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How do you guys feel about Damascus?

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #30 on: November 21, 2016, 11:53:50 PM
Quote from: Aloha007 on November 21, 2016, 10:42:05 PM
Gorgeous knives fellas  :salute:

I dont have any Damacus blades but I'd love to get one at some point.  They look gorgeous to my eyes and whether they are up to the standards of high performance steels I'll leave that to those with much more knowledge than myself.  I've always felt the etching on th blade is high art as well.  Such a nice added treat to have those patterns on a folder just because you can.

I do like the look of the Damascus and as you might tell I fancy stag handles as well :dd: :like: Until the trad folder challenge though I will be honest that other than a time or two I am just now carrying these knives with the Damascus blades ::) :D I am liking it though :tu:
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #31 on: November 21, 2016, 11:54:16 PM
New page banana man dance

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #32 on: November 22, 2016, 02:24:41 PM
I think as an art form its beautiful. As far as performance, I gotta agree with Ron. There's a lot of different methods to producing the BLOCK of steels one will use to make a blade. It's in the forging and folding and proper heating and fluxing and...on and on...

Even the best Japanese Katanas are only folded something like 13 times, because they say everything homogenized beyond that point, from what I've read. All the fold work after that point basically turns the block into a rough equivalent of a modern mono steel.

The forging indeed produces a stronger and tougher steel, if it is normalized, heat treated, and quenched then tempered properly.. WOW!! Then you apply the acids, neutralize, wash and lube, check..,pray to the steel gods, test..,

This movie junk...eBay dribble and ninja stuff you hear about "folded 1000 times is pointless if you are producing Damascus you wanna see layers in...Feel free to correct my rant...JMHO YMMV
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #33 on: November 22, 2016, 02:33:43 PM
Here's one I wish if bought a number of years ago. Cold Steel imperial Tai Pan stainless Damascus. Big collector value now!
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #34 on: November 22, 2016, 02:47:09 PM

Really like that one. I've seen it for real, once. Way beyond my budget at the time.  :like:
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #35 on: November 22, 2016, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: Ronald Schröder on November 22, 2016, 02:47:09 PM

Really like that one. I've seen it for real, once. Way beyond my budget at the time.  :like:
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #36 on: November 22, 2016, 02:54:39 PM
Nice thread ponch! :tu:
'gives me all the information about damascus steel!

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #37 on: November 22, 2016, 02:57:59 PM
Cold steel imperial Tanto.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #38 on: November 22, 2016, 03:43:22 PM
The original method and formula of damacus has was lost long ago. It was a well guarded secret back when swords were high tech.
A lot of modern damacus is forge-welded now. Spyderco uses a steel made by “Damasteel’s proprietary powder metallurgy process, which forge welds layers of RWL 34 and PMC 27 steels into a state-of-the-art stainless Damascus steel.” Not true damascus.
Spyderco's D.P.S. 15 has a VG-10 stainless steel core sandwiched between two outer layers of Damascus steel. It's not true damascus. Again not true damascus.

Victorinox's calls their damascus Damasteel. Damasteel’s martensitic stainless Nitrobe 77 is a powder based steel. Nitrogen replaces Carbon in this steel. So still not true damascus.

As to whether it has better edge retention would depend on what you compare it to. Spyderco's D.P.S 15 would rank up there with S30V but some damascus is just cheap junk. I don't know of any that can compete with M390 or CPM-S90V. Mostly these days it is used for looks but done right it can be good steel.
What ever it is, if you mate it with some nice stag, you do have a beautiful knife. 
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #39 on: November 22, 2016, 04:40:08 PM
Quote from: Teofilo on November 22, 2016, 02:54:39 PM
Nice thread ponch! :tu:
'gives me all the information about damascus steel!

 :salute: This is what I was hoping for :tu:
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #40 on: November 22, 2016, 04:41:36 PM
Good info guys and I did not know some of this stuff before starting this thread :like:
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #41 on: November 22, 2016, 05:34:40 PM
Quote from: Kampfer on November 21, 2016, 08:35:52 PM
I find them ugly.

I wouldn't go as far as to say ugly, although I do generally prefer the looks of a standard stainless blade


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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #42 on: November 22, 2016, 08:15:09 PM
I like Damascus on traditional knives, not so much on modern knives. Speaking of which, your Hen & Roosters are freaking gorgeous. I almost, almost bought a Damascus Case Trapper in person back in September, but ultimately couldn't bring myself to pay so much for it. I paid less than half as much for my G-10 Seahorse whittler. That trapper was beautiful though.

