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Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?

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Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
on: April 17, 2017, 09:31:00 AM
Ive just won a BSA scaled Tinker on fleabay. At this point I'm not sure yet if it's 84 or 91mm,although I'm not over bothered either way ;)

But,I was wondering...

I've seen a large number of BSA SAKs,some Wenger,some Victorinox. There's the old chestnut of BSA Explorers being called Yeomans. Is there any particular logic involved in BSA SAKs? Do the Boy Scouts of America spec certain models on certain years? Do the manufacturers just licence the brand for a period and choose what they want to put the brand on? Is there a list of BSA models v years? Will I run out of questions? 
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #1 on: April 17, 2017, 09:32:46 AM
Answered the only question I knew....

Quote from: kirk13 on April 17, 2017, 09:31:00 AM
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 Will I run out of questions?
Probably not.   :D
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #2 on: April 17, 2017, 09:49:14 AM
I've no idea what the answers are to any of those questions, but I'd be interested to hear them as well.  :tu:
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #3 on: April 17, 2017, 11:09:24 AM
I thought this thread was about motorcycles .....
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #4 on: April 17, 2017, 11:21:10 AM
Quote from: dks on April 17, 2017, 11:09:24 AM
I thought this thread was about motorcycles .....

If it makes you feel any better,that's what I thought the first time I saw the name. After all,if there's Ducati SAKs,why not Beezers?
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #5 on: April 17, 2017, 11:31:14 AM
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #6 on: April 17, 2017, 03:41:00 PM
BSA licenses the symbol on a bunch of "Scouty" type things and has for years...probably to target a certain market, to lend credence to a model suited for scouting (ensuring a minimum level of quality/dependability), to make money and as to create a keepsake of the "Scouting Experience". I've seen it on knives, compasses, sharpening stones and other camping items.

And, although I've seen dealers call them Yeomans, the BSA Yeoman and BSA Explorer are two different models.   :cheers:

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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #7 on: April 17, 2017, 05:28:42 PM
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #8 on: April 17, 2017, 05:35:27 PM
My BSA Explorer has BSA Yeoman on the box :ahhh Thought I was crazy at first but I found the box and sure enough it said Yeoman  :facepalm:

No idea about any of the questions either :shrug: So of course :kirky:
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #9 on: April 17, 2017, 06:03:22 PM
Have a look at the sakwiki yeoman page... there is a link on the yeoman conspiracy which explains the BSA Yeoman and BSA Explorer confusion...


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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #10 on: April 17, 2017, 06:31:34 PM
Quote from: jaya_man on April 17, 2017, 06:03:22 PM
Have a look at the sakwiki yeoman page... there is a link on the yeoman conspiracy which explains the BSA Yeoman and BSA Explorer confusion...


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Thx for that info J-Man!!  :cheers:

Here's the info and link:


"It has been speculated that the Yeoman was a US only model, probably on the request of the distributor Swiss Army Brands.

The distributor Swiss Army Brands is largely considered responsible for confusion around this model. After the model was discontinued it appears they substituted models, or shipped, BSA Explorers under the BSA Yeoman name. Old incorrect photos of the BSA Yeoman are often used in advertising for the BSA Explorer. Several problems on dealer websites and ebay with the naming and photos has no doubt caused some grievance, not to mention incorrect purchases."

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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #11 on: April 17, 2017, 06:36:53 PM
Most of the old BSA knives (made by several manufacturers) were essentially Riffs on the SAK Pioneer/old soldier or the US Military Demo Knife. Nowadays, they slap it onto things randomly.

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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #12 on: April 18, 2017, 12:51:59 AM
Like most every one else, if you pay them enough money the Scouts will let you put their logo on almost any thing. Which is why the Scout logo now shows up on decent knives like Victorinox and Buck, and on Chinese junk.

Some other odds-and-ends:

The Scout Huntsman is actually a Fieldmaster, with phillips sd.

The official US Scout knives are Victorinox. At one time however you couldn't buy one at Philmont Scout Ranch. They had their own line of specially marked Wenger scout knives.

At one time 3 or 4 Wengers were official US Scout knives. However they used model names different from the regular Wenger line (still haven't reliably figured out what is what.).

While most US knives are Vics, most Canadian scout knives are (were) Wengers.

World Scout knives were specially colored (purple) Wengers, but most national scouting organizations went with standard red Vics.

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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #13 on: April 18, 2017, 01:18:00 AM
Quote from: ColoSwiss on April 18, 2017, 12:51:59 AM
Like most every one else, if you pay them enough money the Scouts will let you put their logo on almost any thing. Which is why the Scout logo now shows up on decent knives like Victorinox and Buck, and on Chinese junk.

Some other odds-and-ends:

The Scout Huntsman is actually a Fieldmaster, with phillips sd.

The official US Scout knives are Victorinox. At one time however you couldn't buy one at Philmont Scout Ranch. They had their own line of specially marked Wenger scout knives.

At one time 3 or 4 Wengers were official US Scout knives. However they used model names different from the regular Wenger line (still haven't reliably figured out what is what.).

While most US knives are Vics, most Canadian scout knives are (were) Wengers.

World Scout knives were specially colored (purple) Wengers, but most national scouting organizations went with standard red Vics.

Here are a couple of the Wenger Scouts
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #14 on: April 18, 2017, 02:03:13 AM
1. An assortment of Philmont Wenger knives.

