Wenger Locking System

[Caranthanus]

Wenger 85mm - Packlock


close up - blade closed


blade in closed position, blade removed for better view:


blade opened and locked:


pressing down the button pushes to backspring, while blade in locking position:


closing the blade while button is pushed down:


blade unlocked - in half position:


almost done


Closed:


That's it

[kosmo]

These kinds of post are great information.  Thanks. 

[Caranthanus]

These kinds of post are great information.  Thanks. 

[SAK Guy]

A most excellent post my Wenger savvy friend!!!!!!! 

[Gareth]

Nice.

[derekmac]

Very nice!!


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[MadPlumbarian]

Well that answers my question on the system, thanks for the info!
JR

[magentus]

Good post Caranthanus 

That's a nice model too. Are you on your way to making it into something new?

[Etherealicer]

Thanks for those close-ups, very interesting.

[Caranthanus]

Thank you all, guys ... my pleasure

[Caranthanus]

That's a nice model too. Are you on your way to making it into something new?

Well, yes and no
The 2/3 serrated blade would be almost for sure for another Journeydack , but there is, in fact, a work in progress for a new one, kind of almost perfect Wenger, as all you know, Wenger has no hook

[SAK Guy]

[neillcurrie]

The locking Wengers are great tools I think. I seldom "need" the lock, but it's nice to have. It adds so little to the complexity of the knife, and has just slight accessibility to the scissors nail nick as a downside. I guess the tab might catch on fabric in a tight pocket too, but that has never happened to me personally.

[ColoSwiss]

Interesting shots. Thanks! 

[Mr. Whippy]

That's a great series of photos.

I have always wondered how the Wenger lock actually worked.  My S557 is one of my favorites.

[Caranthanus]

Thanks fellas I'm glad it was helpful

[Caranthanus]

The above mentioned Wenger fatty is "on attention" and ready for presentation, so I would like to introduce it. As it is somehow close to "Colonel/Oberst", but for sure of higher rank I decided to name it "Generalmajor" (Major-general)



Generalmajor (on top)  vs  Wenger s557 (below)



Generalmajor (on top)  vs  "My Troubleshooter" or any Troubleshooter (below)



Stand at Ease ...

 

[SAK Guy]

The above mentioned Wenger fatty is "on attention" and ready for presentation, so I would like to introduce it. As it is somehow close to "Colonel/Oberst", but for sure of higher rank I decided to name it "Generalmajor" (Major-general)
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Generalmajor (on top)  vs  Wenger s557 (below)
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Generalmajor (on top)  vs  "My Troubleshooter" or any Troubleshooter (below)
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Stand at Ease ...
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Wow, it is the very model of a modern major general.......    

[Caranthanus]

Wow, it is the very model of a modern major general.......    

Would totally agree on Wow
Generalmajor is, in fact, a "swisschamp" in small package, unfortunately with no hook  
Btw, everyone has scissors on keychain, right?

[cbl51]

Is it just me, or does it seem that the lock is not all that deep and secure?

I worry that the lock will be a source of false confidence and an accident waiting to happen. But then, I am mistrustful of blade locks, and just prefer a slip joint and some care when using.

[smiller43147]

I think your concern is justified.  I've only owned one Wenger with the locking blade, and it didn't take all that much to close it up without pressing the unlock tab. 

Full disclosure, I obtained this sak used, but it doesn't appear abused.

[SAK Guy]

I just consider it as an extra margin of safety on a slip joint, not a fail safe lock. Correct slip joint etiquette remains in full force.

[Caranthanus]

Is it just me, or does it seem that the lock is not all that deep and secure?

I worry that the lock will be a source of false confidence and an accident waiting to happen. But then, I am mistrustful of blade locks, and just prefer a slip joint and some care when using.

I would say, and btw that's the fact about all feelings (confidence not excluded, of course), it's just You
Someone's confidence/false confidence appeals to something/someone. So, in this case you appeals to SAK's locking mechanism to do/not to do something. What? What do you expect from those mechanism? It has its purpose, as SAK Guy has indicated, and on that purpose you can rest assured the locking mechanism would act (had act) in a proper way. If you put the confidence to something for something that you already know is not the purpose of that thing, that is not confidence, but is at least (and to put it midly) overconfidence

[Caranthanus]

I think your concern is justified.  I've only owned one Wenger with the locking blade, and it didn't take all that much to close it up without pressing the unlock tab. 

Full disclosure, I obtained this sak used, but it doesn't appear abused.

This is another case, when someone talks about his feelings rather then about the facts of the thing in question. In this case, how something appears to you. Perceiving something in one way, in fact, doesn't mean that those specific thing exist in that way; it could, but also could not. The only way to find out details on something specific, is to examine that specific thing.
There exist the possibility that your SAK hasn't been abused, but if so, it is for sure somehow defective, misaligned and so on, as I've tried (with unreasonable/excessive force for that task) to close several 85mm Wengers (including my two mods) and neither of them had closed without pushing the unlock button.

To cut the matter short: Wenger (85mm) packlock mechanism Rocks!

[smiller43147]

Not sure what you're talking about.  Not talking about any "feelings".  Just relating some anecdotal evidence relevant to the subject at hand. 

So, I've got 1 locking Wenger that doesn't lock up, and you have 2 that do.  That's 67% reliable as I do the math.  Perhaps it's just my "feelings", but that doesn't give me a lot of confidence in that design.

[Caranthanus]

 
Evidence of some specific thing is, in fact, the evidence of that specific thing.
Someone's relatings of current perceptions of some (one) specific thing to other similar things are, in fact, feelings/emotions. And, btw, "the confidence" is feeling/emotion - conscious subjective experience of emotion

I've tried (with unreasonable/excessive force for that task) to close several 85mm Wengers (including my two mods) and neither of them had closed without pushing the unlock button.

"Several" in the specific case means more than 10 Wenger 85mm packlocks, but for the purpose of easier understanding we would say 10.
As already pointed out, the score was (is) 10 out of 10, that means 100 % (math facts), and that gives a lot of confidence (feelings) for the purpose of that mechanism.

That said, about facts and feelings, anyone can keep his feelings, nonetheless, they're his own.


To cut the matter short: Wenger (85mm) packlock mechanism Rocks!

[SAK Guy]

I have 5-6 or so and all work exactly as designed. No problems.

[Spork, Lord of Lime Jello!]

The only two knives I've ever sent for warranty were Wengers with lock failures. Wenger sent replacements. These were secondhand knives and I attribute the problem to weak/distorted backsprings...these were from the time when Wenger was notorious for weak springs.

After that, I started taking them apart and fixing them myself by bending more tension into the springs. I've probably fixed about a half dozen...all second hand knives. Note that I've never had the problem with any packlock bought new.

[enki_ck]

I have a feeling the large portion of the broken/week backprings should be attributed to the fact that he corkscrew pivot hole is/was closer to the edge of the backspring and the repeated action of pulling the cork out of the bottles over time bent them and/or broke the backspring.

[tjfarrington2000]

Does my Wenger need to go on a diet?


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