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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #90 on: August 17, 2008, 08:49:20 AM
 ??? That's why I thought originally that they were all at least put together in Portland :think: still after an in depth answer from Tim LM and there are still alot of questions :( Well back on the case  :D so to speak ::)


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #91 on: September 18, 2008, 04:42:37 AM
....updated the very first post with the latest version of the timeline....
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #92 on: September 20, 2008, 06:10:54 AM
Thanks for the update Bob,looks real good,I was going to mod my Cabelas PST,and my PSTII by putting the the drop point blade and milled awl on the PSTII,but I think I'll hold off now,and keep it original. :salute:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #93 on: September 20, 2008, 03:07:02 PM
Thanks for the update Bob,looks real good,I was going to mod my Cabelas PST,and my PSTII by putting the the drop point blade and milled awl on the PSTII,but I think I'll hold off now,and keep it original. :salute:

Eeeek! :o  Don't you dare mod that old PST chief! Sell it to me first, I'll get you a different one to mod! :police: :D
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #94 on: September 20, 2008, 03:16:11 PM
Thanks for the update Bob,looks real good,I was going to mod my Cabelas PST,and my PSTII by putting the the drop point blade and milled awl on the PSTII,but I think I'll hold off now,and keep it original. :salute:
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #95 on: September 22, 2008, 08:30:35 AM
#1 Rivets or knurled screws? - rivets
•   Lanyard attachment? - yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot? - OLD small diameter
•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL? - with USA
•   A hard wire cutter notch? - no
•   Handles stamped with what?  LEATHERMAN TOOL    PORTLAND OR.  on opposite faces of handles
•   Date codes? - 01/99
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?) - shorter clipped area
•   Knife blade tang stamped - LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN? = USA
•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?  don't understand

#2. Rivets or knurled screws? - rivets
•   Lanyard attachment? - yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?  OLD smaller diameter
•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL? USA
•   A hard wire cutter notch? - no
•   Handles stamped with what? LEATHERMAN TOOL    PORTLAND OR.  on opposite faces of handles
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?  inch / metric
•   Date codes?   11-99
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)    shorter clipped area
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN?  USA
•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?  -  don't understand


#3. Rivets or knurled screws?  -  rivets
•   Lanyard attachment? yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?   OLD
•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL?  USA
•   A hard wire cutter notch? NO
•   Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples) ( top line)Leatherman Tool - (bottom line )US REG TM 1325473  Portland OR.........ONLY ON ONE SIDE - ONLY ON ONE HANDLE
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?  Inch / Metric
•   Date codes?  NONE
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)   -  Saber
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN?  - USA
•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?   -  don't understand
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #96 on: September 22, 2008, 09:15:29 AM
Couple of snaps.

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This is going back to my 1977 U S Customs Inspector training so bear with me on this explanation..  I would "guess" an US Customs Inspector got a hold of a shipments of  PST's that were coming back from a Japan assembly facility and refused entry because LM had been forged with "USA "on the head of the pliers.  ( Did the head get made in the USA or was the head forged in Japan and marked USA ?). The PST's  were probably denied entry into the USA because LM did not have proof they were forged in USA and sent to Japan for assembly. The plier head was was probably manufactured in the USA and sent over to Japan for assembly ( sloppy record keeping prevented LM from provoing this fact)- it was marked  forged "LEATHERMAN USA"". Hence, a greater percentage of the final product was in materials made and labor costs to assemble the PST's  in Japan  vs just the cost of the plier head that was made in the USA and sent over to Japan for assembly.  So U S Customs applies a formula based on what was sent to Japan vs what parts were made in Japan  + cost of assembly and they ruled that over 50% of the value in the merchandise was coming from Japan and so the PST could not be marked USA. So to fix the problem the PST's went into a U S Customs Bonded warehouse ( probably Seattle) and some one sat with a carbide metal cutting bit on a Dremal tools and removed the forged USA from the PST plier heads. Now LM has to properly label the either 'made in' OR 'assembled in' Japan and put gummed stickers on the tools and boxes, if they were shipped that way, before U S Customs would release them to Leatherman. There should be aUS Customs  "remarking order" on file at the Port Of Entry ( Seattle)  that these PST's came into  which would explain exactly in detail what if any problem existed , and all documentaion was processed with the case. That’s about all I can tell you about marking / remarking imported merchandise. One option the importer has ( provided they are not fakes or counterfeit merchandise is to export the merchandise to the country the shipment came from withoutgoing through the remarking effort). Then they can go back to Japan and it's between LM and the factory what happens to the PST's.

Hope this helps, of course there may have been other reasons, but I can't think of one right now
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #97 on: September 22, 2008, 01:08:14 PM
Was there not some crazy Californian law or reg that lead to Leatherman getting ride of the USA on there tools ? Gotta love lawyers >:(

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #98 on: September 22, 2008, 01:21:18 PM
Was there not some crazy Californian law or reg that lead to Leatherman getting ride of the USA on there tools ? Gotta love lawyers >:(

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #99 on: September 22, 2008, 01:25:00 PM
Was there not some crazy Californian law or reg that lead to Leatherman getting ride of the USA on there tools ? Gotta love lawyers >:(

All is revealed here http://tushnet.blogspot.com/2006/02/born-in-usa-but-not-stamped-here.html
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #100 on: September 27, 2008, 05:06:05 AM
Mine is stamped 0397, and the philips head goes deep inside the hand (I'm assuming that's pivot-in?), as does the slim flat. The wider flat and mini flat is pivot-out though... ???

