That's what I have Mech. I really like the feel of it, being just right for my hands. That seems like a terrific price!
As many of you may know my preferred EDC is the Explorer and I also like the Swisschamp and even the Champ Plus so I guess I am an inline philips and mag lens kinda guy. With that said I do like the tool set it has for its size but have my concerns about how useful the back philips is in many situations like recessed screws or tighter spaces to where you cant turn the sak to use the philips properly. Anyone else worry or think about this with these back philips?
Nice one Gene!!
..Great tool set but why stop at 6 layers? For me, the Explorer gives me the magnifier and inline Philips together with the essentials in a practical carry 4 layer form factor. If pliers are important, then I can easily carry a LM Juice S2 in another pocket for a set of superior pliers. For those planning to carry the Craftsman in a small belt pouch, they could just as easily carry a Swiss Champ or a Spirit X.So love for the Craftsman? Strong like, maybe...and a sample for my collection but my love is reserved for SAKs with magnifiers and inline philips with Explorer at the top for portability, followed closely by the Swiss Champ (yeah, I include the magnifier bunch such as Champion, Yeoman, Woodsman, Passenger, Scientist, etc.) BTW, no disrespect intended for the Victorinox pliers. I admire this precision tool for what it can do but for all-around tasks requiring pliers, I would look to a LM tool. In my case, with very modest requirements, a Juice is more than sufficient.
Old style.
Quote from: gene stoner on August 01, 2017, 06:07:13 PMOld style.I'm quite glad they replaced the fish scaler with pliers. Can't remember the last time I had fish with scales.Honestly, this got me thinking...throughout several threads we all ponder, debate, and lament various tools that seem odd enough that we struggle to find a job for them.I've come to realize, that really bugs the heck out of me! I want my tools to make sense. I don't want to stare at a fish scaler or an orange peeler or some other oddball tool and try to justify it to myself. While the Craftsman does not have every SAK tool in it. All the tools in the Craftsman are useful and logical. It makes sense to me!The perpendicular #2 Phillips is plenty useful. I've used it a lot. I truly think far more people fuss about the handle being in the way and not being able to turn the screw than there are people who have actually struggled with this issue. In my experience so far, pretty much anywhere I can use a short #2, I have been able to use the SAK. (Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The trouble with the back Philips is the very limited torque that it can take.
The Craftsman, Master Craftsman, Handyman and Delemont S557 are my favorite Vic tools, though I would like it if Victorinox came up with a Handyman without scissors and instead the Magnifying glass + inline Philips screwdriver. And of course with the Delemont-line locks for the screwdrivers. Probably I would go nuts with such a model and would buy 10 pieces right away.In an urban environment I opt for the (Master) Craftsman because of its Philips screwdriver. It still can be pocket carried and in an urban environment there are more screws to fasten than there are bottle to be uncorked. Even for self defense purposes the back Philips can be a formidable effective attachment.However in any outdoor survival happening I would choose the Handyman because when you're on foot in the woods a corkscrew has much more utility!Recently I bought this 2nd hand Craftsman for only € 10. Is had very abused scales, because it was used as a hammer (who on earth is using pocket knives as hammers?? ) All tools were in excellent condition.So I cleaned it a little bit and put brand new scales on it (only € 1.99). Total costs € 11.99 !!If you ever walked outdoors (and even indoors!) with an outward bent shoe lace hook on your boot, you would be desperate for the pliers!
Quote from: EMZ on September 09, 2017, 03:18:06 PMThe Craftsman, Master Craftsman, Handyman and Delemont S557 are my favorite Vic tools, though I would like it if Victorinox came up with a Handyman without scissors and instead the Magnifying glass + inline Philips screwdriver. And of course with the Delemont-line locks for the screwdrivers. Probably I would go nuts with such a model and would buy 10 pieces right away.In an urban environment I opt for the (Master) Craftsman because of its Philips screwdriver. It still can be pocket carried and in an urban environment there are more screws to fasten than there are bottle to be uncorked. Even for self defense purposes the back Philips can be a formidable effective attachment.However in any outdoor survival happening I would choose the Handyman because when you're on foot in the woods a corkscrew has much more utility!Recently I bought this 2nd hand Craftsman for only € 10. Is had very abused scales, because it was used as a hammer (who on earth is using pocket knives as hammers?? ) All tools were in excellent condition.So I cleaned it a little bit and put brand new scales on it (only € 1.99). Total costs € 11.99 !!If you ever walked outdoors (and even indoors!) with an outward bent shoe lace hook on your boot, you would be desperate for the pliers!Where did you get €2 euro scales?
Ships to the likes of Belgium and Germany, but not UK or Ireland.
Quote from: Pablo O'Brien on September 09, 2017, 05:18:46 PMShips to the likes of Belgium and Germany, but not UK or Ireland. Really?Oh boy oh boy!
If I had one I would talk about it They are a great SAK and the older version is the fraternal twin brother to the Ranger one with corkscrew other with Phillips I always have a MT with a Phillips driver or at least always have my Gerber Shard so the Phillips thing isn't as big of a deal and that is why I am content with the Ranger I guess
While the Craftsman does not have every SAK tool in it. All the tools in the Craftsman are useful and logical. It makes sense to me!The perpendicular #2 Phillips is plenty useful. I've used it a lot. I truly think far more people fuss about the handle being in the way and not being able to turn the screw than there are people who have actually struggled with this issue. In my experience so far, pretty much anywhere I can use a short #2, I have been able to use the SAK. (Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
So far, it seems the chief complaint against the Craftsman design is the perpendicular Phillips's inability to tolerate torque. I agree. As I mentioned in another post, I don't consider this SAK as a replacement for a set of dedicated tools.My argument for the Craftsman is:1) It has a set of recognizable, very useful tools. No unfamiliar or confusing orange peelers or fish scalers or other odd tools. Every tool onboard has familiar applications and are miniature versions of tools commonly used daily. The only tools I'd like to have that aren't in there is the pen and, maybe, the magnifier.2) While the perpendicular Phillips can't take much torque, neither can the corkscrew. In general, the Phillips is more commonly necessary and useful than a corkscrew for most people.So, yes, that's a small dig against the Handyman...but, that's why I chose the Craftsman.The corkscrew hates torque(Image removed from quote.)All other comparisons seems to be against either larger SAKs with more layers or smaller SAKs with fewer tools. For this layer count, I don't know of a SAK with a better tool layout.Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: Tired_Yeti on September 10, 2017, 03:41:15 PMSo far, it seems the chief complaint against the Craftsman design is the perpendicular Phillips's inability to tolerate torque. I agree. As I mentioned in another post, I don't consider this SAK as a replacement for a set of dedicated tools.My argument for the Craftsman is:1) It has a set of recognizable, very useful tools. No unfamiliar or confusing orange peelers or fish scalers or other odd tools. Every tool onboard has familiar applications and are miniature versions of tools commonly used daily. The only tools I'd like to have that aren't in there is the pen and, maybe, the magnifier.2) While the perpendicular Phillips can't take much torque, neither can the corkscrew. In general, the Phillips is more commonly necessary and useful than a corkscrew for most people.So, yes, that's a small dig against the Handyman...but, that's why I chose the Craftsman.The corkscrew hates torque(Image removed from quote.)All other comparisons seems to be against either larger SAKs with more layers or smaller SAKs with fewer tools. For this layer count, I don't know of a SAK with a better tool layout.Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHow did that happen???Obviously not opening a bottle of wine...