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #43 on: November 22, 2016, 08:27:56 PM
Maybe I'll buy it then. I like the Wharncliffe instead of the spey.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #44 on: November 23, 2016, 03:21:09 AM
Quote from: Ronald Schröder on November 22, 2016, 08:27:56 PM
Maybe I'll buy it then. I like the Wharncliffe instead of the spey.

Yes that Wharncliffe is awfully nice :dd: :like: :like: :like:
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #45 on: November 23, 2016, 03:21:40 AM
Quote from: metasyntax on November 22, 2016, 08:15:09 PM
I like Damascus on traditional knives, not so much on modern knives. Speaking of which, your Hen & Roosters are freaking gorgeous. I almost, almost bought a Damascus Case Trapper in person back in September, but ultimately couldn't bring myself to pay so much for it. I paid less than half as much for my G-10 Seahorse whittler. That trapper was beautiful though.

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #46 on: November 23, 2016, 02:10:55 PM
Who wouldn't fall for this knife?
But for a price of $350-$400 I would rather go for a custom knife.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #47 on: November 23, 2016, 03:07:57 PM
Quote from: Teofilo on November 23, 2016, 02:10:55 PM
Who wouldn't fall for this knife?
But for a price of $350-$400 I would rather go for a custom knife.
(The pics are not mine but from a friend)







Beautiful knife Teo :o :like: I do agree that the price is a bit beyond what I would pay though :ahhh :D
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #48 on: November 24, 2016, 08:54:29 AM
Spyderco is a bit costly, but IMHO they're worth it in most cases.

I just wish they were a bit larger. I got big hands and long fingers for a dude the size of a Ghurkha !!
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #49 on: November 24, 2016, 08:56:11 AM
This thread ROCKS! All HAIL THE PONCH!!
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #50 on: November 24, 2016, 07:04:53 PM
Some great pics but I have to say I much prefer the Damascus with stag or wood to modern materials.  The Spydie is gorgeous but those scales IMO dont do it justice. 

Now I am not saying I would pass up that Spydie just I like the look of wood and stag paired with Damascus. 
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #51 on: November 24, 2016, 07:55:58 PM
I appreciate the look of it. It is very aesthetically pleasing. But I would probably not pay allot extra for it. And I think the cheap Damascus usually looks pretty bad. So it's probably out of the cards for me. But it is beautiful  :salute:
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #52 on: November 24, 2016, 08:03:59 PM
I think a lot of the time it looks kind of cheezy     

The Victorinox stuff comes to mind.
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #53 on: November 24, 2016, 11:36:39 PM
Well for the Hen and Rooster knives the Damascus is right at the same price as the stainless steel counterpart :think: So it is really up to you about having the option or not :tu: They gonna run you about $80-$100 US and it has taken me very many years to have this many knives in my collection and several have been Christmas presents from my parents :tu: My dad collects these as well and has a very similar taste to me about them and that is why I have duplicates of some of these as well (he doesn't know what I already have :whistle: )  ;)
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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #54 on: November 25, 2016, 01:10:11 AM
Interesting article on Damascus if anyone wants to read it:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/762283/MysteryOfDamascus.pdf

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #55 on: November 25, 2016, 01:46:39 AM
Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on November 25, 2016, 01:10:11 AM
Interesting article on Damascus if anyone wants to read it:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/762283/MysteryOfDamascus.pdf

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #56 on: November 25, 2016, 01:59:48 AM
Yeah, I found it quite fascinating.  I have been carrying around that article since I found it in a laundromat!   :ahhh

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #57 on: November 25, 2016, 02:54:48 AM
I like the looks of it and the idea behind making it but never had a blade of one to actually use and try out to see if it is a good edge or not.  Maybe someday I will find a folder or sak that is priced right to try one.  :)

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #58 on: November 25, 2016, 03:22:00 AM
Side note from the spyderco pic. I like the Damascus but I do not like carbon fiber... :think:

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Re: How do you guys feel about Damascus?
Reply #59 on: November 25, 2016, 07:13:31 AM
I saw a mock up of the Japanese layering process where they took something that looks like well...play dough...5 or 6 colors and folded it together, stacked it in the same manner, etc. the number of layers was amazing and you could clearly see the eessence of how they are processed.

Yeah I know it's a toy. I get it.

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