Need help with a Spyderco bought at a flea market!

[mikekoz]

   I found this today at a flea market, and my guess is one of several things happened. I paid $25.00 for it. Either I got the deal of a lifetime and this knife if legit, it is fake, but still has S30V steel, or I just threw away $25.00!!  If this IS a real Spyderco, what model is it??







     Any and all help is appreciated, even if it is bad news!!

[kirk13]

I'm no expert on spydies,but I think your onto at winner there! Great find!

[AMK]

Looks good to me, there is comprehensive list to look through http://www.spydiewiki.com/models/

[toolguy]

UK penknife made for the UK where locking blades are too dangerous for  citizens. LOL.

[mikekoz]

Looks good to me, there is comprehensive list to look through http://www.spydiewiki.com/models/

  Thanks! It kind of looks like a Paramilitary, but the scales look different, and the blade does not have the jigging on the top.

[AimlessWanderer]

My first thought was the Military, but I'm far from being an expert. Hopefully someone more informed will be along soon. I believe the Military is a highly faked/cloned knife, so if it is that model, I'm sure someone here can help you identify if it's genuine 

Even if not, for 25 notes, you still got a handy folder 

UK penknife made for the UK where locking blades are too dangerous for  citizens. LOL.

Sorry, was there a point to that snipe, or just a cheap shot?

[powernoodle]

Its not easy to tell over the interweb, but it looks fake to me for a couple of reasons.  Its its real, its Spyderco Paramilitary 2.  The large lanyard hole was not on the original Paramilitary, but does appear on the Para 2.  That bend in the clip does not look right (where it touches the scale), and the Para 2 does not have steel liners which it looks like yours does.  Also, that jimping where your 1st finger sits does is not correct.

If your knife has metal liners, its not a real Paramilitary 2.  Also, it looks like it has carbon fiber scales, which is pretty rare.

Pending more info, I'm leaning toward it being a reproduction.  Again, if it has metal liners, its 100% fake.

[SteveC]

Its not easy to tell over the interweb, but it looks fake to me for a couple of reasons.  Its its real, its Spyderco Paramilitary 2.  The large lanyard hole was not on the original Paramilitary, but does appear on the Para 2.  That bend in the clip does not look right (where it touches the scale), and the Para 2 does not have steel liners which it looks like yours does.  Also, that jimping where your 1st finger sits does is not correct.

If your knife has metal liners, its not a real Paramilitary 2.  Also, it looks like it has carbon fiber scales, which is pretty rare.

Pending more info, I'm leaning toward it being a reproduction.  Again, if it has metal liners, its 100% fake.

Also looks like it has a liner lock which is wrong for a Para 2

[powernoodle]

Real Para 2.  Note the compression lock, the lack of steel liners, the lack of jimping (where your index finger sits) and the smooth contour of the clip.

[SteveC]

 

[mikekoz]

Rats.....so I basically threw away $25.00?!  . Oh well, could have been worse. I could have paid $100.00 plus for it and find out out it was a fake. I will either use it as a beater or just throw it in a drawer and let it live the rest of its life in complete darkness!! 

[captain spaulding]

100% fake in my opinion. So many things wrong with it.

No Jimping on thumb ramp
No jimping on choil
Choil and thumb ramp are both shaped wrong
Clip is completely wrong
No compression lock
The pivot is a Hex, supposed to be Torx
Lanyard hole is wrong
Lanyard hole doesn't appear to be chamfered
The grind of the blade is to far back in relation to the spydie hole


Sorry for the bad news.  The PM2 is probably the most faked knife on the market right now so only buy from reputable dealers. 

[captain spaulding]

Its not easy to tell over the interweb, but it looks fake to me for a couple of reasons.  Its its real, its Spyderco Paramilitary 2.  The large lanyard hole was not on the original Paramilitary, but does appear on the Para 2.  That bend in the clip does not look right (where it touches the scale), and the Para 2 does not have steel liners which it looks like yours does.  Also, that jimping where your 1st finger sits does is not correct.

If your knife has metal liners, its not a real Paramilitary 2.  Also, it looks like it has carbon fiber scales, which is pretty rare.

Pending more info, I'm leaning toward it being a reproduction.  Again, if it has metal liners, its 100% fake.

Real Para 2.  Note the compression lock, the lack of steel liners, the lack of jimping (where your index finger sits) and the smooth contour of the clip.

I'm not sure why you keep saying a real PM2 has no steel liners? All real PM2's have milled out steel liners on both sides. The compression lock is part of the steel liner just like a liner lock.

[David]

Looks to be a total fake. For all the reasons given above plus it appears to have carbon fiber handles and carbon fiber handles were never used with CPM-S30V on the PM1 or PM2. No Spyderco bug stamped on the clip.

[mikekoz]

   I wonder what kind of steel is REALLY on this thing. To be fair, it seems like a very well made knife and is very sharp.

[sir_mike]

Yeah, I think it is a fake one too.  By the reasons listed plus it does looks like czrnon fiber scales which dont make sense with s30v steel, no jimping on top of blade and something about the handles just dont set right with me.

It looks like a good user though but I wouldnt guarantee it is s30v steel.

[powernoodle]

I'm not sure why you keep saying a real PM2 has no steel liners?

Total brain fade on my part, as usual.  Thanks for the correction.

What I was thinking, but not articulating, is that the liners on the real Para 2 are nested, i.e., they do not come all the way to the edge of the scale.

The Para 2's compression lock is essentially a liner lock that is accessed from the spine, so you are right there are certainly (nested) liners on the real Para 2.

 

[captain spaulding]

I'm not sure why you keep saying a real PM2 has no steel liners?

Total brain fade on my part, as usual.  Thanks for the correction.

What I was thinking, but not articulating, is that the liners on the real Para 2 are nested, i.e., they do not come all the way to the edge of the scale.

The Para 2's compression lock is essentially a liner lock that is accessed from the spine, so you are right there are certainly (nested) liners on the real Para 2.

 

No worries. Happens to the best of us from time to time.   

[Aloha]

I watched a great video where a pretty knowledgeable knife guy spoke about some fake Spydercos being very well made.  You might have a fake ( others know far more than I ) but it doesn't mean you have a crappy knife.  As long as the knife performs well and isn't dangerous enjoy the knife.  My 2C worth.   

[mikekoz]

   I hate to say this, but after playing with this knife, and my real Spyderco Tenacious, I do not see a real difference in build quality between the two. Both feel good in the hand, are very sharp, open smoothly, and lock with no jiggle whatsoever. The only unknown with the fake Paramilitary is the steel type. Going to continue using it to see how it does! I need to go somewhere that has the US made Spyderco's and see if there is a big difference in quality. 

[captain spaulding]

   I hate to say this, but after playing with this knife, and my real Spyderco Tenacious, I do not see a real difference in build quality between the two. Both feel good in the hand, are very sharp, open smoothly, and lock with no jiggle whatsoever. The only unknown with the fake Paramilitary is the steel type. Going to continue using it to see how it does! I need to go somewhere that has the US made Spyderco's and see if there is a big difference in quality.

We would love to hear a comparison. 

My opinion on this is that the blade steel will most likely be low quality. I also assume if put moderate to high use on it, it will not hold up as well as a legit Spyderco. Can you see what kind of washers it has?