Quote from: ChrisEDC247 on March 15, 2017, 04:49:18 AMQuote from: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 01:08:18 AMHalf MP600?Got to disagree with you there. The only things the Center Drive has in common with the MP600 is the serrated blade and file. Two components are the same, everything else is new and purpose built for the Center Drive.Seems pretty different to me.DefYour right it's almost all new exclusive tools. I misspoke. What I meant to say isn't so much that the "Center Drive is half-MP600" and more that "Gerber likes to reuse components and engineering when possible". It's an efficient way to do business. Kind of like how automakers share body platforms. One handle of the new Center Drive looks pretty much like a CAD copy/paste of the MP600 with added parts. Now they don't have to stamp out 20 different serrated blades. They've got one in two colors that fit into 20 or so models. Would your average collector consider those variations desirable like how SAK-collectors will buy a tool just for the scale colors? Likely not to that extent but it's a windfall for the average consumer who gets what they want without having to buy something else.I would actually love to see the Center Drive awl and prybar come to the MP600 side or visa versa, scissors being the first big one. I doubt that will happen anytime soon because the CD is such a money maker. If I could stand losing a long tool on the CD, thanks to the MP600 platform: I could buy another tool, sacrifice my warranty and possibly do that swap myself.I guess I am so used to hearing people bash Gerber that I assumed that was what you were doing. Sorry about that. I am surprised there isn't a BO version of the Center-Drive, especially considering that it is half BO already.Def
Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 01:08:18 AMHalf MP600?Got to disagree with you there. The only things the Center Drive has in common with the MP600 is the serrated blade and file. Two components are the same, everything else is new and purpose built for the Center Drive.Seems pretty different to me.DefYour right it's almost all new exclusive tools. I misspoke. What I meant to say isn't so much that the "Center Drive is half-MP600" and more that "Gerber likes to reuse components and engineering when possible". It's an efficient way to do business. Kind of like how automakers share body platforms. One handle of the new Center Drive looks pretty much like a CAD copy/paste of the MP600 with added parts. Now they don't have to stamp out 20 different serrated blades. They've got one in two colors that fit into 20 or so models. Would your average collector consider those variations desirable like how SAK-collectors will buy a tool just for the scale colors? Likely not to that extent but it's a windfall for the average consumer who gets what they want without having to buy something else.I would actually love to see the Center Drive awl and prybar come to the MP600 side or visa versa, scissors being the first big one. I doubt that will happen anytime soon because the CD is such a money maker. If I could stand losing a long tool on the CD, thanks to the MP600 platform: I could buy another tool, sacrifice my warranty and possibly do that swap myself.
Half MP600?Got to disagree with you there. The only things the Center Drive has in common with the MP600 is the serrated blade and file. Two components are the same, everything else is new and purpose built for the Center Drive.Seems pretty different to me.Def
What I find amusing about Gerber is that they are actual military issue. And not because they are cheap, but because they are what the military wants and needs, so well that many military contracts specified Gerbers. Or rather, they called for "sliding head plier tools" since they couldn't specify a certain brand, but as that was protected by Gerber's patent for years, that's basically as close as they could get. Kind of like saying "we can do it any day of the week that you like, as long as it begins with a T and I'm out of town on Thursday."Other manufacturers (not mentioning names) claim to have military tools, but have never actually been issued, and likely never will be due to price and other issues. When the military contract called for a butterfly opening tool, Gerber actually beat out the PST to fill the military order with the MPT. Fast forward a number of years and Leatherman produces the OHT, their own version of the sliding head multitool to try and steal military contracts now that Gerber's patent has expired, and as far as I know, no military organization has purchased the OHT with intent to issue it to troops, but the MP600 is still going strong.So to recap, Gerber and Leatherman went head to head twice, first on Leatherman's turf and then on Gerber's, and Gerber won both times.Wit facts like that, I have no idea why people bash Gerber.Def
Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on March 16, 2017, 12:39:08 PMWhat I find amusing about Gerber is that they are actual military issue. And not because they are cheap, but because they are what the military wants and needs, so well that many military contracts specified Gerbers. Or rather, they called for "sliding head plier tools" since they couldn't specify a certain brand, but as that was protected by Gerber's patent for years, that's basically as close as they could get. Kind of like saying "we can do it any day of the week that you like, as long as it begins with a T and I'm out of town on Thursday."Other manufacturers (not mentioning names) claim to have military tools, but have never actually been issued, and likely never will be due to price and other issues. When the military contract called for a butterfly opening tool, Gerber actually beat out the PST to fill the military order with the MPT. Fast forward a number of years and Leatherman produces the OHT, their own version of the sliding head multitool to try and steal military contracts now that Gerber's patent has expired, and as far as I know, no military organization has purchased the OHT with intent to issue it to troops, but the MP600 is still going strong.So to recap, Gerber and Leatherman went head to head twice, first on Leatherman's turf and then on Gerber's, and Gerber won both times.Wit facts like that, I have no idea why people bash Gerber.DefPublic perception is a fickle thing. I guess there's just something about human nature that wants to pick teams. As for Gerber they have such a large catalog of products across many different price points, it seems people remember them for the lowest end stuff. Nobody talks about the MP1 is because everybody is talking about how cheesy the Bear Gryls survival tool is. Add in contagious YouTube channel fanboyism and some good old fashioned "never touched one" and "bashing" is the response you get. Leatherman caters to a more enthusiast market, so the tool that grabs everybody's attention is typically a $150 Charge TTL. Then Leatherman has a bunch of options for the customer down market. It's the halo-car model... my brother wanted a Dodge Viper, looked at a Dodge Challenger and bought a Dodge Charger. It's not a bad thing, it works for them. I own MTs from all different brands and I'm lucky to not have a die-hard favorite or bash anybody because then I get to enjoy them all. Love my Juice S2, it's a classy tool, but on most weekends I carry an MP400 for a multitude of reasons, even though they have nearly identical tool sets. I'm really glad the Center Drive is doing well for Gerber, the marketing was a little over the top, (Badassadors?? Oh lord ) but they had to cut through all the noise.
