Knifeless Rebar

[Tsquare]

     It appears the knifeless rebar is now available from the leatherman website.  Just passing on the info for anyone interested. 

[rishardh]

Thanks for the update 

Does this make it carry on friendly on flights?

[Fortytwo]

Thanks for the update 

Does this make it carry on friendly on flights?

I think they said it didn't. I for one wouldn't dare try to get the saw past the TSA (although they where really nice the one time I had to pass them).

[Tsquare]

     Unfortunately it is not TSA compliant.  It is for work places that only prohibit knives.

[Poncho65]

     It appears the knifeless rebar is now available from the leatherman website.  Just passing on the info for anyone interested.

I saw that as well thanks for the update on here

I don't think I will ever buy one of those though All you get in place of no knife blades is scissors Looks like they would have been inventive and at least added another flat head screwdriver  

[Roche]

Unique or eunach?

According to the Leatherman website the KNIVES-less Rebar MSRP is an additional 33% over the standard Rebar.  For this upcharge you loose the 420HC knife, the 420HC serrated knife and the electrical crimper but do get spring-action scissors.

A textbook example of governmental interference - pay more and get less.  Created for the countries that do not trust their subjects to own a knife.

EUNACHS!

[Fortytwo]

Unique or eunach?

According to the Leatherman website the KNIVES-less Rebar MSRP is an additional 330% over the standard Rebar.  For this upcharge you loose the 420HC knife, the 420HC serrated knife and the electrical crimper but do get spring-action scissors.

A textbook example of governmental interference - pay more and get less.  Created for the countries that do not trust their subjects to own a knife.

EUNACHS!

At least for me the added cost is closer to 33% and I do not agree with your idea of who this knife is marked for. You'll notice first that their short text mentions nothing about slipping by knife-laws but rather aims at companies with knife-policies. There's also the market angle of people who already carries a dedicated knife. If you have say a Spyderco in your pocket you're not likely to start fiddling to get your Rebar blade out.

[Roche]

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At least for me the added cost is closer to 33% and I do not agree with your idea of who this knife is marked for. You'll notice first that their short text mentions nothing about slipping by knife-laws but rather aims at companies with knife-policies. There's also the market angle of people who already carries a dedicated knife. If you have say a Spyderco in your pocket you're not likely to start fiddling to get your Rebar blade out.
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OK, let's peel this onion.

1) The additional 33% is correct, that was a typo on my part and thanks for catching that, it's been corrected.

2) From Leatherman's website:"The Knifeless Rebar is perfect for environments and job sites that need a handy set of tools, yet don’t allow for knife blades."  Then I need to add environments and job sites to the original governments who do not trust their subjects / enviro-ites / job site-rs to own a knife.

3) No doubt one would use a dedicated knife over a multi-tool knife.  But that does not apply to "environments and job sites that need a handy set of tools, yet don’t allow for knife blades".    And if one has a dedicated tool for any the other 17 tools in a Rebar, do you think Leatherman would market a "can opener less Rebar"?

Here is a simple question.  Does anyone believe any of the multi-tool manufacturers offer a knifeless multi-tool because there is consumer demand, or are the multi-tool manufacturers meeting governmental requirements?

The nanny state - more costs with less performance.

[Toolslinger]

Interesting point on the electrical crimper.

Checked the LM site and they list the crimper for the regular Rebar but not for the knifeless, yet the pic of knifeless shows the crimper on the head and the pic of the regular one doesn't...

[Gareth]

At least for me the added cost is closer to 33% and I do not agree with your idea of who this knife is marked for. You'll notice first that their short text mentions nothing about slipping by knife-laws but rather aims at companies with knife-policies. There's also the market angle of people who already carries a dedicated knife. If you have say a Spyderco in your pocket you're not likely to start fiddling to get your Rebar blade out.

OK, let's peel this onion.

1) The additional 33% is correct, that was a typo on my part and thanks for catching that, it's been corrected.

2) From Leatherman's website:"The Knifeless Rebar is perfect for environments and job sites that need a handy set of tools, yet don’t allow for knife blades."  Then I need to add environments and job sites to the original governments who do not trust their subjects / enviro-ites / job site-rs to own a knife.

3) No doubt one would use a dedicated knife over a multi-tool knife.  But that does not apply to "environments and job sites that need a handy set of tools, yet don’t allow for knife blades".    And if one has a dedicated tool for any the other 17 tools in a Rebar, do you think Leatherman would market a "can opener less Rebar"?

Here is a simple question.  Does anyone believe any of the multi-tool manufacturers offer a knifeless multi-tool because there is consumer demand, or are the multi-tool manufacturers meeting governmental requirements?

The nanny state - more costs with less performance.

Roche, we don't have many rules on the forum,  but one of them is that we don't talk politics.  It's just a very fast way for friends to fall out.

[SteveC]

Interesting point on the electrical crimper.

Checked the LM site and they list the crimper for the regular Rebar but not for the knifeless, yet the pic of knifeless shows the crimper on the head and the pic of the regular one doesn't...

Weird 

Why would they produce a different plier head just to delete the crimper feature ?

[Fortytwo]

My belief is that this is a niche product for a certain set of people, who wants a tool but for one reason or another want's to skip the blade. There's very little that points to there being any government involved here since Leatherman is US based and the US government (where I believe most states would allow you to carry a Rebar with the blade) seems unlikely to force them to make such a model.

The Knifeless Rebar is however probably not aimed at MT.O members who have plenty of resources on how to do the modding yourself and where people can hook you up with spare parts as well (or have enough parts themselves).

[Toolslinger]

Interesting point on the electrical crimper.

Checked the LM site and they list the crimper for the regular Rebar but not for the knifeless, yet the pic of knifeless shows the crimper on the head and the pic of the regular one doesn't...

