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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #30 on: May 19, 2015, 11:32:43 PM
Kirk,

Had a question about #16. Is that a crossing in the foreground? If so, it looks like it might be tricky to navigate

Yeah,it is a foot crossing,about a half a mile up from Ashstead station. The actual crossing is suitable for pedestrians and cyclists. I think that was for discouraging cattle. The crossing is on the edge of Ashstead Common which is still grazed. I think I've another photo...I'll check
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #31 on: May 19, 2015, 11:33:12 PM
Irish broad gauge




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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #32 on: May 19, 2015, 11:35:44 PM
Kirk,

Had a question about #16. Is that a crossing in the foreground? If so, it looks like it might be tricky to navigate

Yeah,it is a foot crossing,about a half a mile up from Ashstead station. The actual crossing is suitable for pedestrians and cyclists. I think that was for discouraging cattle. The crossing is on the edge of Ashstead Common which is still grazed. I think I've another photo...I'll check

Ok,I don't have a picture of the actual crossing. I'm planning on heading back out that way in the near future. I'll grab a couple of full pics then :tu:
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #33 on: May 19, 2015, 11:45:15 PM
Irish narrow gauge


Irish very narrow gauge ;)
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #34 on: May 19, 2015, 11:52:09 PM
British 15" narrow-gauge converted into an armored train, back during WWII. Complete with Boys anti-tank rifle and Lewis Gun.



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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #35 on: May 20, 2015, 12:01:12 AM
British 15" narrow-gauge converted into an armored train, back during WWII. Complete with Boys anti-tank rifle and Lewis Gun.

That's on the Romney,Hythe and Dymchurch!

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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #36 on: May 20, 2015, 12:08:01 AM
British 15" narrow-gauge converted into an armored train, back during WWII. Complete with Boys anti-tank rifle and Lewis Gun.

That's pretty cool. :tu:  Random fact for the day - the armored train was developed on the fly by a Royal Navy captain in Egypt in 1881 for use to scout around Alexandria.  His name was John "Jacky" Fisher.
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #37 on: May 20, 2015, 12:11:21 AM
British 15" narrow-gauge converted into an armored train, back during WWII. Complete with Boys anti-tank rifle and Lewis Gun.

That's pretty cool. :tu:  Random fact for the day - the armored train was developed on the fly by a Royal Navy captain in Egypt in 1881 for use to scout around Alexandria.  His name was John "Jacky" Fisher.

Armored railroad artillery goes back to the US Civil War.

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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #38 on: May 20, 2015, 12:38:41 AM
In the Civil War, rail mounted artillery was mostly used in siege situations.  Fisher armored a train, mounted several Gardner guns and quick-firing naval artillery, and intentionally went out looking for a fight. 
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #39 on: May 20, 2015, 12:42:13 AM
What's the gauge on the Irish broad gauge equipment Kirky?  Any reason they chose to go wider than standard?  I'm guessing they intentionally did it so English rolling stock couldn't be used there.....
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #40 on: May 20, 2015, 12:56:51 AM
What's the gauge on the Irish broad gauge equipment Kirky?  Any reason they chose to go wider than standard?  I'm guessing they intentionally did it so English rolling stock couldn't be used there.....

Tom,off the top of my head,they followed Brunels lead,rather than Stephensons.,although Irish broad gauge is 5'3(1.6m) rather than Brunels 7ft.When the main land changed to universal standard gauge,there was no compulsion for Ireland to change. Broad gauge allows higher speeds with more comfortable ride( although even now it's only the mainline from Belfast to Dublin that allows 100mph running)

As far as upsetting the English,it was only the B+CDR that was headed by English investment or ownership(the Midland,and post grouping the LMS). The only time that main land locos ran on our side of the Water,was in WW2, when a small number of LMS Jinty tank engines were re-gauged
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #41 on: May 20, 2015, 02:25:40 AM
As I recall, one of the Irish railroads was noted for its erratic (to put it mildly) schedule keeping. Someone wrote a humorous novel about them. The railroad was not amused, and sued. The judge found for the author. Seems he had come into town the previous day; the train was 6 hours late.   :D


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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #42 on: May 20, 2015, 03:26:23 AM
I'm not sure what it is, but it's at the Ontario Science Centre.