If you promise not to tell anyone.....Store.Multitool.orgBut you didn't hear it from me.....Def
Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 10:01:50 PMIf you promise not to tell anyone.....Store.Multitool.orgBut you didn't hear it from me.....Def Whaaaaaaatttt!! So exciting! looks great! hope its super successful! Now to explore
this beauty just arrived!It sure feels like an upgraded MP600 at first sight,(Image removed from quote.)time will tell. Only for me as of now it's the plastic sliding tabs/inserts
Quote from: gdoolittle on March 17, 2017, 06:12:57 PMQuote from: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 10:01:50 PMIf you promise not to tell anyone.....Store.Multitool.orgBut you didn't hear it from me.....Def Whaaaaaaatttt!! So exciting! looks great! hope its super successful! Now to explore It's a soft launch at the moment.... trying to sort out some issues. It is live though, in case you see anything you want to pull the trigger on. Def
Whats the difference?
Quote from: Pablo O'Brien on March 13, 2017, 11:56:42 PMWhats the difference? One grabs boogers better. I can't remember which one.
Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on March 17, 2017, 08:22:00 PMQuote from: gdoolittle on March 17, 2017, 06:12:57 PMQuote from: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 10:01:50 PMIf you promise not to tell anyone.....Store.Multitool.orgBut you didn't hear it from me.....Def Whaaaaaaatttt!! So exciting! looks great! hope its super successful! Now to explore It's a soft launch at the moment.... trying to sort out some issues. It is live though, in case you see anything you want to pull the trigger on. DefCongrats on the new Webstore! Those patent tees look awesome! Is it tough to ship to the States?
Quote from: ChrisEDC247 on March 18, 2017, 12:48:12 AMQuote from: Grant Lamontagne on March 17, 2017, 08:22:00 PMQuote from: gdoolittle on March 17, 2017, 06:12:57 PMQuote from: Grant Lamontagne on March 15, 2017, 10:01:50 PMIf you promise not to tell anyone.....Store.Multitool.orgBut you didn't hear it from me.....Def Whaaaaaaatttt!! So exciting! looks great! hope its super successful! Now to explore It's a soft launch at the moment.... trying to sort out some issues. It is live though, in case you see anything you want to pull the trigger on. DefCongrats on the new Webstore! Those patent tees look awesome! Is it tough to ship to the States?Not in the least. I do it many times each week.Oh yeah... and I'm a factory authorised Gerber dealer with access to the entire Gerber catalogue, including knives, multitools, flashlights, axes and all the Bear Grylls branded stuff you can handle. You know, in case anyone around here is interested in multitools, knives, flashlights, axes and/or Bear Grylls branded stuff..... Def
I think back in the Nineties Mac Tools also contracted out with Gerber for a Multi Tool
I've wanted a new Gerber for a long time but there's just way too much information. Just tell me please, if you have a spare moment, which models come with scissors so I can upgrade from my 25 year old Mr. Pinchy. I am aware of the Diesel and the MP400. Are there any other MP models with scissors?
I like the pro scout. Thanks for suggesting it but how about any models with scissors and a blunt nose pliers? Or is that asking too much?
Quote from: Alan K. on April 03, 2017, 03:14:50 AMI like the pro scout. Thanks for suggesting it but how about any models with scissors and a blunt nose pliers? Or is that asking too much? Yup, you're asking too much. Kind of my point back a page. Good news is swapping pliers over is a very easy two minute job.