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The Pioneer X Owners Club 31217

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #600 on: March 01, 2019, 05:57:04 AM »
FINALLY! I can join in!   :woohoo:
Just got this in today!  :mail:


Looks familiar??





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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #601 on: March 01, 2019, 06:20:03 AM »
Congrats guys :like:
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 16,837 I'm not a pessimist, I'm an experienced optimist!
Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #602 on: March 01, 2019, 11:44:16 AM »
Just passing through  :D

I got a Pioneer X a few days ago, the final piece of fodder for a planned mod later in the year. I filled the tread on the scales with some adhesive and brass powder so I can carry it (hate the feel of 93mm/84mm alox) and have given it a few days pocket time.

I wanted to see what the fuss was about regarding the nail nick placement, and now appreciate what people were grumbling about. It really does make fishing the scissors out more awkward, and there is no design advantage in use to moving that to the outside face. After some thought, I think I know why they did it, but wish they hadn't. I'll be drilling out some 91mm scissors for the mod, and getting that nail nick back where it belongs.

The other significant annoyance is the lanyard ring spacer, which really screws up the ergonomics of the knife, particularly when using the main blade or can opener. That will have to go too.

Aside from that, the knife is a good size and weight, and I do like knives that don't give two spear blades. I don't mind knives with more than one blades, so long as there's a significant difference to any additional blades, such as a hawkbill or serrations.

I think I've learned enough about this knife to confine it to the mod fodder pile, and go back to one of my regular carry options. I like the fact that there's now a proper scissor spring available for 93mm mods, but as it stands, I'm afraid I wouldn't want to carry the Pioneer X as it comes from the factory.



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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #603 on: March 01, 2019, 12:45:44 PM »
Very nice looking PioneerX  MS lll and zrxoa1  :like: :tu:

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #604 on: March 01, 2019, 04:17:24 PM »
FINALLY! I can join in!   :woohoo:
Just got this in today!  :mail:
Another blue!  :like: :tu:
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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #605 on: March 01, 2019, 04:18:23 PM »

Looks familiar??


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Oh wow, that is very nice!  :cheers: :salute:
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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #606 on: March 01, 2019, 04:18:51 PM »
I just love the blue Alox SAKs :dd: :like: :like:

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #607 on: March 01, 2019, 04:24:41 PM »
I just love the blue Alox SAKs :dd: :like: :like:

Just a P, no X....





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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #608 on: March 01, 2019, 04:25:47 PM »
Just a P, no X....

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I like that Nite clip!  :tu:
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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #609 on: March 01, 2019, 04:26:31 PM »
Very nice zrxoa1  :dd: :like: :like:

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #610 on: March 01, 2019, 04:26:44 PM »
I like that Nite clip!  :tu:

Me, too!!!  Carries nice.




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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #611 on: March 01, 2019, 04:34:08 PM »
How does the clip feel when you are using the SAK :think: :tu:

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #612 on: March 01, 2019, 05:00:42 PM »
How does the clip feel when you are using the SAK :think: :tu:

It’s a bit intrusive, but no more than any other clip. Not bad really. You know it’s there but I wouldn’t take it off.

I’ve used those clips on everything from a Buck 110 Classic to a Leatherman original Wave. Like then very much!




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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #613 on: March 01, 2019, 05:05:39 PM »
They do look very handy clips  :like: :tu:

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #614 on: March 01, 2019, 05:38:51 PM »
Not joined the club yet.  After reading AW post I'm not entirely sure I will just yet.  If I happen upon one I pick it up but I don't think I'll pursue one. 

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #615 on: March 01, 2019, 05:42:16 PM »
You never know Aloha you might like the PX :dunno: :D

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #616 on: March 01, 2019, 06:15:01 PM »
Very true.  I've not seen one in person.  I'm sure I'll happen upon one soon enough.  I have been enjoying my SI and the addition of scissors really sounds awesome. 

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #617 on: March 01, 2019, 06:23:40 PM »
I haven’t got any problems with getting the scissors to come out of the scales
I know some people have a big problem with that  :tu:

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #618 on: March 01, 2019, 09:23:14 PM »
I haven’t got any problems with getting the scissors to come out of the scales
I know some people have a big problem with that  :tu:

I did cut myself when first getting the scissors out, but I have now figured out how to do so with no issues.

I keep very short finger nails. That doesn’t help.


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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #619 on: March 01, 2019, 09:38:36 PM »
Not joined the club yet.  After reading AW post I'm not entirely sure I will just yet.  If I happen upon one I pick it up but I don't think I'll pursue one.

What did I say that put you off? Was it the scissor access?



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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #620 on: March 01, 2019, 09:45:35 PM »
It’s a bit intrusive, but no more than any other clip. Not bad really. You know it’s there but I wouldn’t take it off.

I’ve used those clips on everything from a Buck 110 Classic to a Leatherman original Wave. Like then very much!




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Thanks for the information  :like: :tu:
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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #621 on: March 01, 2019, 09:58:19 PM »
For Aloha, and anyone else wondering about the scissor access...

The spine of the main blade, and the spine of the can opener are pretty much the same height, and rising at the same angle, so in theory, the nail nick is no more obstructed being on the outside edge as it is on the Pioneer X, to being on the inside as it is on the 91mm knives

(Pic 1 below)

What makes the difference, is that on the 91mm knives, there's plenty of space between the spine of the blade and the nail nick, (Pic 2 below) because you are reaching over the lower scissor blade (left hand side as pictured below), but now on the 93mm, the nail nick is tight up against the adjacent tool, the can opener (right hand side as pictured)

I've thought long and hard as to why they did this, and can only reach one conclusion. At a glance differentiation of parts. It stops the stores pulling the wrong parts, or at least gives the assemblers chance to notice, before they drop scissors drilled 3mm in a 91mm knife. There's no other reason to move it, or to change tooling from the smaller framed version. I wish they'd chosen to mark the tang in some way instead, which would have allowed them some differentiation, without making it harder to get in to the nail nick.



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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #622 on: March 02, 2019, 01:32:38 AM »
The nail nick is reversed on the new 111mm linerlock Outrider too, also a bigger pin size. I think Syph investigated this at length in a Mod Squad thread somewhere...

Too bad they don't use a screw joint anymore, it would be a simple matter to screw a 91mm handle onto a 93mm scissors, the moving part has the nick.  :-\
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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #623 on: March 03, 2019, 05:16:09 PM »
The PioneerX  :tu:


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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #624 on: March 03, 2019, 10:03:47 PM »
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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #625 on: March 03, 2019, 10:09:56 PM »
Thanks Rapidray  :cheers: :like:

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #626 on: March 04, 2019, 03:49:37 PM »
The PioneerX  :tu:


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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #627 on: March 04, 2019, 05:49:13 PM »
The Pioneer X is perfect for the office.

Knife blade for food preparation, reamer for opening boxes and letters, scissors for cutting, can opener for screwing, bottle opener for screwing, too, and also for when the working day ends and the beer begins.
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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #628 on: March 04, 2019, 08:04:46 PM »
 :like: Sure sounds perfect. 

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Re: The Pioneer X Owners Club
« Reply #629 on: March 05, 2019, 03:26:50 AM »

 

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