Can you say what acid/concentration/temperature or it is top secret? Once I tried ortophosforic acid low concentration and got nice deep patina
Quote from: MiniChamp on May 13, 2019, 01:23:37 PM...this thread is still an important source of information about certain SAK evolution issues that I don't recall seeing discussed elsewhere...That was my main point about this thread. From my first post here:
...this thread is still an important source of information about certain SAK evolution issues that I don't recall seeing discussed elsewhere...
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Tony - What precisely is your question here please? Are you asking what model you have? or what age is your model? or what? - It is not clear !For sure it is not a Climber if it has a file, if it is Spartan plus scissors and file - It is a Mountaineer If it has the back-spring screwdriver, by my definition - It is not vintage! See below .... as the back SD came in in 1977 1973 ....... And also not a Mountaineer - As I don't think that model had one For model queries see here: https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Victorinox+91mmFor dating queries see here:https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,51872.msg1629826.html#msg1629826Could be a custom model for the Swiss Jewel Company - If so please describe all tools layers etc - and we could put in in the Wiki as variation
Please see my original reply ......
Sorry and thanks! Asking the experts. Yes, model, maybe I didn't Wiki enough... year? my dad had it when I was young and I am now 65 ...It is a basic Climber tool set add metal file. Only back tools are the awl and a flat type driver/scraper kinda hidden by the corkscrew which has the ridges, 4 turns.The belt pouch is a brown basket weave type, on the belt loop is stamped 28-009 but I may have purchased it later. Oh, the Tweezers has a metal tip too.Hoping to add to this great effort- The scizzors spring (screw scizzors) I can't replace with ones I just got from a certain Knife Shop, should have left the half broken, it worked...And as mentioned Swiss Jewel Company on reverse, regular Vic shield on the obverse.Thanks dont sweat it, again, just contributing! May try to get an Avi shot if necessary.Thanks again gang
Cool! Can you show (or describe) the tang stamps on the main blade of this Champion? Thanks!
Stamps are VO CB and VSS, used c.1952-1957 imho(Image removed from quote.)
Hey TonySo this sounds like a custom Mountaineer to me - Custom as they have added the fine screwdriver on the back of the file - which would be normal for a Champion from that period, but not a Mountaineer.Maybe it was customised for the Swiss Jewel Company - as they thought the fine SD would be good for jewelers - eg Prizing back off watch or watch spring etcI used to have a lot of confidence in my dating spreadsheet - However now I get very nervous with my dates, as there are way more knowledgeable people than me around, who correct me. However .....I would say the model comes from 73-78. 73 as you have the SD and four looped corkscrew 78 as you have metal tipped tweezersDoes the file have the smooth end or does the file surface go right up to the tip? That would but it before or after 75You can check the file and screwdriver shapes here - This is the SAAMs site we talked about earlier in this thread - So bear in mind some dates are out! eg Corkscrew and SD!http://victorinox.metodi.me/91mmtools.php#finescrewThe double spring came in in 75 too - So a Vic replacement spring could fit - It is quite hard to get in without the special tool but can be doneIf the scissors had the single leafed spring I think a newer spring can still be used if you pinch the wee loop with pliers a bit to make it smaller ? Hope that helps
Does the file have the smooth end or does the file surface go right up to the tip? That would but it before or after 75
The double spring came in in 75 too
I think the 2.5mm end pins confirm the date range too? My guess is that it has an aluminum 'bird head' spacer ~1.6mm thick.
Stamps are VO CB and VSS, used c.1952-1957 imho
I used to have a lot of confidence in my dating spreadsheet - However now I get very nervous with my dates, as there are way more knowledgeable people than me around, who correct me.
Nice pics jnoxyd! I have the same Champion model only mine has the phillips screwdriver instead of the cork screw.It has the same blade stampings.It was NOS in the box when I bought it.Click on pictures for best pictures
See what I mean !!I had a feeling that you'd say exactly that! ie 75 --> 73Although I even asked for corrections in my dating thread - I am just dealing with the tidal wave - And it's all good - As the collective knowledge improves!!
I think to M0rkoni's point in creating this thread, it's easier to discuss chronology when you're already looking at a picture example of a knife and various members are estimating/evaluating it's likely production date.
Excellent example VICMAN!!
It looks like 84mm Super Tinker with LNF is not so common as 84mm Climber small LNF What do you think?
It looks like 84mm Super Tinker with LNF is not so common as 84mm Climber small LNF What do you think? (Image removed from quote.)