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Getting ALL the saks 3548

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Getting ALL the saks
« on: January 22, 2016, 09:52:22 AM »
So... did anyone go through this? Did anyone think they could get all SAK models ever made?
I know it sounds childish now, but at first I thought it is possible... I have over 150 saks now and not even close to half of the models I know of...
Then I saw the prices on really rare ones, then the million types of Wengers, then the old quirky out-of-production models, then the very rare series for distributors...
Since Jazzbass's thread I realised even listing them all is close to impossible... http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,58093.0.html

Wenger has countless variations so we skip that.
84 mm and 91 mm are probably impossible to complete, 93 mm requires an obscene amount of money (thank you SB and your many variations) but might be doable.
What about 58 mm or 111 mm? One has relatively few models and the other is quite new... anyone have all the models? (I'm talking tool/scale configurations, but not all scale colours, as it would be insane)...

A friend of mine was close to completing 108mm but the Walther seems impossible to find...

What about just the current production models? Does anyone have all? I imagine Chako or some bigtime collectors might ... Do you have a model count?


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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2016, 09:58:56 AM »
Doesn't SAK Guy have all the models by now?  :D

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2016, 10:06:45 AM »
I'm trying to collect all them..
My idea-fix - find all possible Victorinox knives. Not Wengers, not new Wengers (Victorinox Delemont)
For now my mission still incomplete :) Yes, I have more than 500 knives (I've start to buy Victorinox knives approximately 3 years ago), but  still a lot of "white-places".
Hope, I'm close to complete 111-mm series (I'm talking only about regular models, not limited ones),  - only 1 model is missing
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2016, 10:09:55 AM »
I originally held off on collecting Victorinox because I thought there were only a hundred or so models and it wouldn't take long to complete the set.

Boy, was I mistaken! Fifteen years later and no end in sight. Have no idea how many there are. I have eight 3"-4" thick loose-leaf notebooks filled with info on Victorinox and Wenger, and find new ones all the time.
« Last Edit: January 22, 2016, 10:11:10 AM by ColoSwiss »
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2016, 10:15:15 AM »
I'm trying to collect all them..
My idea-fix - find all possible Victorinox knives. Not Wengers, not new Wengers (Victorinox Delemont)
For now my mission still incomplete :) Yes, I have more than 500 knives (I've start to buy Victorinox knives approximately 3 years ago), but  still a lot of "white-places".
Hope, I'm close to complete 111-mm series (I'm talking only about regular models, not limited ones),  - only 1 model is missing

You mean the Carpenter you mention on your website?
There is one on eBay ;)

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2016, 10:18:31 AM »

You mean the Carpenter you mention on your website?
There is one on eBay ;)


I know, thanks!
..keep fingers crossed.. :dd:
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2016, 10:25:46 AM »
Good Luck LeaF - I've got fingers crossed for you.  :tu:

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2016, 10:27:38 AM »

You mean the Carpenter you mention on your website?
There is one on eBay ;)


I know, thanks!
..keep fingers crossed.. :dd:

Do you have the Mariner, an early version of the Helmsman with red handles.

http://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Helmsman
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2016, 10:27:57 AM »

You mean the Carpenter you mention on your website?
There is one on eBay ;)


I know, thanks!
..keep fingers crossed.. :dd:

Good luck!

By the way: like your website!  :tu:

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2016, 10:28:34 AM »
Doesn't SAK Guy have all the models by now?  :D

  :rofl:    Not even close, but I do have most of the ones I set out to collect.

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2016, 10:34:58 AM »
Do you have the Mariner, an early version of the Helmsman with red handles.

http://www.sakwiki.com/ti...i-index.php?page=Helmsman


I've tried to forget about it.. But thank you for reminder ;)
OK, two models still missing in my collection  :'(  Or three? Mariner with corkscrew also missing... :'( :'( :'(


P.S. By the way, I have never seen Mariner (with red scales) on ebay...
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2016, 10:38:28 AM »
A lot depends on how fine you want to go on varieties. For instance the Classic was offered at one time or another in over two dozen colors. Also well over a hundred limited editions.

