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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #30 on: March 22, 2016, 09:45:46 PM
Live and learn, right?

Absolutely. There's no right or wrong way* to make a 3D model of something, but often you'll find that whatever software you're using can't do it the way you first thought - there's one method that just seems easier than all the others.

You need to get into curves and lofts fit the kayak project. :pok:


* but some methods are definitely better than others ;)

Curves are definitely a problem for me at the moment.  I can't seem to do anything with curves and I'm still not sure if it's a limit of the software or my abilities.  I'm assuming it's me.

I did manage to locate my copy of Sketchup 8 for Dummies, and even though I'm using Sketchup 2016 it seems to be helping a lot.  I still have a long bloody way to go though.

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #31 on: March 23, 2016, 08:35:54 PM
I found this awesome gadget on eBay that allows me to keep my Surge handles closed for ONLY $12!  Well, I can't afford $12 so I decided to see if I could reverse engineer it because the internet is completely free, right?

Redundancy not included.....

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #32 on: March 23, 2016, 09:32:20 PM
:rofl: I'll take 10!
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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #33 on: March 23, 2016, 10:01:42 PM
Sneaky... that other guy copied your idea then went back in time and posted it on ebay!   :rofl:
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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #34 on: March 23, 2016, 10:30:47 PM
It's worse than that- he also went back in time and stole my design for the Flux Capacitor!   :ahhh

Since I had Sketchup open I decided to fiddle a little bit with the DefTool design a bit more.  I made it more pocketable by cutting off some corners and labeling things, because apparently that is all that is required these days to pretend something is a whole new model.  :P

I also fixed the can opener so it can be used as a bottle opener as well.  The current list of functions is:

Can Opener
Bottle opener
1/4" hex slot
Double ended screwdriver bit
4mm wrench
8mm wrench
12mm wrench
Prybar
Nail puller
Cutting edge
02 Wrench
Flathead/phillips screwdriver

The pill shaped slot is where the double ended screwdriver slot would fit, with a couple of rubber o rings to hold it in place.  I have fallen into the trap of trying to include as many functions as I can without worrying about actually using those tools... but then unlike the "designers" that do that, I have no intention of putting this into production.  :D

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #35 on: March 23, 2016, 11:24:32 PM
Grant, great start but I'll help out for ultimate success!

1. You dont have near enough dedicated hex holes.  Its considered quite a newb mistake its ok...  :D  The unspoken rule in OPT design is to make 20+ random hex cutouts scattered around like a dropped bag of skittles on the floor.  Also consider non hex holes, as they somehow also add to the mystique of the tool.  You can make fun of people who dont know what the crescent moon shaped cutout if for... smart buyers will be too afraid to ask.  Throw in some peanut shaped ones... everyone knows those are the next hex shape.

2.  Its best if you have never used or owned tools.  You're at a bit of a disadvantage there too.  The best OPT designers have backgrounds in art history or retail management, and have never even held a tool in real life.  They can quickly dismiss comments from actual tool users as they cant comprehend them.  :D

3.  Now what you need is ATTITUDE.  Post that wicked piece of swiss cheese metal art on kickstarter with BIG BOLD challenges.  No other tool has so many functions... be sure to list them all with creative uses.  Dont worry its makes no difference if the uses are stupid, its all about quantity.  (one sided not returning boomerang is fine FYI.. etc)  You can even post a giveaway contest to see if anyone can possibly conceive of a tool that can come close to yours... but that might be going too far.   :rofl:

4.  Buy a big bag to hold all the money!!!




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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #36 on: March 23, 2016, 11:37:24 PM
Well, I didn't add more hex cutouts or fancy peanuts, but I did add a spark plug gapper and a lanyard hole- does that count?

I also started thinking of a tactical black version to see if I could charge more for it.

I wonder if I should do a Kickstarter campaign for it....  could be fun to see what happens....   :think:

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #37 on: March 23, 2016, 11:48:59 PM
I had a quick search on there, and didnt see near as many of the OPTs as a year ago.  Maybe they arent as in fad anymore.

I only found one failed one.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/sharktool/sharktool-the-universal-multitool

Ah found more, had to search multitool

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2044861232/schnelle-engineering-titanium-cerberus-multitool

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/key-z/polytool-a-multitool-for-the-everyday-adventurer

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #38 on: March 24, 2016, 01:06:38 AM
Here's a challenege, a 3d printed MTO fishing lure!

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #39 on: March 24, 2016, 02:07:54 AM
A fishing lure with a bottle opener..... sounds interesting!

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #40 on: March 24, 2016, 02:12:19 AM
Well, I didn't add more hex cutouts or fancy peanuts, but I did add a spark plug gapper and a lanyard hole- does that count?

I also started thinking of a tactical black version to see if I could charge more for it.

I wonder if I should do a Kickstarter campaign for it....  could be fun to see what happens....   :think:

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I like the fact that there is an actual "blade". So many one piece tools are afraid to build in something sharp. Looks really great.

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #41 on: March 24, 2016, 07:23:32 AM
Whoa, whoa, whoa people...  we nearly missed something EPIC.


A fishing lure with a bottle opener..... sounds interesting!