Weird 

Why would they produce a different plier head just to delete the crimper feature ?

I'm thinking they're actually using the same plier head and the information on the website is just messed up. Doesn't make sense to change the plier head as I've not heard of any problems with them breaking when using the crimpers.

[SteveC]

I can't believe that it would be a mistake to not list one of the known features in a brand new tool. If it is i think they better start doing more drug tests at Leatherman 

[Fortytwo]

I can't believe that it would be a mistake to not list one of the known features in a brand new tool. If it is i think they better start doing more drug tests at Leatherman 

Or the web-guy doesn't know their tools, it's not exactly a feature that is easy to spot...

[SteveC]

I can't believe that it would be a mistake to not list one of the known features in a brand new tool. If it is i think they better start doing more drug tests at Leatherman 

Or the web-guy doesn't know their tools, it's not exactly a feature that is easy to spot...

I just sent them an E-mail so we'll see what they have to say.

[SteveC]

Well that was quick


" Thank you for contacting Leatherman Tool Group, Inc.


We are very sorry for the confusion, the Electrical Crimper was not removed from the Knifeless Rebar, I believe this feature was just not included on our website. I will forward this onto our web designers to make sure its added to the website to negate any confusion in the future for someone else!

 

Best Regards, "

 

[NAME REMOVED BY REQUEST]

Customer Service

Leatherman Tool Group, Inc.

[Roche]

My belief is that this is a niche product for a certain set of people, who wants a tool but for one reason or another want's to skip the blade. There's very little that points to there being any government involved here since Leatherman is US based and the US government (where I believe most states would allow you to carry a Rebar with the blade) seems unlikely to force them to make such a model.

The Knifeless Rebar is however probably not aimed at MT.O members who have plenty of resources on how to do the modding yourself and where people can hook you up with spare parts as well (or have enough parts themselves).

I've read a few threads here discussing various countries that do have "limitations" on multi-tools, usually involving the knife, here is an example:  http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=38591.0 Plenty other examples if one searches deep enough.  The issues center around folding, locking, one hand operation or length of the blade. 
What is legal in country A is illegal in country Z.   

Regardless of where the multi-tool is made, the multi-tool needs to meet the local government requirements or the multi-tool can not be legally sold in that country.  A common example is automobiles; think of left hand drive versus right hand drive automobiles.  One is not better than the other, but having the two mandatory systems only drives up costs without adding value.

With regards to a niche product, why not offer any of the 17 tools-less versions?   That would be 17 new niche products for the Rebar alone.  Does anyone believe there is a market for such variations?

 

[jerseydevil]

My belief is that this is a niche product for a certain set of people, who wants a tool but for one reason or another want's to skip the blade. There's very little that points to there being any government involved here since Leatherman is US based and the US government (where I believe most states would allow you to carry a Rebar with the blade) seems unlikely to force them to make such a model.

The Knifeless Rebar is however probably not aimed at MT.O members who have plenty of resources on how to do the modding yourself and where people can hook you up with spare parts as well (or have enough parts themselves).

I've read a few threads here discussing various countries that do have "limitations" on multi-tools, usually involving the knife, here is an example:  http://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=38591.0 Plenty other examples if one searches deep enough.  The issues center around folding, locking, one hand operation or length of the blade. 
What is legal in country A is illegal in country Z.   

Regardless of where the multi-tool is made, the multi-tool needs to meet the local government requirements or the multi-tool can not be legally sold in that country.  A common example is automobiles; think of left hand drive versus right hand drive automobiles.  One is not better than the other, but having the two mandatory systems only drives up costs without adding value.

With regards to a niche product, why not offer any of the 17 tools-less versions?   That would be 17 new niche products for the Rebar alone.  Does anyone believe there is a market for such variations?

Personally I carry a knifeless mod often, and I live in a state that's very liberal when it comes to blades. The argument you're making is political, and has no place here. This is truly an international forum, and it's not for you to decide what's right or not. Please, you've already been warned.

[Huntsman]

What I want to know is why LM are charging us 33% more to remove two tools and add in one!!

I reckon it is LM who are being exploitative here.

I don't buy the economies of scale argument. The production line is the same - it is only the final assembly where there is a difference.
Of course the tool variations will make some cost difference, and scissors are one of the most expensive tools to make, with multiple parts, springs, rivets, separate assembly etc.
 
- But (scissor cost - parts and build) - (cost of the two blades)  is 33% > (the cost of the whole regular tool)

...... I don't think so 

[Demel]

I will be getting one to compare with my Rebar II

[Obi1shinobee]

Knifeless Rebar 

[SteveC]

^  Now that's how it's done Leatherman   

[Poncho65]

All I want is for them to take the serrated blade out and add the scissors and charge the same price for the tool

[Obi1shinobee]

All I want is for them to take the serrated blade out and add the scissors and charge the same price for the tool

You can do that 

[Obi1shinobee]

Update 

[SteveC]

I like the first version better 

[Obi1shinobee]

I like the first version better 

Same but i take off small Flathead Blast out and put rebar Flathead + Guthook 

[Poncho65]

All I want is for them to take the serrated blade out and add the scissors and charge the same price for the tool

You can do that 

I know but if they would have made it that way from the start I wouldn't have had 2

I found a post I made in the first SUpertool 300 thread were Grant got to announce the 300 here at the forum and I made the comment about updating the PST to a small version of the 300 I got my wish with the Rebar but wished they hadn't taken it so literal

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,11095.msg205901.html#msg205901 

[SteveC]

I like the first version better 

Same but i take off small Flathead Blast out and put rebar Flathead + Guthook 

You just can't leave your tool alone