Cats are hunters and it is natural for them to roam.
Quote from: Tarrodemierda on August 19, 2008, 08:24:48 PMwell.... if id see some one let his dog kill brutally a cat,id let loose my pitbul and let it take care of the animal torturer.clean kill is ok if the cat is PROOFED to be a homeless.but othervise killing animals for fun or just for being tight minded animal hater,its sadistic,and they should get their head checked before animals arent enough and u climb to the church tower with hunting rifle .You always seem to say the right thing. I have gotten a mental picture of you as a big tough guy with a good heart and a head that is screwed on straight.I am old enough to remember the Winter War and what an inspiration the Finnish resistance was to the whole world. I think you are made of the same stuff as those heroes.It was an Englishman in the 1920s (Eliot Howard) who first formulated the theory that birds sing to establish and defend a territory. No far away expedition to exotic places but just observing in his own backyard with eyes that could see where others could not. This led in time to the recognition that many other species including humans also defend a territory leading to resentment and aggression toward anything that dares to invade that sacred ground.As an animal lover I welcome any animal that comes onto my property. The skunks dig holes. The moles make tunnels. The deer eat the shrubs. The raccoons trash the bird feeder, and the chipmunks make burrows. The deer mice keep trying to nest in the lawn mower. I would not have it any other way as I feel amply rewarded just to watch them.I realize that others do not feel as I do. What I would do,is to do what Def suggested, which is to put in a sand box for them to use. At least it would be easier to clean. The cats are probably using your yard because they feel safe there. All animals are at a disadvantage when defecating, so try to find privacy just as we do.Cats are hunters and it is natural for them to roam. Konrad Lorenze could not bear to restrict his cats even though he realized they would not live as long. He felt that by restricting them they would not be the natural animal he loved. He went on to win a Nobel prize for his animal studies and is known as the father of the science of Ethology. If you would like some insight into human aggression read his book "On Aggression" all derived from his animal studies.So perhaps Micky D could also win a prize by studying how and why and where cats crap. I think we could all live longer and more peaceful lives by practicing more tolerance toward people and animals.Richard
well.... if id see some one let his dog kill brutally a cat,id let loose my pitbul and let it take care of the animal torturer.clean kill is ok if the cat is PROOFED to be a homeless.but othervise killing animals for fun or just for being tight minded animal hater,its sadistic,and they should get their head checked before animals arent enough and u climb to the church tower with hunting rifle .
Quote from: kent ct on August 20, 2008, 01:15:14 AMCats are hunters and it is natural for them to roam.It's NOT "natural" for them to roam in areas they aren't indigenous to.http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/publications/cat/index.htmlhttp://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/index.htmlhttp://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/states/And what is natural for man?Richard
And what is natural for man?Richard
Quote from: kent ct on August 20, 2008, 04:39:16 AMAnd what is natural for man?RichardTo defend his own territory like any animal would do, and not crap in his neighbor's backyard.
Quote from: kent ct on August 20, 2008, 01:15:14 AMCats are hunters and it is natural for them to roam.It's NOT "natural" for them to roam in areas they aren't indigenous to.http://www.environment.gov.au/biodiversity/invasive/publications/cat/index.htmlhttp://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/index.htmlhttp://www.abcbirds.org/abcprograms/policy/cats/states/
Quote from: jzmtl on August 20, 2008, 05:21:30 AMQuote from: kent ct on August 20, 2008, 04:39:16 AMAnd what is natural for man?RichardTo defend his own territory like any animal would do, and not crap in his neighbor's backyard.Exactly, but the cat does not realize it is not his territory. We don't hold children responsible in the same way we do adults.Richard
I don't think people are disagreeing over whether it is wrong for people to let their dogs and cats roam loose in populated areas.They are disagreeing over whether this then entitles other people to shoot those animals with air rifles or poison them with anti-freeze.
Kent, Mikko, excellent post's
Quote from: micky d on August 20, 2008, 10:07:18 AMKent, Mikko, excellent post's is there a singer/avatar with a pitch fork?
Have you tried a super soaker with ice water it works for me
We've had a bit of a problem with cat's craping in my back garden , is there a harmless, enviromentally friendly solution to this I don't want to harm the little bugger's, but I do want to stop them doing it
Quote from: micky d on August 18, 2008, 10:42:49 PM We've had a bit of a problem with cat's craping in my back garden , is there a harmless, enviromentally friendly solution to this I don't want to harm the little bugger's, but I do want to stop them doing it Get the book " 25 ways to WOK a cat" available at Oriental Grocery stores !
The real problem is irresponsible people just as it is in gun and knife control. Nobody has the right to inflict their pets or kids or beliefs on you without your permission. It's the innocent animals as well as people that suffer. Richard
get a bow,.....leave the scope and gun home,
Quote from: kent ct on August 21, 2008, 01:04:20 AMThe real problem is irresponsible people just as it is in gun and knife control. Nobody has the right to inflict their pets or kids or beliefs on you without your permission. It's the innocent animals as well as people that suffer. Richard Thing is - it's very difficult to control where your cat takes a dump, hardly the same as being reckless with a gun
Agreed, but I was thinking more along the lines of people who just let their pets breed without any thought of others or the welfare of their animals. I have known of several cats who have become neighborhood pets and are welcomed all over, but I live in a semi-rural area where plots are 1 acre or more, mostly more, so there is really no problem.
Quote from: DaveK on August 21, 2008, 01:09:40 AMQuote from: kent ct on August 21, 2008, 01:04:20 AMThe real problem is irresponsible people just as it is in gun and knife control. Nobody has the right to inflict their pets or kids or beliefs on you without your permission. It's the innocent animals as well as people that suffer. Richard Thing is - it's very difficult to control where your cat takes a dump, hardly the same as being reckless with a gun Well, don't let your cat go roaming in other people's yard is a good start.
By keeping it inside your house, or inside your yard. Dog owners can do that so why not cat owners?
That's exactly what my buddy's girlfriend's family have done, totally enclosed backyard where their three cats can run around without creating any problem for others in the day, and back inside the house at night. Now that's a responsible cat owner. To me controlling the cat becomes the responsibility of the owner when they chose to have a cat, just like a dog owner, but if they aren't responsible enough to keep their cat from becoming everyone else's problem, they shouldn't be suprised when others decide to do something about it.