Been doing some work in the Wiki

[Huntsman]

Revised the Artisan page to include the Craftsman and 136ka name/number in the description. I hope this maintains the current use and reference to the name 'Artisan' while respecting the actual historic naming and numbering of this knife.
........

Hi KK (and Knights)
Following our discussion on this topic in the Craftsman Love page - This update was on my do list – But you beat me to it !   
I was actually going to do it this weekend!     .... Really !!!

However, I was planning a slightly different approach to what you have done.
Also, I don’t think that we can say the Artisan was called the Craftsman "for decades before the name was reused for the 91mm 6-layer versions" given the back spring Phillips only came out in ’52 and the Craftsman we believe was born in 1973!
So the maximum it could have been is two   – Which I don’t think counts as "....for decades ....." !!

I was planning to add a Name Disambiguation section - in common with other Wiki pages where we have duplication / confusion over names.

So my update would have looked like this  – The red texts would be hyperlinks to the appropriate pages.
I was not sure about putting the old model number in the top section, as shown here – Or just in the identification section at the bottom
– Preference I think I is the latter - and probably also in the History section !!
I would also edit the History section a bit as it too talks about the name switches.

The Artisan (old style model number 136ka) is a four-layer 84mm Victorinox knife with and the same basic tool selection as the larger 91mm Fieldmaster, and is also known as the Fieldmaster – Small.

Name Disambiguation:
The French word ‘artisan’ when translated into English is ‘craftsman’ and this name was historically used for this model, at least in the US market (see this catalogue).
In approximately 1973 the Craftsman name was re-used for the six-layer 91mm Craftsman.
This naming may also explain why the Master Craftsman is smaller than the current Craftsman – As it is larger (size and layers) than this model..

I was also planning to put an equivalent update to the Craftsman and Master Craftsman pages

Let me know what you think folks

[kamakiri]

'40s, '50s, '60s, '70s...decades.  I think just the proposed name disambiguation is missing the point a bit.  Look at JB's post again...the knife is originally a Craftsman numbered 136ka. Otherwise the whole page should be renamed 'Craftsman 84mm' or something like that, and relink all the relevant pages.  I think that would be more confusing considering how things got here.

[Huntsman]

Hi KK

I was editing this post in flight - a couple of time - as I was checking things out/proof reading - So how it reads now may not be how your read it when you replied - Apologies for that

The back spring Phillips came out in 52 - Right? The six layer Craftsman came out in 73 -
So if we assume that the 84mm Phillips came out at the the same time as the 91mm Phillips - The maximum it can have been is 21 years - I make that two decades !

Please can you explain what point is the name disambiguation section missing - I am not clear on this

Also - Are you sure that back in the day - the 136ka was called a 'Craftsman' in the German/French speaking country of Switzerland - It's just the English translation of the name .... right??
Also back in those days the numeric numbers were the main identifier - Correct  ?
I don't think we should be re-organising the Wiki around English translations of Swiss names - or US catalogues - When we know importers/dealers quite often mucked around with the names ! At least before the names got stanardised mid 70s

I think like you said in the Craftsman thread - It would be really good to see a catalogue of the 136ka with another name - eg Artisan !!

Also please can you tell me to which JB post you are referring   

[kamakiri]

The back spring Phillips came out in 52 - Right? The six layer Craftsman came out in 73 -
So if we assume that the 84mm Phillips came out at the the same time as the 91mm Phillips - The maximum it can have been is 21 years - I make that two decades !

'52 is wrong on the phillips. Doesn't explain the 'PWAR' '46 to '51 copies with the backspring phillips that are 'crab-claw' and pre- US PAT PEND/+PAT.



We can argue the semantics or just drop the 'decades' part if it bothers anyone else.  But two decadeS is still plural.

Please can you explain what point is the name disambiguation section missing - I am not clear on this

That the 136ka was ever called Craftsman.

Also - Are you sure that back in the day - the 136ka was called a 'Craftsman' in the German/French speaking country of Switzerland - It's just the English translation of the name .... right??
Also back in those days the numeric numbers were the main identifier - Correct  ?
I don't think we should be re-organising the Wiki around English translations of Swiss names - or US catalogues - When we know importers/dealers quite often mucked around with the names ! At least for info before the names got stanardised mid 70s

I think like you said in the Craftsman thread - It would be really good to see a catalogue of the 136ka with another name - eg Artisan !!

Also please can you tell me to which JB post you are referring   

I quoted it it one page back...here it is again:

The confusion arises because the SAK collecting community - the American community in particular - over the years has come up with what I call "collector's names" to refer to certain models. In almost all cases, this is done when the model either didn't have an official name (as was typical prior to the mid 1970s) or where it's official name was subsequently recycled onto another knife. These names are typically derived from either their 91mm equivalents (e.g. Huntsman Small) or from names found in catalogs from other countries. The SIMCO Canadian catalogs especially have contributed several "collector's names".

The knife we call the "Artisan" (136k, aka 84mm Fieldmaster) was sold in the US as the "Craftsman" almost exclusively. We use the Artisan name (French for Craftsman, btw) from the SIMCO to avoid confusion with the 91mm models of the same name. I have a several of these NIB - the boxes all say "Craftsman".