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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #43 on: May 20, 2015, 04:34:00 AM
Anyone interested in the Mt Washington cog railroad should check out Mt Pilatus, near Luzern, Switzerland.

Coming up the front side is one of the longest cable car routes in existence. Going down the backside is the world's steepest cog railroad, 46*.



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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #44 on: May 20, 2015, 08:41:58 AM
How have I missed this thread? I love locomotives, particularly Diesels and Narrow gauge loco's :)

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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #45 on: May 20, 2015, 03:10:13 PM
There's a CSX U-Boat (GE locomotive) sitting on a siding near the warehouse. Can't get close enough for a decent pic though. :(
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #46 on: May 20, 2015, 05:58:56 PM
Nice thread...here is some local history on the Algoma Central Railway...

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The Algoma Central Railway was initially owned by Francis H. Clergue, who required a railway to haul resources from the interior of the Algoma District to Clergue's industries in Sault Ste. Marie; specifically, to transport logs to his pulp mill and iron ore from the Helen Mine near Wawa to a proposed steel mill (which was later named Algoma Steel). The Algoma Central Railway was chartered on August 11, 1899. The railway's Dominion and provincial charters gave it authority to build north from Sault Ste. Marie to a junction with the Canadian Pacific Railway's main line, as well as a branch line to Michipicoten Harbour, on Lake Superior near Wawa.

In 1901 Clergue acquired the charter of the Ontario, Hudson Bay and Western Railway, who were intending to build a line between the CPR main line and Hudson Bay and then changed the name of the Algoma Central Railway to the Algoma Central and Hudson Bay Railway, anticipating a connection either to Moose Factory on James Bay, or to some point on Hudson Bay.

The Algoma Central fell victim to the bankruptcy of Clergue's Consolidated Lake Superior Corporation in 1903. At that time, the line reached 56 miles north of Sault Ste. Marie with a 20 mile segment running east from Michipicoten Harbour that did not yet connect with the main line. Construction was stopped, but was resumed in 1909 and the line was extended northward through to junctions with the Michipicoten Harbour branch (at Hawk Junction), the Canadian Pacific Railway (at Franz) and the Canadian Northern Railway (at Oba). In 1914 it finally reached Hearst, a town 296 miles north of Sault Ste. Marie that was a divisional point on the National Transcontinental Railway. By that point, Clergue's dream of building a railway to Hudson Bay or James Bay had long been abandoned, and the railway's northern terminus remained at Hearst, around 150 miles from James Bay. However, the phrase and Hudson Bay was not removed from the railway's name until June 30, 1965.

The Algoma Central was the first Canadian railway to fully dieselize, in 1952.

In the 1960s, the railway began to promote the natural beauty of the District of Algoma to tourists, especially the Agawa Canyon, a canyon around the Agawa River, 114 rail miles north of Sault Ste. Marie that is not accessible by road. The Algoma Central developed a tourist stopover here, which was a great success for the railway. Due to the popularity of the Agawa Canyon excursions, the Algoma Central would run the longest passenger trains in North America, often up to 20 to 24 cars long. During the 1970s and 1980s around 100,000 people per year would tour Agawa Canyon.

The railway had been in the shipping business since 1900, when it had purchased four steamships. Starting around the 1960s, the railway greatly expanded its marine operations and diversified into trucking, real estate, forestry, and mining operations. These operations were more profitable than the railway operations, and on April 30, 1990, as part of a corporate reorganization, the name of the company was changed to Algoma Central Corporation, and the Algoma Central Railway became a subsidiary of it. A few years later the Algoma Central Railway was put up for sale. On February 1, 1995, Wisconsin Central Ltd. purchased Algoma Central Railway Incorporated, operating the railway as a separate subsidiary, Wisconsin Central Canada Holdings. In 1998, Algoma Steel closed its iron ore mine in Wawa, and the branch line between Michipicoten Harbour and Hawk Junction was abandoned. Wisconsin Central Ltd. was acquired by Canadian National on October 9, 2001, whereupon the Algoma Central became part of CN's Eastern Division.

