Should I get a Spyderco Native 5?

[Grathr]

The Spyderco bug has gotten me again.  I have a Delica 4 on the way, but I have always been curious of the Native 5 FRN. (I really like the way it looks)The web seems to be divided, some love it,  others dont like it.
With rumours of the prices rising, my trigger finger is itching.
I know a lot of you guys own or has owned one. What do you think of it?
Is it worth the money?

[powernoodle]

I own the Spyderco Forum Native 5 (FRN scales), as well as a G10 Native 5.  Objectively they are great knives.  Nice blade profile, good in the hand, etc.  But subjectively, they just don't float my boat.  I almost never carry them.  So for me, they are somewhat of a mixed bag.  Great knife, but I just don't dig it.

I think I would like it more with a deep clip, so maybe I'll give that a try.

Spyderco is moving to MAPP pricing in 2016, meaning that dealers cannot sell Spyderco's below a certain price.  This troubles me greatly, and will probably mean that I have bought my last Spyderco.  So if you are in search of Native 5, you might want to act fast.

 

[toolguy]

I've followed the advice of an old-timer for years and he said to me "Buy what you like".I've always done just that and have very rarely regretted it.

If Spyderco requires their dealers to sell at their suggested retail price, they'll be cutting their own throats.There isn't a Spyderco made that will be worth the retail price tag.

[Grathr]

Thanks for the input so far guys!

[Joe58]

I have both the FRN and the G10 versions and the pocket clip on the FRN version is, too me, just goofy and non-standard meaning I can't swap it for a deep carry or a different style, or one that isn't shiny. I wish they'd of went with a standard clip. Other than that the knife is fine. No liners, but light and pretty rigid. Good lockup. I myself like the G10 better.

Since they're following BM into MAP pricing, I'd actually suggest getting both, and the one that doesn't suit you is easy enough to move without much loss. Especially if you wait till MAP takes effect then guys will be buying every used Spydie in good shape like crazy. Same thing happened with BM.

I haven't purchased Benchmade since MAP kicked in.

[bdAmmo]

I've owned both and personally prefer the Delica over the Native.  I did a quick comparison of the two in this thread here;

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,55767.msg982939.html#msg982939

I never did use the Native much so unfortunately I don't have a lot to add.  I felt much the same as powernoodle, just couldn't dig the Native.  I've recently gone through my knives and parted ways with many, the Native didn't make the cut and has a new home now but I just couldn't let my Delica go.

I'd say snag up a Native while they're cheap!  If you decide that it's not your cup of tea, you could always get your money back out of it when the MAP pricing goes into effect .

EDIT: Okay, so I'm not exactly sure if mine was a Native 5 or just a regular Native.  Not all that up to speed on Spyderco's different models at the moment.

[captain spaulding]

I would personally pass on the Native 5.

What models do you currently have?

[captain spaulding]

I've followed the advice of an old-timer for years and he said to me "Buy what you like".I've always done just that and have very rarely regretted it.

If Spyderco requires their dealers to sell at their suggested retail price, they'll be cutting their own throats.There isn't a Spyderco made that will be worth the retail price tag.

MAP means Minimum advertising price. It does not mean they will be advertising and selling at MSRP. MAP pricing and MSRP are different numbers.


I still think its a mistake to introduce MAP pricing. Spyderco's are already pricey enough. If you think I am going to pay 30% more for the same knives your crazy. I might end up buying another Spyderco WAY down the line once I forget how much I used to pay. All I know is Benchmade introduced MAP pricing a while back and I think the prices are a bid out of line for say the mini Griptilian. Its a $50 - $60 knife in my opinion. Not a $89 knife. If they did not have MAP pricing into effect I guarantee I would own MANY more Benchmades.

I'n my opinion they don't care about the true fans and knife nuts who buy multiple knives a week or month from them. They just want to make more money on the one time buyers who will never buy another Benchmade again.

I'm sure Spyderco will be fine and the company will thrive, but you never know. Spyderco fans are very into their knives and the company behind them so it could all go to hell.  Benchmade seems to be doing fine though.

[toolguy]

I've followed the advice of an old-timer for years and he said to me "Buy what you like".I've always done just that and have very rarely regretted it.
If Spyderco requires their dealers to sell at their suggested retail price, they'll be cutting their own throats.There isn't a Spyderco made that will be worth the retail price tag.

MAP means Minimum advertising price. It does not mean they will be advertising and selling at MSRP. MAP pricing and MSRP are different numbers.

Thanks for the explanation,although it still means that Spyderco is trying to control the price to the consumer.This is never a smart practice by the manufacturer.The manufacturers receive their asking price from their dealers and for the manufacturers to try to control the price for which the dealers sells is foolish and may be viewed as greed by the consumer.

