Juice KF4 appropriate for police

[yud]

That willl be limited indeed, and hands will blister, even with gloves. Let's hope the fire brigade or army arrives in time. It would be wise, if there would be a multi-tool, inflatable boat, and dedicated survival-kit in every attick in flood prone regions. 

Flood preparedness tips:
http://mema.maryland.gov/Pages/floodProneZones.aspx

I just noticed this and hear is the thing, forgive me if I am wrong but you probably have never been in a really bad flood (and to be fair neither have I but I did live through a hundred year flood, which is basically a once in a lifetime flood) and any boat you could keep in your attic, would in all likelihood die before it got you to safety flood water is fast and  treacherous no telling what is in there and most people do not have the skills to read the water well enough to get to safety.  Also if you are talking about water up to the roof you might be a mile or more from dry ground which is going to be tough in a rubber boat.  Also a MT is worthless in that situation, I kayak a lot, a fixed blade is what you need.

Anyway I wanted to add this so no one finding this through Google would blindly follow this idea.

[Etherealicer]

You have two basic choices:

You can carry tools that will cover 99% of your everyday needs and emergencies:
This is the lower end, you might miss out on gear but you carry a lot less weight.

Or you carry tools that will cover everything you can imagine (and that includes broken tools, so you need everything twice).
Of course that way it gets way more heavy.

The problem is, that as you said, cops are already quite packed. So, unless you are willing to carry even more weight you have to go to the 99% and leave some things at home.
Not every cop needs the same things, as not every cop patrols the same area / operates under the same conditions. I think a lot of cops carry "only" a knife because it covers their needs, the knife is their 99%.

If there is a car accident, you need a glass breaker and a belt cutter, if you need to cut someone out of the car you will need heavy equipment.
If a building burns or collapses alert the fire-department, regulate traffic to prevent accidents, keep people from going inside to rescue valuables...

You will notice when earthquake / tornado / hurricane / flood occur. Like every sane person, seek shelter, after that pack some more gear and go back on patrol

[Rico-2]

any boat you could keep in your attic, would in all likelihood die before it got you to safety flood water is fast and  treacherous no telling what is in there and most people do not have the skills to read the water well enough to get to safety. Also if you are talking about water up to the roof you might be a mile or more from dry ground which is going to be tough in a rubber boat.  Also a MT is worthless in that situation, I kayak a lot, a fixed blade is what you need.

After a few hours or days the flood-water may become quite. Trapped flood victims should follow government instructions  which they can receive via their compact battery radio. If evacuation in an inflatable boat is wise or not, depends on many variables and estimations.

One category variables comprises the need to go, like shortage of food or clean drinking water, medical emergency, emotional distress, temperature, etc.

Another category variables comprises the risks of leaving. Like personal physical condition, age, water temperature, water flow speed, flood depth, weather forecast, distance to destination, caracteristics of the destination, boat quality, group size, equipment, knowledge, skills and experience, number of boats, etc.

An inflatable boat can tear easily to sharp objects like barb wire or floating planks with nails sticking out, and then one could drown fast from hypothermia and muscle problems in cold water.

But having one or two sturdy inflatable boats in ones attick, together with a well composed survival kit, will certainly offer more options to choose from.

Such a kit in an urban environment contains ideally a medium sized multi-tool plus a small fixed blade, among many other items, including warm clothing, rain ponchos and clean drinking water.

Video: Couple Plucked From River

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/weather/couple-in-dramatic-rescue-from-roof-of-car-swept-away-by-floods-20150421-1mqdgl.html

[Rico-2]

if you are talking about water up to the roof you might be a mile or more from dry ground which is going to be tough in a rubber boat.

The house may be close to a levy. Or there may be another flooded building in the neighborhood, that can offer more equipment, provisions, care or protection from the elements.

[yud]

if you are talking about water up to the roof you might be a mile or more from dry ground which is going to be tough in a rubber boat.

The house may be close to a levy. Or there may be another flooded building in the neighborhood, that can offer more equipment, provisions, care or protection from the elements.

So steal from you neighbors 

Yes I had thought of a levy being near by, but unless it is across the street you still run into many of the same problems also you have to wonder about the security of said levy.

There really is an endless number of problems with inflatable boats in a flood, no matter if the water is rising or falling.  It would be far better to wait it out or call in rescue.

[Rico-2]

So steal from you neighbors 

To buy some food, and to encourage each other, or maybe to rescue their lives. BTW many pregnancies start in floods. That is one of the reasons that condoms should be in a survival kit.

