In Israel for the most part violence is from over the border. Israelis don't arm themselves against their brothers. Carrying a knife for defense is NOT legal here. Period. Nor is there public agitation for defensive knife carry. We have the right to defend ourselves invested in a general conscription citizen army and active mandatory reserve system. Our police are vets. Civilians carry weapons only if they were army officers, and need annual live fire requalification, regular mental health checks. Then you get 40 bullets, aside from unlimited range firing.Our police and soldiers love multi tools, especially heavier Leatherman. But not as potential weapons. Knives used by terrorists are from their mama's kitchen, not of the couch commando tactical box cutter type.Aside from that, any good self-defense teacher will tell you that a knife vs knife fight is a loser's game. If you are not well trained in personal knife combat, then pulling out a knife LOWERS your chance of survival, and INCREASES your chance of serious injury. Not much different for poorly trained handgun useage. If you are attacked with a knife and you run away screaming like an adolescent girl for help, you are wise. If you cannot run away, then drop to the ground and roll away, then stay on your back and use your feet for defense. Legs are stronger than arms and with shoes are less vulnerable. Protects face and vital organs.Train for defense with a walking stick or cane. Give me an olive wood or Galilee oak walking stick, and I will thrash 98% of knife wielders. In Israel self-defense is not helped by machismo or anger. Training and cool heads prevail. Trained women beat burly bully boys every time. Funny to hear about "only carrying SAKS." I have a SAK folder Hunter Pro lockback with a 100mm blade. I wonder if the police would accept the excuse that it is just a little old Swiss Army Knife? Or my 130mm lock blades with 100cm long razor sharp blades.
If I lived in South Africa I'd take the whole family to defense training.
Quote If I lived in South Africa I'd take the whole family to defense training. Fact.I was very serious about getting a knife for self defense, the only good thing that came from that was I got an excuse to buy a CS Voyager XL I was thinking about this topic and recalled something that happened to me in 1992 or 1993, not sure.We were at a pub, I saw a friend ducking for home and wanted to stop him, while hurrying out the door I ran straight into an altercation, guy had been caught breaking into a car and a group of men had cornered him....he was holding them at bay with a big fixed blade.I literally ran into him, and by instinct grabbed the wrist of his knife hand, grabbed him around the neck with my right hand, picked him up off his feet and planted him against a wall.While immobilized the group of men beat the smurf out of him......I've fully realised that my best defense against a knife, after evasion, is defending against the knife instead of trying to fight back with a knife.........and a little over 3" EDC is perfect.....for apples and such
I didn't read the whole thread. But we've had this conversation too many times, and I'm not a fan of it. Honestly, it pisses me off. It presents us badly, and has the potential to cast the whole community in a bad light, not IF, but WHEN some overzealous lawyer or politician who insists we "must do something!" brings this thread or one like it up to show intent that yes, a leatherman is a "deadly weapon". Whatever the smurf that is. I define "weapon" as "any means by which you impose your will on another". When it is my will to not be beaten, maimed, robbed or killed, then I will use any and all means at my disposal to do so. My Surge or OHT Trekker would do ok with that. But honestly, I'd rather use something with a bit more authority like a hammer or BFW, or more reach like a chair. If I have nothing else, my hands, feet, knees, elbows and even my teeth will come into play. ANYTHING can used as a weapon in the hands of someone with sufficient training or desperation. Taking a certain kind of tool and villianizing it in this manner, especially when one of our own uses boogy-man words like "big tactical", isn't helpful. So the initial question is, honestly, a stupid question. There really are such things. Stupid questions like this is why our British members can't carry a safer, locking pocket knife, and our New York members can't carry much of anything that can be openned one handed because the politicians and their sheep on Manhattan Island think those are switchblades. And we all know that an auto knife with a 3" blade is a weapon of mass destruction. Stupid question.