[Etherealicer]

I own a Native 5 G10. For me, it is an excellent blade shape and size, it's well built and a quality steel... but...
It's pretty expensive (cheaper knifes work as well and are not that dramatic when lost).
The clip sucks (bent mine the first week, would also prefer a deep carry clip).

[captain spaulding]

I've followed the advice of an old-timer for years and he said to me "Buy what you like".I've always done just that and have very rarely regretted it.
If Spyderco requires their dealers to sell at their suggested retail price, they'll be cutting their own throats.There isn't a Spyderco made that will be worth the retail price tag.

MAP means Minimum advertising price. It does not mean they will be advertising and selling at MSRP. MAP pricing and MSRP are different numbers.

Thanks for the explanation,although it still means that Spyderco is trying to control the price to the consumer.This is never a smart practice by the manufacturer.The manufacturers receive their asking price from their dealers and for the manufacturers to try to control the price for which the dealers sells is foolish and may be viewed as greed by the consumer.

I completely agree with you and as a Spyderco lover and buyer I do see it as greed.

[powernoodle]

greed

By implementing MAPP, Spyderco is trying to protect bricks and mortar stores from the super-thin margins of internet vendors.  Its just trying to protect its distribution network.  I get that.  But I wholly agree with you and others that its a vile business model because its a form of price-fixing that tampers with the free market and screws the consumer.  I have not bought a Benchmade since it introduced MAPP, and I'm done buying Spyderco now too.

It just means we have money for Leatherman, Victorinox, Gerber and SOG, right?   

[jekostas]

Victorinox has a MAP policy in place, and I believe Leatherman does as well.

[HarleyXJGuy]

Yes you should.

You can get a S90V 2015 Forum Burgandy Native 5 for less then 100 dollars with the code.

[captain spaulding]

Victorinox has a MAP policy in place, and I believe Leatherman does as well.

That is what I have heard, but given how drastically different SAK pricing is I have no idea if they enforce it or what is going on. 

[David]

Sure why not it's a good knife. Here's one with carbon fiber and S110V.   

[Grathr]

Thanks for all the input and advise guys!


Captn:
I allready have a G10 dragonfly, a grasshopper, a Salt, a ambitious and a tenacious. (And btw I blame you for making me want a spydie in the first place )


MAP pricing is what worries me too. It might not turn out as bad as we fear, but if it does, then spydies will become too pricey for me.

Powernoodle and bdAmmo:
I have seen a lot of the same other places too. People prefering the delica over the Native. Thats whats been keeping me waiting this long.

Etherealicer: good point. The price is why Ill go for the FRN version if I go for it.

Harley: thank you for a strait forward answer
The forum knife looks great. But they ship with UPS wich will add a lot of customs fees for importing it wich will make it too expencive.

David : 

Toolguy: "buy what you like". I might just do that!

[Grathr]

Update:
I just ordered one. Now I just have to wait.

[this_is_nascar]

I own the Spyderco Forum Native 5 (FRN scales), as well as a G10 Native 5.  Objectively they are great knives.  Nice blade profile, good in the hand, etc.  But subjectively, they just don't float my boat.  I almost never carry them.  So for me, they are somewhat of a mixed bag.  Great knife, but I just don't dig it.

I think I would like it more with a deep clip, so maybe I'll give that a try.

Spyderco is moving to MAPP pricing in 2016, meaning that dealers cannot sell Spyderco's below a certain price.  This troubles me greatly, and will probably mean that I have bought my last Spyderco.  So if you are in search of Native 5, you might want to act fast.

 

Incorrect.  The dealers can not advertise less than a certain price.  They can sell the product for  whatever they want.

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[captain spaulding]

I own the Spyderco Forum Native 5 (FRN scales), as well as a G10 Native 5.  Objectively they are great knives.  Nice blade profile, good in the hand, etc.  But subjectively, they just don't float my boat.  I almost never carry them.  So for me, they are somewhat of a mixed bag.  Great knife, but I just don't dig it.

I think I would like it more with a deep clip, so maybe I'll give that a try.

Spyderco is moving to MAPP pricing in 2016, meaning that dealers cannot sell Spyderco's below a certain price.  This troubles me greatly, and will probably mean that I have bought my last Spyderco.  So if you are in search of Native 5, you might want to act fast.

 

Incorrect.  The dealers can not advertise less than a certain price.  They can sell the product for  whatever they want.

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Correct, but they will normally sell at the MAP price and add in a second less expensive knife or some sort of other knife related gift to even it out.