What about handle material variations? Stag, horn, pearl, etc. Some of these had different names; some didn't.

What about bail versus plain? Bail versus keyring? Square versus round phillips?

For a very rough count go into SAKwiki and count the basic models listed under the different sizes. Assume that's basically post-WWII, and double it to pick up pre-WWII models.
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2016, 10:45:46 AM »
Do you have the Mariner, an early version of the Helmsman with red handles.

http://www.sakwiki.com/ti...i-index.php?page=Helmsman

P.S. By the way, I have never seen Mariner (with red scales) on ebay...

Sent you a PM  :)

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2016, 10:46:02 AM »
A lot depends on how fine you want to go on varieties. For instance the Classic was offered at one time or another in over two dozen colors. Also well over a hundred limited editions.

What about handle material variations? Stag, horn, pearl, etc. Some of these had different names; some didn't.

What about bail versus plain? Bail versus keyring? Square versus round phillips?

For a very rough count go into SAKwiki and count the basic models listed under the different sizes. Assume that's basically post-WWII, and double it to pick up pre-WWII models.

That's why I said 84 and 91 are close to impossible to complete. 74 sounds good on paper, but they are generally very rare and expensive...
93, 108 and 111 shouldn't have most of these issues.
If for Classic we just count SD/NC and keyring/NO so just 4 Classics 58 could be manageable too, right?  :think:

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 6,821
Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2016, 10:51:20 AM »
A lot depends on how fine you want to go on varieties. For instance the Classic was offered at one time or another in over two dozen colors. Also well over a hundred limited editions.

What about handle material variations? Stag, horn, pearl, etc. Some of these had different names; some didn't.

What about bail versus plain? Bail versus keyring? Square versus round phillips?

For a very rough count go into SAKwiki and count the basic models listed under the different sizes. Assume that's basically post-WWII, and double it to pick up pre-WWII models.

That's why I said 84 and 91 are close to impossible to complete. 74 sounds good on paper, but they are generally very rare and expensive...
93, 108 and 111 shouldn't have most of these issues.
If for Classic we just count SD/NC and keyring/NO so just 4 Classics 58 could be manageable too, right?  :think:

On the 93s, are you going to include the special models from Swiss Bianco? What about official military (Swiss, Dutch, etc)?
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 6,821
Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2016, 10:53:38 AM »
Do you have the Mariner, an early version of the Helmsman with red handles.

http://www.sakwiki.com/ti...i-index.php?page=Helmsman


I've tried to forget about it.. But thank you for reminder ;)
OK, two models still missing in my collection  :'(  Or three? Mariner with corkscrew also missing... :'( :'( :'(


P.S. By the way, I have never seen Mariner (with red scales) on ebay...

Here's a Mariner I picked up early on. Don't remember where I got it. Wasn't until I started really organizing the collection that I realized it was something special.

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2016, 10:56:09 AM »
Wow!  :2tu:

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #17 on: January 22, 2016, 11:03:50 AM »
Here's a Mariner I picked up early on. Don't remember where I got it. Wasn't until I started really organizing the collection that I realized it was something special.
Very nice, thank you for showing.
BTW, do you have photos of all your Victorinox knives? ;)
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #18 on: January 22, 2016, 11:09:28 AM »
Here's a Mariner I picked up early on. Don't remember where I got it. Wasn't until I started really organizing the collection that I realized it was something special.
Very nice, thank you for showing.
BTW, do you have photos of all your Victorinox knives? ;)

Sorry, no.
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #19 on: January 22, 2016, 11:09:47 AM »
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2016, 12:17:34 PM »
I have over 150 saks now

It always makes me feel good to encounter someone who is more deranged - I mean enthusiastic - than me.   :tu:

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #21 on: January 22, 2016, 12:19:39 PM »
I have over 150 saks now

