Japan tools appear to have several of their blades obtained from the same source as USA tools)....


Could these simply be warranty repairs? I.e. they were made in Japan, but were repaired in Portland?


Hmmm, could be, but I don't think so. Check out the two below for instance. Top one is riveted, made in Japan. Bottom one is knurl screwed, made in USA. Look closely. The handles and plier heads came from distinctly different stamping and casting dies. Not surprising.





Now look at the blades and drivers. The weird left-hand can opener, all the screwdrivers, and the knife blade are identical, right down to the grind marks. And it seems as if all the early PST's are this way, whether they are made in Japan or made in USA. So thats why I suggest these blades and tools came from the same source.  :-\
« Last Edit: August 17, 2008, 01:17:12 AM by J-sews »

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #89 on: August 17, 2008, 01:12:05 AM »
Yeah I see what you mean..

We need to know form Tim. Did Portland ship some parts to the place in Japan. Or did they send dies? Or was some assembly of Japanese parts done in Portland?

Or something else?



 

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