If that is true I wonder why they wouldn't do that if it's in their best interests sales wise
@50ft-tradSuch interesting topic, and clearly it's a delicate question that needs their immediate and long term attention.I think essentially we are talking about the long term sustainability of LM as a company, and I think they do need to take a closer look at each of their competitors, and to analysis what is LM's competitive advantage over others.
I for one hope they get this figured out. When they are on their game, they are the best and most innovative in the industry. The pliers based MT is a must in the mechanical trades industry. It would be a shame for them to lose what they've built in the last 30+ years Sent from 9 miles from the face of the sun
and yet SAKs are not noticeably more expensive in the states....
This is the cheapest I can get SAKs.Starting from the most expensive. Going back a few pages you will see that the swisstool has a similar price to a LM wave (about 160 euro) and that cybertools are about 100Euro.
Another angle here is that because eBay won't trade items containing blades, or even knifeless MTs , there is no market price to counter excessive mark-up.
Quote from: pingu on October 04, 2015, 09:13:33 PMAnother angle here is that because eBay won't trade items containing blades, or even knifeless MTs , there is no market price to counter excessive mark-up.Why is that?
>eBay won't trade items containing blades, or even knifeless MTs
Quote from: anon on October 05, 2015, 09:54:37 PM>eBay won't trade items containing blades, or even knifeless MTseBay doesn't permit UK purchases of the above from the States. We get teased with the pricing then get rejected at the shipping stage. If you are asking why eBay has this policy, no idea. Possibly a mistaken view on legality.
Firstly, all Leatherman tools should have their ergonomics reviewed and adjusted as required. (along with any other design faux pas)Sedondly, they need to ensure consistency and quality conformance.Thirdly, it needs to be clear to the buyer if they are buying a "hobby" level tool, or a premium tool. Yes, the price is an indicator, but someone wanting heavy duty knives and pliers who buys a Rebar, is likely to feel very let down by the knife blades. I don't think the Rebar is to the ST300 what the Wave is to the Surge.This of course is not taking into account allowing price hikes or implementing further cost reduction stategies etc etc
Also, we have NAFTA and GATT. That's us mobile.Nate
Good thread The way things are now I have exactly zero incentive to buy a LM MT; I might very well be paying 1/4th of my salary for a clunky tool that comes with flaws straight from the factory and that isn't all too well designed IMO*.
I feel they should focus on reality rather than on market analyses that may not be very sound after all... Make a few tools in different sizes, with some variation between them -e.g. bluntnose or needle nose pliers- to cover most people's needs instead of churning out whatever monstrosity they have available at the moment of making decisions. I'm trying to say that instead of investing in all the hype they have going on for them they should try to deliver pure, self-evident functionality, otherwise the market forces may not be favourable for LM for long.
Another thing I would like to see from them, is replications of the tool in different sizes and price brackets. For example...A) a 4.1/2" SurgeB) a 4" Surge ***C) a low budget Surge alternative
..at least you learned from your 1st juice experience and never bought another one again