It always makes me feel good to encounter someone who is more deranged - I mean enthusiastic - than me.   :tu:
:rofl:  :cheers:

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2016, 12:40:35 PM »
"My collection isn't large, I know of this guy on MT.o..." ;)
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2016, 12:45:24 PM »
and, would a classic with a slightly different type of SD file be considered a different model ?   :D

Here is what I noticed, a few years ago  http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,40139.0.html


Really, it can be impossible to get all, slightly different,  models

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #24 on: January 22, 2016, 05:35:01 PM »
I realised early on that All-Out collecting was futile. Just too many variations.....it would send me crackers!! :ahhh

So, instead I opted to go after the 130 Wenger Rangers and pick up the matching 85's along the way, plus the odd set if possible. The good news is that I have managed to get something like 80% of the Rangers, the bad news being the remaining 20% will probably remain elusive in my lifetime.

So, rather than fret, I'll simply switch off. And if ever they pass my way.......grab them.

I've spent far far too much money and way way too much time. I actually find it frustrating these days, I just want to get them and move on - which is not what this hobby is supposed to be.

The thought of going after the "whole thing"........Good Luck  :salute:
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #25 on: January 22, 2016, 05:46:46 PM »
I can't begin to imagine "getting them all"  :ahhh

I do admire the collections that focused on certain models and love all the Soldier collections.  I'm at about 30 SAKs and my little goal was to get all the Cybertools  :D and birth years Soldiers.  Now I randomly buy what I run into with no rhyme or reason. 

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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #26 on: January 22, 2016, 06:28:44 PM »
Now I randomly buy what I run into with no rhyme or reason.
that is pretty much the basis of my entire Multi and Sak collection. If it looks interesting, or if I have never handled it, ill buy it.

I do impose these limits though:
1. spend No more than $20 per multi/large SAK, unless something really special cones along (like the $30 PT525 I found)

2. No more than $10 on smaller SAKS (4layers or less)

I think the only times I broke those rules were for the PT 525 (which was smart, i sold it for 3X that), my CT34 (hopefully smart, I plan on keeping it), and a MP600 and OG SuperTool (not smart, and why I imposed those rules).

Can you imagine trying to "collect them all" with my self imposed budget rules? :rofl:

But, it keeps me happy (I have to look harder for stuff I want, and feel "prouder" when I finally find something) and not broke.

I would be so poor if I tried to collect multis and SAKs at that level.
 
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #27 on: January 22, 2016, 09:58:37 PM »
So I've thought about this a little...

To me, collecting has always been about "completing" a collection. With SAK collecting, there are so many ways to look at variations, that you have to decide for yourself how you want to define your collection, and then go after that. Here is how I define my collection:

I primarily collect all 84mm and 91mm Victorinox Swiss Army Knife by model. This means my goal is to get all model variations that exist. I define a "model" as a knife with the same basic tool set - so a Climber from 1965 with a bail, old style scissors, caplifter w/ scraper and 5 turn corkscrew counts as a "Climber". A Climber from 2015 with a 4 turn corkscrew, keyring, new scissors w/ hook, and plan caplifter counts as the same model.

Secondarily, I also collect age-related variations of the same model. So the Climber from 1965 and the Climber from 2015 are both in my collection.

So what determines what a "model" is? Well, except in certain circumstances, I do NOT consider scale variations (different celidor color, horn/stag/plastic/etc) as different models or variations. The main exception here is that I do consider alox and cellidor/horn/etc to be different. So to me an alox 84mm Lumberjack is a different model than a cellidor 84mm Lumberjack. If I have two knives that differ only by their scales, I consider them the same knife. I do have a few exceptions to this rule (e.g. Blue and Red Fischemessers), but in general I do not collect based on scales. I also do not consider t&t and keyring variations to be different models. So a Tourist with a keyring and a Tourist without one are the same as far as I'm concerned.

