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Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed 695

Global Moderator Zombie Apprentice Posts: 18,094
Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #30 on: June 14, 2019, 03:30:57 PM »
What we do know is the knife is made to mimic a real Victorinox.

Cody brings up a good point about the SwissMade.  When was that used on Victoronox?    This clone is a newer production since the Swiss Made stamp is there, yes?

My thought was also Wustof but also maybe Mexico?  Its a reach yes. 

This IMO cannot be the only one in the wild  :think:.



     

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Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #31 on: June 14, 2019, 04:06:02 PM »
What we do know is the knife is made to mimic a real Victorinox.

Cody brings up a good point about the SwissMade.  When was that used on Victoronox?    This clone is a newer production since the Swiss Made stamp is there, yes?

My thought was also Wustof but also maybe Mexico?  Its a reach yes. 

This IMO cannot be the only one in the wild  :think:.



   
food for thought.
The fact that it says Swiss Made neither proves it was made there nor that it is of recent manufacture to mimic the newer Victorinox blades. "Swiss Made" has been on various items, watches, pens, water bottles, you name it, for ages. 
Sure glad I found this baby to renew interest in that line of knives.
Aloha you're right, if one has popped out, there has to be more out there. But so far nothing in the hands of an MTO member, and nothing on Google Yahoo whatever
« Last Edit: June 14, 2019, 04:24:47 PM by Ptisuisse »

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Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #32 on: June 14, 2019, 04:21:47 PM »
Three more remarks to keep the post running :

- A fellow french collector makes an interesting point : at the time they came out, (early 80"), the Solos were CHEAP knives. Why copy them ? It would be more interesting to copy them NOW than it was THEN. But the former owner says he bought the knife 1988-1990. so ?

- I don't see a reputable firm like Wüsthof, in business since 1814, producing Victorinox clones and usurpating the "swiss made" logo. Forget it.

- The knife is very well made and does not say "cheapo".

Montblancs and Maglites are black, swiss army knives are red.
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Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #33 on: June 14, 2019, 05:13:34 PM »
Cody brings up a good point about the SwissMade.  When was that used on Victoronox?
The use of "SWISS MADE" on Victorinox SAKs goes back at least to the 1930's. Check Ulli's table.

Three more remarks to keep the post running :

- A fellow french collector makes an interesting point : at the time they came out, (early 80"), the Solos were CHEAP knives. Why copy them ? It would be more interesting to copy them NOW than it was THEN. But the former owner says he bought the knife 1988-1990. so ?

- I don't see a reputable firm like Wüsthof, in business since 1814, producing Victorinox clones and usurpating the "swiss made" logo. Forget it.

- The knife is very well made and does not say "cheapo".
Is it possible that this knife was actually made by Victorinox and that Wustarimex is the name of a distributor? There is a long tradition of Victorinox producing SAKs under distributor brand names. The most notable example is probably Hoffritz in the US market. I can't help wondering if we don't have something similar here.

If the knife feels to you like it could have been made by Victorinox, maybe you can try asking them if they ever made SAKs with the Wustarimex brand name.

Either way it's a VERY interesting puzzle. I hope that it will get sorted out.  :popcorn:
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 12,183
Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #34 on: June 14, 2019, 05:46:42 PM »
The uneven stamping of the blade tang would not be leaving the Vic factory. Even if it was a regular Solo with "Victorinox" stamped in the blade unevenly, it would be a rarity in it's own right.

Also keep in mind that something doesn't have to be expensive to be copied. It only needs to sell easy and make a profit.

Even Classics and Spartans are copied, even though they don't cost anything more than a Solo did back then. They are sold, however, at a tenth of the price of the original.
Often scale tools are made cheaply on those Classic copies, but since the Solo doesn't have those, it might have been even easier to make them?

All just brainstorming though. I'm afraid we won't get any further than that without someone with actual info on this piece...
It's starting to drive me bonkers and I don't even own this knife :D :rofl:

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Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #35 on: June 14, 2019, 07:38:44 PM »
Japan was once like China is today.

The "Swiss made" might be stamped but that doesn't make it true.
I have a "Rolex" that reads "Swiss Made" too... But I'm fairly certain it's not made there :rofl:

Anyway, the info provided by the seller is a good start. Sadly, I think there are next to no Japanese members here who might be able to help out.

EDIT: Also keep in mind that the knife may have been in the store for a long time before someone bought it.



     That is true! I have a Spyderco Military knife that says "Spyderco", "Made in USA", and "S30" on the blade, but it is fake. This knife could just one this company made years ago and discontinued. 
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Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #36 on: June 14, 2019, 08:08:38 PM »

Is it possible that this knife was actually made by Victorinox and that Wustarimex is the name of a distributor? There is a long tradition of Victorinox producing SAKs under distributor brand names. The most notable example is probably Hoffritz in the US market. I can't help wondering if we don't have something similar here.

If the knife feels to you like it could have been made by Victorinox, maybe you can try asking them if they ever made SAKs with the Wustarimex brand name.

Either way it's a VERY interesting puzzle. I hope that it will get sorted out.  :popcorn:

I'll answer that : no way it can have been made by Victorinox. It appears to me of good quality, but it looks really different from the original. The color and material of the scales are different. Weight differs too by a few grams.
The thickness of the liners is different. Best would be to pop the scales off and take it apart. I'll do that when I find a second one  :whistle:
Case in point : when you put side by side a Victorinox GAK and an Adler, you can tell they are family. Not the case here. I'll try to make side-by-side pictures when I get some good light

Montblancs and Maglites are black, swiss army knives are red.
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Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #37 on: June 14, 2019, 08:11:24 PM »

All just brainstorming though. I'm afraid we won't get any further than that without someone with actual info on this piece...
It's starting to drive me bonkers and I don't even own this knife :D :rofl:

Mech, may I suggest medicine for your ailment ? You wanna buy the damn thing ?
 :rofl:

Montblancs and Maglites are black, swiss army knives are red.
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 12,183
Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #38 on: June 14, 2019, 08:23:55 PM »
I thought medicine is supposed to make you better?
Owning that one would make me go all Cookoo :fugly:

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Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #39 on: June 14, 2019, 09:16:06 PM »
I'll answer that : no way it can have been made by Victorinox. It appears to me of good quality, but it looks really different from the original. The color and material of the scales are different. Weight differs too by a few grams.
The thickness of the liners is different. Best would be to pop the scales off and take it apart. I'll do that when I find a second one  :whistle:
Case in point : when you put side by side a Victorinox GAK and an Adler, you can tell they are family. Not the case here. I'll try to make side-by-side pictures when I get some good light
Thanks for clarifying this. I'm out of ideas here.  :dunno:
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Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #40 on: June 14, 2019, 10:25:49 PM »
I thought medicine is supposed to make you better?
Owning that one would make me go all Cookoo :fugly:
I think it's fantastic. Just when you thought you knew everything about the 108 series, a new, up to now unknown model pops up.
very exciting.

Montblancs and Maglites are black, swiss army knives are red.
Global Moderator Zombie Apprentice Posts: 18,094
Re: Weird Safari Solo 108 clone - Help needed
« Reply #41 on: June 15, 2019, 07:20:53 AM »
Back to the Dojo for me as my googlefu is very weak.  I came up empty trying different searches.  Interesting piece and even more so that we cannot track its origins down.  :popcorn: 

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