The '80 SMICO catalog only proves that the first 6 layer fish scaler type was ever called Artisan.

It seems to me that boxes left the factory in the PWAR period with both names and numbers. Good enough for me.

This is a Woodsman example...but the same idea:

[kamakiri]

And the '73 'end' is suspect as well. Might be '76 or later that it was still officially called Craftsman.

[Huntsman]

New page for the annual limited edition Alox models - Yay !!      
And great photos ..... 

Thanks Nick4     

[jaya_man]

If needed, here’s a pic showing all the colors released to date...

I guess now the Pioneer, Cadet and Classic pages needs to be updated accordingly as well.

I read somewhere that there was some official protest on Vic’s LE2019 name choice... And now the official color is now just Gold instead of Champagne Gold...

Also, don’t know how true this information is, rumors are about that there will be no nespresso pioneers for 2020...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Huntsman]

Very nice pic Jaya - We'll put this in the gallery - And probably on the page

The Cadet page has been updated with this info for a while ! We'll check the other two.

I heard that gold rumour two - I am sure from the same source - What a load of twaddle - Surely Champagne Gold is not a protected expression !!

Shame about the Nespressos if true - I am not a collector - But they were pretty nice -  Although a bit expensive 

[Nick4]

New page for the annual limited edition Alox models - Yay !!      
And great photos ..... 

Thanks Nick4     

Sorry, I haven't enough time now to work on the SAKWiki project. But I'll try to do all my best.

If needed, here’s a pic showing all the colors released to date...

Great photo, jaya_man! 

I read somewhere that there was some official protest on Vic’s LE2019 name choice... And now the official color is now just Gold instead of Champagne Gold...

As I can see from the Victoriniox website page, they describe this colour now as 'champagne-gold-hued':

The champagne-gold-hued Alox scales characterize this year’s collection.

Very nice pic Jaya

 

We'll put this in the gallery - And probably on the page

Please feel free to make any modifications. 

[Huntsman]

As I can see from the Victoriniox website page, they describe this colour now as 'champagne-gold-hued':

Does that mean we now have to call the classic Swiss Army Knife scales 'red-hued' and the other common colour 'black-hued'       

For those of you who did not hear - The objection was over the use of the word Champagne as this is allegedly unique to a type of wine coming from a region of France

I get it: Calling a bubbly white wine from China, or even Australia, Champagne - Is not right  - But objecting to using it to describe a colour is a bit ridiculous   (IMHO!!    )

[Nick4]

Does that mean we know have to call the classic Swiss Army Knife scales 'red-hued' and the other common colour 'black-hued'       

For my Russian ears, it sounds obscene.

Show content

(“Hue” sounds a bit like a Russian word meaning a smurf.)

[kamakiri]

Made some minor edits and additions to the Victorinox Master Craftsman Small page.

Updated start reference form 1960s to 1950s and added 136kma reference and picture.

This model became available in the 1950s when it would have been known as a model 136kma, and later as 136kmaU, prior to names being used by Victorinox. Hoffritz versions were produced into the mid-1970s.

Added Identifiers:
136ka
136 - Hoffritz Master Craftsman - 1960s
11037 - Hoffritz Explorer - 1970s

Added under Related Knives:
Master Craftsman - The equivalent 91mm version - Removes toothpick and tweezers before mid-1960s
Artisan - Removes the file and bail or keyring

[Huntsman]

Great - Thanks KK - Nice update

[kamakiri]

  Thanks, Huntsman! Also made some small additions to Outdoorsman_Original (History and Identifiers) and Artisan (picture row) pages yesterday. The Outdoorsman history text I added is clumsy and this is one of the pages that I plan to expand on, but I really wanted to fix the incorrect note about only 1970s production.

[Huntsman]

Hi Knights, SAK Fans and the World,   

Well it’s time for our annual report and check in about what has been happening in the Wiki.   
We have not had one for nearly two years and there is so much to say I am going to split this up into five updates, each of which will each be a separate post!   

What is really exciting about the recent Wiki work  is that lots of people have been involved
– And this is not just Wiki editors, or even MT.o members, we have had other people/groups helping us out too. 

We also have a few questions for you about Wiki structure, approach etc   

And there will also be a few stats thrown in for good measure.   

Anyway, let’s start right at the top.

Home Page Updates
We realised recently that the Wiki main page does not even mention what most people consider to be a Swiss Army Knife.   
It discussed history, the Soldiers, the two companies, but did not mention the …… (red scaled) Officer’s Knife.
So we have a new fourth paragraph that introduces this! The last three paragraphs have also been juggled somewhat.
And here is the first  (baby) question:    On this page following a couple of paragraphs we have the expression "See Wiki pages right →"
I like the arrow and it works really well from a PC screen - as the arrow points at the menus on the right. Not so good on a smart phone as the screen is restructured.
So do we leave the expression as is? Or maybe just say:  "See Wiki pages" ?   