I also have a 93mm collection that is (from my perspective) more-or-less complete. Here I've broken it apart into two groups - old style also and new style alox - and tried to find one model of each from both periods. In the old alox I think I'm only missing the Pioneer 2223 and a special Pioneer model that has pruning blade instead of the awl. In the new also I have all the models I think. Again, scale variations aren't my thing to I don't collect all the various colors that everyone loves so much. I need a new style Farmer in my collection? Blue, green, red, copper, whatever - any color will due.

So - given the scope of what I've decided to collect, how hard is it? Pretty damn hard if I'm honest. I have over 1000 knives in my collection, and I'd guess that when it comes to collecting the different models I'm probably about as close to being complete as anyone. You can really break down this type of collection into four groups:

1. Standard, common catalog models. These are your Spartans, Tinkers, Huntsmans, etc. Getting a full set of these is pretty straightforward. Of about 70 different models here, and I'm at 100% for both 91mm and 84mm. This is a pretty easy collection to amass.

2. Uncommon yet official models. Scientists, Yeomans, Fischermessers, Outdoorsmans, etc. All of these were once catalog models but not anymore. These can be challenging to get, but if you watch the forums and eBay long enough, you can fill out most of this collection as well. Even the rarest of this group - the SwissChamp XL - comes up from time to time. Of about 55 different models here, and I'm at 100% for 84mm and missing 2 91mm models.

3. Custom models made for customers. This is where things start get interesting. Some custom models were made in large quantities (e.g. Trail Guide, Troubleshooter) and are pretty easy to pick up. Some are well know but made in lesser quantities (SMKW knives, WMF special knives) so you'll need to wait a bit to get some of these. Finally, there's the "holy crap I've never seen this before" knife. There are a lot of these - knives that you didn't even know were missing from your collection until you saw them for the first time. My "Unusual Knife" thread has several of those - the Fischermesser Jr is a good example. Never in a catalog, never seen another one. The biggest challenge here is you never know really if you're complete, because another new model could pop up tomorrow. Of about 40 different models here, I'm missing 1 84mm and 5 91mm models - that I know of.

4. Weird pre-WWII catalog models. These are odd knives shown in the 1903 catalog and the bain of anyone trying to amass a "complete" collection. Very few knives of any type from 1930 and before still exist, and most that do are standard Spartan/Tourist/Camper models. The unusual ones with augers, shotgun shell extractors, and hoof picks are almost impossible to find. The ones that are out there are in Switzerland, Germany or France, so if you don't live in one of those countries, good luck. Of about 6 different models here, I have 0. With the exception of my 100mm Model 290, I don't have any weird pre-WWII knives - and since that one's not 91mm or 844mm, I'm at a solid 0% for this group.

Officer's knives from Victorinox are definitely the hardest to complete a collection of IMO. They've been made for so long, with so many weird variations, that finding them all is something that would take at least a decade to do, and that if you were serious about it. Other models are a lot easier I think, even alox if you're not obsessed with the different colors. Yeah, some key knives like the 2223 and Damascus Pioneer will cost you some money, but they're out there. In fact, I could buy both of these knives right now if I felt like dropping several thousand dollars on them. There are exactly zero Model 238s (Spartan with shotgun shell extractor) for sale right now that I know of.

« Last Edit: January 22, 2016, 10:01:20 PM by jazzbass »
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2016, 02:30:13 AM »
A couple of additions to the comments I made last night. As JB mentions, there are a wide variety of ways to collect. How you go about it depends on your interests and finances. Have a plan but keep it flexible; if something interesting but outside your focus shows up don't be afraid to pick it up. Also realize your interests may change over time.  Keep in mind its a hobby, involving spare time and spare money. If it starts to interfere with more important things its time to step back and take a hard look at it. I've known a couple of obsessive collectors whose lives were a total mess. Keep things in perspective.

 Above all Have Fun!   :cheers:
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Re: Getting ALL the saks
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2016, 06:21:40 AM »
Good post Coloswiss, by all means keep it fun.  Heck I still get geeked out when I score a beater for cheap  :D.   

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