Stupid answer
I see knife usage more of a sneak attack or someone brandishing. I've not been threatened with a knife so I really have no clue. Rarely do I think people face off with knives but again I have no clue. If a person confronted you on the street what would make you pull a knife? I guess I'm struggling to think of a scenario for myself that would have me pulling a knife. Mugging. Person accosts you and demands your wallet. No weapon was showed. Fight. Person punches you. No weapon was showed.Neither would have me pulling anything out other than my wallet in the first scenario. Just some scenarios I've seen or heard of, but fortunately haven't lived myself
Last night, for the first time I had to draw my Espada for battle.As me and boys walking back home after ice cream, an aggressor was blocking our path and looking for a fight, without hesitation I drew my Espada to protect my boys. Shining my flashlight on the bucker and waving the Espada, it gave up without a fight, went down to a storm drain.As we got home. I received an email alert.Show contentFrom: "Nextdoor Downtown Campbell" <reply@rs.email.nextdoor.com>Date: June 27, 2017 at 7:08:34 AM PDTTo: __________Subject: Trash Panda Terrorist on HarrisonChris Fivecoat, Downtown CampbellThere is a very aggressive trash panda in the storm drain at the intersection of Harrison and Salmar on the west side of the street. Last night, unprovoked, a German shepherd got attacked on the sidewalk around 930pm and my neighbor was chased while on his bike around 1030pm. These things can carry rabies, regardless, this thing is really aggressive, fearless, and protective of that area. I would avoid that area after dark if possible.
Last night a boy and girl, both 18 and returning from promnight, were harassed at the beach (other side of the country) by 3 men.After they took the boy's money (€70) they decided they wanted more, pulled a knife and threatened the boy while they made him watch how they took turns to rape the girl...I'm reconsidering my previous answer while feeling absolutely disgusted and having a little less faith in mankind.
Quote from: Mechanickal on June 29, 2017, 10:03:01 PMLast night a boy and girl, both 18 and returning from promnight, were harassed at the beach (other side of the country) by 3 men.After they took the boy's money (€70) they decided they wanted more, pulled a knife and threatened the boy while they made him watch how they took turns to rape the girl...I'm reconsidering my previous answer while feeling absolutely disgusted and having a little less faith in mankind.That sucks, M. But what can you do? Throw your knife to the other side of Belgium? Truth is, participating in car traffic is much more likely to get you killed than a street fight.
An RPG might seem a rational choice in some countries.
Quote from: Ronald Schröder on June 29, 2017, 10:21:52 PMQuote from: Mechanickal on June 29, 2017, 10:03:01 PMLast night a boy and girl, both 18 and returning from promnight, were harassed at the beach (other side of the country) by 3 men.After they took the boy's money (€70) they decided they wanted more, pulled a knife and threatened the boy while they made him watch how they took turns to rape the girl...I'm reconsidering my previous answer while feeling absolutely disgusted and having a little less faith in mankind.That sucks, M. But what can you do? Throw your knife to the other side of Belgium? Truth is, participating in car traffic is much more likely to get you killed than a street fight.yeah, but I bet that participating in car traffic is not going to rape you, enter in your house with your own keys, empty your bank account in a few hours or take away all your IDs, passport, cards and nice watch (and occasionally your clothes, mobile phone, jewelry, bag, etc.) in a heartbeatHeart disease, cancer, or slipping in your shower are also more likely to get you killed...
Your country is safer than I thought though Kampfer. It depends on the region I guess. Some cities are notorious. We have a saying here, about "becoming like Chicago" but that comes from old timers. I preferred the 40mm grenade launcher. But having to use such things, even a knife, during peacetime is frustrating.
Quote from: kkokkolis on June 29, 2017, 10:57:21 PMYour country is safer than I thought though Kampfer. It depends on the region I guess. Some cities are notorious. We have a saying here, about "becoming like Chicago" but that comes from old timers. I preferred the 40mm grenade launcher. But having to use such things, even a knife, during peacetime is frustrating.I frequent Crime city Oakland and snowflake capitol Berkeley, but I never take my family there.We live in a sleepy little town, close to police station. A couple times we called for police, they got there in less than 90 seconds.
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