The railway is the subject of a song by Stompin' Tom Connors.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78_4pLlY6mY

And a few good links.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algoma_Central_Railway

http://algomacentral.railfan.net/algoma1.htm
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #47 on: May 20, 2015, 06:40:16 PM
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #48 on: May 20, 2015, 10:49:01 PM
An interesting variation on the articulated (Mallet) type locomotives was the Beyer Garratt, widely used on British colonial railroads. Both sets of wheels pivoted, which allowed use on tighter curves. Water and fuel were carried on the locomotive, which eliminated the need for a separate tender, but could lead to wheel slippage as they were consumed.

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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #49 on: May 20, 2015, 11:42:32 PM
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #50 on: May 21, 2015, 12:02:46 AM
An interesting variation on the articulated (Mallet) type locomotives was the Beyer Garratt, widely used on British colonial railroads. Both sets of wheels pivoted, which allowed use on tighter curves. Water and fuel were carried on the locomotive, which eliminated the need for a separate tender, but could lead to wheel slippage as they were consumed.

A 4-8-4.4-8-4

The big difference between the Mallet,and the Beyer Garratts is that the Mallet's boogies are mounted on a single chassis,whereas the Beyers have the boiler/firebox/cab suspended between two separate chassis.

Interestingly both the LNER and LMS used 2-6-2/2-6-2 Beyers for coal trains on the British main lines.

South African Railways built Beyers in both standard gauge and in meter gauge for areas like the Hex River,the Gamtoos Valley and the Outinequa Pass/Knysna area. One of the Narrow gauge Beyers is now running in Wales!

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Australia
http://youtu.be/-1EWpCQP7eE

SAR narrow gauge
http://youtu.be/itJBnRAJrW8

SAR standard gauge
http://youtu.be/lglIMCqb9TY
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #51 on: May 21, 2015, 02:28:52 AM
The Mallets had their rear set of wheels mounted rigidly to the frame. The front set pivoted. True Mallets were 'compound', using high pressure steam in small cylinders on the rear wheels and then reusing it in larger low pressure cylinders on the front wheels. Most later articulated locomotives were 'simple', using high pressure in all cylinders.

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Reply #52 on: May 21, 2015, 02:40:30 AM
Note the massive front cylinders in this 'compound' Mallet switcher.

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Reply #53 on: May 21, 2015, 02:49:01 AM
Another interesting type is the Southern Pacific's 'cab-forwards'. Designed to cope with smoke in long Sierra tunnels and snow sheds. The largest, 4-8-8-2, were basically Yellowstones running in reverse.

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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #54 on: May 21, 2015, 04:12:35 AM
How about camelbacks?  Several Eastern US Railroads used anthracite coal, which required a very large firebox.  In a conventional configuration, the high and wide firebox limited the engineer's view.  The solution?  Put the cab in the middle of the boiler, with the fireman at the rear.  The Jersey Central was a famous user of the type.  They were so dangerous to their crews though, offering no protection to the fireman and putting the engineer in a deadly spot in a collision, that the type was banned from being built in the US after 1927.

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Reply #55 on: May 21, 2015, 06:12:48 AM
How about camelbacks?  Several Eastern US Railroads used anthracite coal, which required a very large firebox.  In a conventional configuration, the high and wide firebox limited the engineer's view.  The solution?  Put the cab in the middle of the boiler, with the fireman at the rear.  The Jersey Central was a famous user of the type.  They were so dangerous to their crews though, offering no protection to the fireman and putting the engineer in a deadly spot in a collision, that the type was banned from being built in the US after 1927.



 The engineer was perched on top of the boiler, where he quickly cooked. Also very poor communication between engineer and fireman. And if a drive rod broke the engineer was likely to end up as hamburger. One of the less inspired designs.


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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #56 on: May 25, 2015, 04:35:11 PM
Some pics from Platform 15 at Clapham Junction







Clapham Junction is Britains busiest railway station
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clapham_Junction
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Reply #57 on: May 25, 2015, 04:41:45 PM
Some views of Crystal Palace railway station










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Reply #58 on: May 25, 2015, 06:34:22 PM
Here is the old Santa Fe 3424 4-6-2 "Pacific" steam locomotive on display at the Midway USA park and Edwards County Museum at Kinsley, Kansas.
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Re: Anything to do with Rail and Trains
Reply #59 on: May 25, 2015, 06:47:11 PM
Here is the old Santa Fe 3424 4-6-2 "Pacific" steam locomotive on display at the Midway USA park and Edwards County Museum at Kinsley, Kansas.

Gorgeous :drool:
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