My lanyard attachment goes crooked out. Does anybody else have this?
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #101 on: September 27, 2008, 01:29:24 PM
Mine is stamped 0397, and the philips head goes deep inside the hand (I'm assuming that's pivot-in?), as does the slim flat.

Yup - that's right.

The wider flat and mini flat is pivot-out though... ???

That's normal.

My lanyard attachment goes crooked out. Does anybody else have this?

Do you mean it's sticking out sideways maybe? That's cool too, just get another multi, grip it firmly and twist it into the position you want it. There's no locking notch or anything on the PST so it will just trun with encouragement. This is a prime example of why only owning one MT is not sufficient :D

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #102 on: September 28, 2008, 09:49:40 PM
If they come out,a couple pic's of my youngest sons BO PST dated 1293,he picked it up at Fort Knox in Jul of 94,when he was training to be a Army Scout. :salute:

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #103 on: September 29, 2008, 03:58:01 AM
Yep, they came out just fine. 8)


Do you know if that PST was army issued, or did your boy buy it himself?
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #104 on: September 29, 2008, 05:56:53 AM



Do you know if that PST was army issued, or did your boy buy it himself?
[/quote]He bought it at the post exchange,his DI had one,so he thought he might need one too,and after reading the rest of these post,he's glad that he did. :salute:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #105 on: October 05, 2008, 05:17:12 AM
Very nice lookin BO PST he has there :drool: :D


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #106 on: October 10, 2008, 01:25:45 AM
I thought I'd update all my PST info, given that I virtually doubled my collection yesterday!

I think this amounts to about 11 different variations, although some of the variation is quite subtle.

Here's the tools:



and here's all the details:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pORM7dlNnZgl-i-r3upmzew

In here tools 2 and 4 are the same, and 9 and 10 are the same, but otherwise each tool has at least one "unique" feature.

I'm not sure if there's anything in there that contradicts what we've established so far - I'm too tired to trust my observations by now  :P

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #107 on: October 10, 2008, 01:37:12 AM
Dave. This is important. I need your address. TELL ME IF YOU WANT TO LIVE. :ahhh
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #108 on: October 10, 2008, 01:40:55 AM
Nope.

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #109 on: October 10, 2008, 01:45:28 AM
... how did you see through my ploy? ???
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #110 on: October 10, 2008, 01:46:47 AM
Oh, I'm just very perceptive I guess :D

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #111 on: October 10, 2008, 05:32:25 AM
Good lord man you've cornered the market on those riveted versions! :o



Hmmm, I need to study that spreadsheet a bit and see how it compares to The Project.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #112 on: October 10, 2008, 05:47:45 AM
Dave you just got the catch of a life time,congrates &  :cheers:now you are making the rest of us  :drool:,enjoy. :salute:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #113 on: October 10, 2008, 06:07:34 AM
 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh More pics to tease us Dave :pok: Now which 1 is mine again ::) :D No really :pok: :D Man you sure got a lot of PSTs now :o Amazing how many variations you have and there are probably more  :ahhh Kind of mind boggling isn't it ;) :D :D :D


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #114 on: October 10, 2008, 02:24:26 PM
Poncho - I was truly amazed at the number of variations in there, and I agree that the mind does boggle at what might still be out there that we haven't "identified" yet.

The latest batch I bought were to some extent a known quantity, i.e. I knew at least that they were riveted, or had no branding on the handles, or no lanyard attachment. I also bought the one with "USA" ground out as a known quantity (thanks Appletree Man). Kwakster very kindly supplied me with the Stainless Cap Crimper model too, but the others were just random, speculative acquisitions.

If I have 11 variations on that basis, then there's sure to be other variations we don't know about - must be.

Bob - I will also comparing my list to the "known" list at some point, hopefully over this weekend. I'm pretty sure there are some differences, but it was late last night by the time I had finished, and was too tired to trust my judgement by then!

I hope there are some new things - that would make it a "proper" collection!#

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #115 on: October 15, 2008, 07:19:00 PM
There are also variations of the Japan stamped knife blade
the lenght of the knife blade,the nail nick and the stamping  :-\
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #116 on: October 15, 2008, 07:21:47 PM
There are also variations of the Japan stamped knife blade
the lenght of the knife blade,the nail nick and the stamping  :-\

Blimey.

So that's "Leatherman Japan", "Japan Leatherman" and simply "Leatherman" on the riveted tools then?

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #117 on: October 15, 2008, 07:55:28 PM
There are also variations of the Japan stamped knife blade
the lenght of the knife blade,the nail nick and the stamping  :-\

Blimey.

So that's "Leatherman Japan", "Japan Leatherman" and simply "Leatherman" on the riveted tools then?




I am not sure, but those are the three variations i have


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #118 on: October 15, 2008, 08:17:20 PM
Ok - the one with "Japan Leatherman" - how exactly is the patent number written on the handles?

I have noticed this pattern you see:

Patent TextBlade Tang
REG'D TM 1325473Leatherman Japan
US REG'D TM 1325473Leatherman
???3Japan Leatherman

This pattern seems to hold good on the tools I've seen in this site, but this is different again!

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
Reply #119 on: October 15, 2008, 09:11:13 PM
Ok - the one with "Japan Leatherman" - how exactly is the patent number written on the handles?

I have noticed this pattern you see:

Patent TextBlade Tang
REG'D TM 1325473Leatherman Japan
US REG'D TM 1325473Leatherman
???3Japan Leatherman

This pattern seems to hold good on the tools I've seen in this site, but this is different again!





Patent Text                       Blade Tang
REG'D TM 1325473              Leatherman Japan
US REG'D TM 1325473          Leatherman
US PAT 4238862                 Japan Leatherman


 

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