[Aloha]

I have a FRN Native and actually really like the knife overall.  I carried it quite a lot when I first got it till I got my Delica.  I'm not saying my Delica is better and in all actuality to me its not.  They are different and both great IMO.  Glad you pulled the trigger so you can see what you think.  Mine were both used and both fully serrated which I have come to really enjoy.  I did end up getting a PE Delica tho oddly I prefer the serrated version 

[bdAmmo]

Update:
I just ordered one. Now I just have to wait.

Good choice .  How long is the estimated wait time?

[David]

Update:
I just ordered one. Now I just have to wait.

         The Native 5 is a good knife. Hope your wait is a short one.   

[16VGTIDave]

By implementing MAPP, Spyderco is trying to protect bricks and mortar stores from the super-thin margins of internet vendors.  Its just trying to protect its distribution network.  I get that.  But I wholly agree with you and others that its a vile business model because its a form of price-fixing that tampers with the free market and screws the consumer.  I have not bought a Benchmade since it introduced MAPP, and I'm done buying Spyderco now too.

Why not develop / cultivate your relations with the local dealer? Walk into their store, look around, talk to the staff/owner and buy something. Pay with cash rather than credit so they keep more profits. I'm sure they will appreciate your patronage and being able to both eat dinner and keep the lights on. Go back next month and do the same.

As I understand, MAPP does not dictate what the actual price will be, just what can be advertised.  Once you have developed a relationship with a store, don't be afraid to ask if they can do better on the price. Be realistic, and don't expect a deal on popular models. A dealer likely won't offer much if any discount on a PM2 due to the demand for them.

The race to the bottom will end eventually. It's up to us to determine if we will hit bottom hard, or use a parachute. It appears that some manufacturers want to use parachutes.

[Grathr]

Update:
I just ordered one. Now I just have to wait.

Good choice .  How long is the estimated wait time?

A couple of weeks with the holdays and all.

[jekostas]

I own the Spyderco Forum Native 5 (FRN scales), as well as a G10 Native 5.  Objectively they are great knives.  Nice blade profile, good in the hand, etc.  But subjectively, they just don't float my boat.  I almost never carry them.  So for me, they are somewhat of a mixed bag.  Great knife, but I just don't dig it.

I think I would like it more with a deep clip, so maybe I'll give that a try.

Spyderco is moving to MAPP pricing in 2016, meaning that dealers cannot sell Spyderco's below a certain price.  This troubles me greatly, and will probably mean that I have bought my last Spyderco.  So if you are in search of Native 5, you might want to act fast.

 

Incorrect.  The dealers can not advertise less than a certain price.  They can sell the product for  whatever they want.

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It depends on the policy in place.  With Leatherman a dealer can't sell below a specified price.

[HarleyXJGuy]

I own the Spyderco Forum Native 5 (FRN scales), as well as a G10 Native 5.  Objectively they are great knives.  Nice blade profile, good in the hand, etc.  But subjectively, they just don't float my boat.  I almost never carry them.  So for me, they are somewhat of a mixed bag.  Great knife, but I just don't dig it.

I think I would like it more with a deep clip, so maybe I'll give that a try.

Spyderco is moving to MAPP pricing in 2016, meaning that dealers cannot sell Spyderco's below a certain price.  This troubles me greatly, and will probably mean that I have bought my last Spyderco.  So if you are in search of Native 5, you might want to act fast.

 

Incorrect.  The dealers can not advertise less than a certain price.  They can sell the product for  whatever they want.

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

It depends on the policy in place.  With Leatherman a dealer can't sell below a specified price.

Spydercos poilcy will be about what price you can advertise. Sal the owner has said he does not want to tell dealers what to sell at.

[captain spaulding]

I own the Spyderco Forum Native 5 (FRN scales), as well as a G10 Native 5.  Objectively they are great knives.  Nice blade profile, good in the hand, etc.  But subjectively, they just don't float my boat.  I almost never carry them.  So for me, they are somewhat of a mixed bag.  Great knife, but I just don't dig it.

I think I would like it more with a deep clip, so maybe I'll give that a try.

Spyderco is moving to MAPP pricing in 2016, meaning that dealers cannot sell Spyderco's below a certain price.  This troubles me greatly, and will probably mean that I have bought my last Spyderco.  So if you are in search of Native 5, you might want to act fast.

 

Incorrect.  The dealers can not advertise less than a certain price.  They can sell the product for  whatever they want.

Sent from my XT1254 using Tapatalk

It depends on the policy in place.  With Leatherman a dealer can't sell below a specified price.

Spydercos poilcy will be about what price you can advertise. Sal the owner has said he does not want to tell dealers what to sell at.

Yet, that's exactly what is going to happen.

[Grathr]

The Native arrived in the mail today!

[HarleyXJGuy]

Nice.

Is that 110V?