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #42 on: March 24, 2016, 11:50:54 AM
Whoa, whoa, whoa people...  we nearly missed something EPIC.


A fishing lure with a bottle opener..... sounds interesting!

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Combining the two greatest activities of all time,  They'd sell like hot cakes.  :ahhh :ahhh

Is it sad that I'm already working on it?  :P

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #43 on: March 24, 2016, 11:56:02 AM
Not crazy about the outside sharp-pointy blades... still better than the Metperial though  :D
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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #44 on: March 24, 2016, 12:09:52 PM
Not crazy about the outside sharp-pointy blades... still better than the Metperial though  :D

That's not actually that hard.... :P

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #45 on: March 24, 2016, 12:54:16 PM


What's the sharpened part next to the 1/4" hex cutout for, again?

I think you need to make the flat SD a little longer than the can opener, Boss, and change the can opener's shape a bit to make it more pocket friendly. Alternatively, you could provide a good pouch for the tool to be kept in. Not a bad design overall. :tu:
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Reply #46 on: March 24, 2016, 01:10:30 PM
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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #47 on: March 24, 2016, 01:35:31 PM
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What's the sharpened part next to the 1/4" hex cutout for, again?

I think you need to make the flat SD a little longer than the can opener, Boss, and change the can opener's shape a bit to make it more pocket friendly. Alternatively, you could provide a good pouch for the tool to be kept in. Not a bad design overall. :tu:

The sharpened part next to the 1/4" hole is a sharp part..... not quite a knife blade because I hate having these things exposed, but a sharpened bit for basic cutting tasks.

The flat head actually does stick out a bit from the end of the can opener, but yeah, I have been considering extending it a bit further yet.  And I have been looking at shortening the can opener a little more so it doesn't stick out quite so much.  Without a physical version though it's hard to know where the line between function and comfort really is.

I think I'm addicted to adding features though.  The list for the version above is:

Can Opener
Bottle opener
1/4" hex slot
Double ended screwdriver bit
4mm wrench
8mm wrench
12mm wrench
Prybar
Nail puller
Cutting edge
02 Wrench
Flathead/phillips screwdriver
Lanyard hole
Spark Plug gap tool

And now I have added a 1mm x 5mm neodymium magnet on the underside of the can/bottle opener, a pointed carbide insert for breaking glass and a pocket clip.  So now I am up to seventeen functions.

Worst of all, thanks to Syph007, I am seriously considering a Kickstarter campaign now!



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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #48 on: March 24, 2016, 03:12:16 PM
I dont see that carbide window breaker working that well on the long end.  Maybe put it on one of the short ends, so you can hit windows with a backhammer sort of swing?
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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #49 on: March 24, 2016, 03:32:46 PM
That was my first thought.  I was going to put it on the end of the can opener but then two things occurred to me :

1-  it would get in the way of the screwdriver, meaning whenever you tried to loosen or tighten a screw you would also be drawing a ring around said screw.

2-  No one actually uses these to break windows, and like most of the multitools on the market with glass breaking tips, it is probably going to be useless anyway because there isn't enough mass behind it.  :-P

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #50 on: March 24, 2016, 05:16:47 PM
I really must say I understand the large variety of OPTs, it just seems so fun designing them!


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Reply #51 on: March 24, 2016, 09:36:50 PM
That was my first thought.  I was going to put it on the end of the can opener but then two things occurred to me :

1-  it would get in the way of the screwdriver, meaning whenever you tried to loosen or tighten a screw you would also be drawing a ring around said screw.

2-  No one actually uses these to break windows, and like most of the multitools on the market with glass breaking tips, it is probably going to be useless anyway because there isn't enough mass behind it.  :-P

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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #52 on: March 24, 2016, 09:50:25 PM
That was my first thought.  I was going to put it on the end of the can opener but then two things occurred to me :

1-  it would get in the way of the screwdriver, meaning whenever you tried to loosen or tighten a screw you would also be drawing a ring around said screw.

2-  No one actually uses these to break windows, and like most of the multitools on the market with glass breaking tips, it is probably going to be useless anyway because there isn't enough mass behind it.  :-P

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::) then get rid of that pokey smurf!

Actually I moved it to the end.  I may get rid of it entirely but I'll leave it for now as it is one more function... and that's what these are all about, right?  Ramming as many functions into a tool, whether they are functional or not?  :P

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Reply #53 on: March 24, 2016, 10:16:46 PM
That was my first thought.  I was going to put it on the end of the can opener but then two things occurred to me :

1-  it would get in the way of the screwdriver, meaning whenever you tried to loosen or tighten a screw you would also be drawing a ring around said screw.

2-  No one actually uses these to break windows, and like most of the multitools on the market with glass breaking tips, it is probably going to be useless anyway because there isn't enough mass behind it.  :-P

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::) then get rid of that pokey smurf!

Actually I moved it to the end.  I may get rid of it entirely but I'll leave it for now as it is one more function... and that's what these are all about, right?  Ramming as many functions into a tool, whether they are functional or not?  :P

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You should add a fish scaler then.
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Re: 3D design progress
Reply #54 on: March 24, 2016, 10:51:51 PM
If you want a challenge add pliers to one side... :D 

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