2. World Scout knives.

3. Various European Scout knives; Switzerland, Netherlands, Hungary and an EvoWood from Norway.

4. Canadian Scout knives, mainly Wengers with one Vic.

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Reply #15 on: April 18, 2017, 02:04:50 AM
Awesome collection Karl!!!! :cheers:
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Reply #16 on: April 18, 2017, 09:10:56 AM
Quote from: SAK Guy on April 18, 2017, 02:04:50 AM
Awesome collection Karl!!!! :cheers:

+1 ...... AWESOME!  8) :climber:
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Reply #17 on: April 18, 2017, 11:51:20 AM
Quote from: cali-SAK-attack on April 18, 2017, 09:10:56 AM
Quote from: SAK Guy on April 18, 2017, 02:04:50 AM
Awesome collection Karl!!!! :cheers:

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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #18 on: April 18, 2017, 02:22:27 PM
Here's my only Scout knife.  A Wenger Evo S11 produced to mark 100 years of Scouting.

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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #19 on: April 18, 2017, 04:28:04 PM
Quote from: Gareth on April 18, 2017, 02:22:27 PM
Here's my only Scout knife.  A Wenger Evo S11 produced to mark 100 years of Scouting.

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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #20 on: April 18, 2017, 06:27:49 PM
Lots of great pics of BSA SAKs guys,thank you all!

Thank you all also for the info. I'm going to have to wait til it gets here to see what age my BSA Tinker is :ahhh
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #21 on: April 19, 2017, 03:36:54 AM
Thanks all!   :cheers:
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #22 on: April 22, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Well,my BSA Tinker arrived today. It is a 91mm,and much to my delight,it has a can key Phillips. Interestingly,it also has a half stop cap lifter. If I'm right that patern Phillips was discontinued in '85;and the half stop lifter was introduced in '85 too?

Anyway,here's the little guy,after some TLC.
There is no beginning,or ending,and for this we are thankful,cos now is hard enough to understand!
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #23 on: April 22, 2017, 11:34:14 PM
Quote from: kirk13 on April 22, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Well,my BSA Tinker arrived today. It is a 91mm,and much to my delight,it has a can key Phillips. Interestingly,it also has a half stop cap lifter. If I'm right that patern Phillips was discontinued in '85;and the half stop lifter was introduced in '85 too?

Anyway,here's the little guy,after some TLC.

pretty cool finding a transitional model!
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #24 on: April 23, 2017, 12:01:56 AM
Cheers,yeah! I'd had hopes about the Phillips,but couldn't tell for sure from the sellers photos. The fact that it is transitional is that much cooler :D
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #25 on: April 23, 2017, 12:47:17 AM
Nice.  :tu:
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Merit Badges Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a Delemont SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Must start a thread with a photo of your birth year SAK Start a new thread and post a photo of the minimal sak (2 layers or fewer) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with a photo showing the axe in use Start a new thread and post a photo of a traditional folder for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread including a photo of shooting at least two (2) different airguns and at least one (1) photo of target (airguns) Must post a step by step pictorial of a knife or multitool modification (scale swap not included) Must have a review written in the proper format and posted on the Main Site Participate in a Challenge thread and post a photo of  a Case knife  for 30 days Participate  in a Challenge thread and post a photo of a LM Pocket Survival Tool for thirty (30) consecutive days.  Post a pic for Halloween of your pumpkin (or turnip or gourd or whatever you traditionally carve for Halloween!) being carved by any SAK, multitool, pocket or woods knife you may own!  Only available once a year Start a new thread with a photo of your custom ALOX with scissors Start a new thread with a photo of a modded knife or multitool with your EDC Start a new thread and post a photo of a flashlight as part of your EDC Start a new thread with photos of camping, including those showing preferred camping equipment Start a new thread with a photo of custom or non standard SAK scales in your collection Start a new thread showing photos of your outdoor cooking

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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #26 on: April 23, 2017, 03:19:18 AM
Quote from: kirk13 on April 22, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Well,my BSA Tinker arrived today. It is a 91mm,and much to my delight,it has a can key Phillips. Interestingly,it also has a half stop cap lifter. If I'm right that patern Phillips was discontinued in '85;and the half stop lifter was introduced in '85 too?

Anyway,here's the little guy,after some TLC.


Nice score!   :tu:
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Re: Is there any order or logic to BSA SAKs?
Reply #27 on: April 23, 2017, 05:04:13 AM
Quote from: kirk13 on April 22, 2017, 10:57:56 PM
Well,my BSA Tinker arrived today. It is a 91mm,and much to my delight,it has a can key Phillips. Interestingly,it also has a half stop cap lifter. If I'm right that patern Phillips was discontinued in '85;and the half stop lifter was introduced in '85 too?

Anyway,here's the little guy,after some TLC.


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Merit Badges Start a new thread and post a photo of a flashlight as part of your EDC Start a new thread showing photos of your outdoor cooking Start a new thread demonstrating paracord knot tying Must put something in order and provide link to the post. Must start new thread with photos of multitools (Magazine/Catalogue type photos) Must buy something on EDCSource Start a new thread and post a picture of fire making kit or fire with a multitool Start a new thread with a photo of custom or non standard SAK scales in your collection Participate in a challenge by carrying  a GEC knife and post a photo of it  for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of at least 8 different 130mm models in your collection Must start a thread with a photo of your birth year SAK Start a new thread with photos of your Mora knives in use Start a new thread with photos of at least 12 different 111mm models in your collection Start a new thread with photos of your titanium gear with a multitool or sak Start a new thread and post a photo of a traditional folder for thirty (30) consecutive days. Post your pocket dump photos then challenge two more members who must post their pocket dump photos within 24hrs for you to get the badge. Start a thread with photos of at least twelve different colored ALOX models in your collection Start a new thread with photos of your astronomy gear with a multitool

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