Yes I had thought of a levy being near by, but unless it is across the street you still run into many of the same problems also you have to wonder about the security of said levy.

Yes, and houses can collapse. Many serious risks are present in disasters.

There really is an endless number of problems with inflatable boats in a flood, no matter if the water is rising or falling.  It would be far better to wait it out or call in rescue.

That would often be preferable indeed, if the situation allows that. But many people fail to store some provisions, and a survival kit with multi-tool in their atticks. I hope our converstion can save some lives in the future.

[yud]

In this flood situation what are you going to use the MT for?  If you had enough warning to get to the attic you could grab your real household tools and the all important can opener, no need for a micro can opener.

[Rico-2]

In this flood situation what are you going to use the MT for?  If you had enough warning to get to the attic you could grab your real household tools and the all important can opener, no need for a micro can opener.

The multi-tool in the attic is needed, if you are surprised by a sudden flood/levy break, and are not able to get to the equipment in the flooded part of your house. The multi-tool is also needed, if you have to evacuate, and in many other possible types of emergency or disaster.

[Fortytwo]

So we are now looking at a minimum of three survival kits with multitool included per family. One per vehicle, one in a bug-out bag and one in the attic. Shouldn't there be a bug-out bag at every exit of the house, preferably including every window? In case you don't have time to fetch the one at your main entrance? You're looking at a very high price for this highly unlikely scenario (flash-flood blocking the entire house apart from the attic with no rescue team likely to show up in the two days or so you can go without water). A better deal would be to install a roof hatch so you could make it onto the roof (no need to saw through the roof for four hours).

[SteveC]

So we are now looking at a minimum of three survival kits with multitool included per family. One per vehicle, one in a bug-out bag and one in the attic. Shouldn't there be a bug-out bag at every exit of the house, preferably including every window? In case you don't have time to fetch the one at your main entrance? You're looking at a very high price for this highly unlikely scenario (flash-flood blocking the entire house apart from the attic with no rescue team likely to show up in the two days or so you can go without water). A better deal would be to install a roof hatch so you could make it onto the roof (no need to saw through the roof for four hours).

Yes, and don't forget to pack the condoms   

[Etherealicer]

So we are now looking at a minimum of three survival kits with multitool included per family. One per vehicle, one in a bug-out bag and one in the attic. Shouldn't there be a bug-out bag at every exit of the house, preferably including every window? In case you don't have time to fetch the one at your main entrance? You're looking at a very high price for this highly unlikely scenario (flash-flood blocking the entire house apart from the attic with no rescue team likely to show up in the two days or so you can go without water). A better deal would be to install a roof hatch so you could make it onto the roof (no need to saw through the roof for four hours).

That is probably the 2nd best idea, the only better idea would be to move to higher ground or a different place altogether.

Seriously, if water rises this fast enough to trap you under the roof it probably also bring heavy floating objects, like the neighbors truck, which will pound your house into oblivion.
I once had 30cm of water outside of my glass door (1st floor, the "balcony" had a small green patch with plants and stuff and it rained so hard the water could not drain quickly enough). However, the water did not come inside, as wall and glass-door held tight for a short time (the firefighter pumped the water out before it started to leak). So even if the water rises fast, you probably have a grace period.
If you are really worried about floods I highly recommend a warning system / alarm that goes off if water starts to rise in your house (ideally in the cellar, that way you gain a lot of time).

[mikekoz]

If they're already carrying a gun, flash light, handcuffs, taser, radio, club, bulletproof vest, ect, I don't think something like a Wave would be all that noticeable.  At least the weight difference between that and a Juice wouldn't be, IMHO.

     I also do not see how any multitool's weight is going to matter when all of that other stuff is on a Policeman's belt. I am not a cop, but I would carry a larger multi on me if I was, like a Surge. I keep two multitools on me at work, a Gerber Fit and a crappy Dewalt (I like the pliers) in one sheath, and I hardly " notice they are there. My phone, which is a LG V10 phablet, is also on my belt.

[yud]

So we are now looking at a minimum of three survival kits with multitool included per family. One per vehicle, one in a bug-out bag and one in the attic. Shouldn't there be a bug-out bag at every exit of the house, preferably including every window? In case you don't have time to fetch the one at your main entrance? You're looking at a very high price for this highly unlikely scenario (flash-flood blocking the entire house apart from the attic with no rescue team likely to show up in the two days or so you can go without water). A better deal would be to install a roof hatch so you could make it onto the roof (no need to saw through the roof for four hours).

Yes, and don't forget to pack the condoms