Family Trees
We have inserted Max Stone’s fabulous 91mm and 130mm family trees into the main 130mm and 91mm pages.
This was done towards the end of May this year – Since then they have had over 21,000 hits – Amazing – Thank you Max for these great artifacts.
(Note I am pretty sure that when the page that contains the image gets a hit – A hit is registered against the image)

OK now onto some more exciting stuff!!
New Wiki Pages
You would think that the Wiki is fairly static eh?  ........  Not so at all    
The following brand new pages have been added to the Wiki in the last year or so

I would urge you all to visit all of these pages as they really are great       Many are accessed by the Series pages:
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Wenger+Series+and+Special+Editions
https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Series+and+Special+Editions

• Victorinox Nespresso Series
  
• Victorinox Piece of Switzerland Series
  
• Victorinox Place to be Series
  
• Victorinox Christmas Series
  
• Victorinox Classic SD Limited Edition – This page features NeleDo’s amazing family picture of every single one of these from 2010 - 2019
  
• Victorinox Road Tour Series
  
• Victorinox Annual Alox Limited Editions
  
• Victorinox Officers Knife 100th Anniversary Special Edition
  
• Victorinox Garant – This needed its own page as we found out there are two variations
  
• Victorinox Skipper Pro – This page and the one below feature probably my most favourite images in the Wiki from PitirM – Why? The images themselves are great, and of amazing quality and composition, However the best thing is they are all in context in a nautical setting – So often images are just of a SAK on a table and not really being used.
  
• Victorinox Large Marlin Spike
  
• Victorinox LockBlade
  
• Wenger Switzerland Series
  
• Wenger Patagonia Series
  
• Wenger Titanium Series
  
• Wenger Leather and Steel Series – This page and the next one was promised to Coloswiss and features his images
  
• Wenger Special Edition
  
• Delémont Evolution 23
  
• Delémont Evolution S13
  
• Delémont Evolution s52
  
• Delemont Evolution Junior 09
  
• Wenger Ranger 38-36
  
• Wenger Biker 36
  
• Wenger Evo 64
  

We owe a massive, massive vote of thanks and gratitude to one of our newer editors Nick4, as he created nearly all these pages for us. 
However, thanks are also due to two other new editors Max Stone (recognise that name!!) who is working away at the Delémont pages and xfile who also created some of these pages. 


I am also really happy as this now means our Wenger Series page is now complete – It had had missing links till this week!!   

So what are the next exciting installments? 

• Pages with significant revisions
  
• The Great Gallery Reorganisation Project
  
• The Great Identifiers Restructuring Project
  
• Other stuff!!
  

So watch this space!!

[Nick4]

We owe a massive, massive vote of thanks and gratitude to one of our newer editors Nick4, as he created nearly all these pages for us. 

My pleasure.    And without your great help, this would not have been possible.   

[Ivo]

Just updated the Chinese Zodiac page, I added 2018 - 2019 - 2020 including pics. 

[Mechanickal]

[Huntsman]

Great stuff Ivo - Thanks very much - Welcome to the SAKWiki editing team

Edit PS: Even the 2020 model is there - Amazing - We are ahead of ourselves     - That's a first - See above and below!! 

[Ivo]

Thanks Huntsman 

[Ivo]

New page created "Victorinox Ukraine Edition". The link can be found in several other pages in the "Variations" sections from Classic SD , Spartan , Nomad , Waiter , Climber and Huntsman. 
This is the link to go straight away to the new page :

https://www.sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+Ukraine+Edition

[Nick4]

New page created "Victorinox Ukraine Edition".

It looks great! 

[Huntsman]

Wow - Amazing - I never knew about those -  And so many   
Thanks Ivo          

I added a link to your new page in the Victorinox Series Page
And created a new sub-gallery gallery for the images which is in the Series Gallery (and moved the images)

EDIT: PS Come to think of it I had seen a couple of the black city models on the bay - But none of the others

[Ivo]

It looks great! 

Thanks Nick 

[Ivo]

Wow - Amazing - I never knew about those -  And so many   
Thanks Ivo          

I added a link to your new page in the Victorinox Series Page
And created a new sub-gallery gallery for the images which is in the Series Gallery (and moved the images)

EDIT: PS Come to think of it I had seen a couple of the black city models on the bay - But none of the others

I have several of these Ukraine Spartans.
Thanks for correcting my error with the galleries. 

[Mechanickal]

I registered for an account once...
I need to get to work on this

All talk and no action is not how I should roll...

[Ivo]

  that's why I start rolling 

[Huntsman]

Thanks for correcting my error with the galleries. 

No problem - They needed a new gallery anyway - And I think only admins can create new gelleries
It's just great to have the page and images there and you helping out !     

I need to get to work on this

Do it man - Be good to have you on board      

[Ivo]

I'm glad I can help, I worked 36 years in IT and now I'm 4 years unemployed so I'm happy I can help out.
I used to be a mainframe system engineer and also made dynamic websites on mainframes without using any web designer tools so I wrote them strait in html. For some of them I combined 4 or 5 different programming languages together. These times where awesome. 

[Mechanickal]

And I have like...

Uhm...

A camera...

And... Uhm... An account