Surge or ReBar?

[T.Sawyer]

I already have a Wave and a ST300. I edc the Wave and have done so for a while. Love it.
Looking at a Rebar or a Surge now.
I like the size and the replaceable cutters of the Rebar.
But I like the larger plier size and the oho tools of the Surge.
Buying both isn't quite an option
What do I do?


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[kaput]

Do you want a bigger version Wave? Or, a smaller version ST300?

Answer this, and you will know your path.. 

[zoidberg]

Surge.   

[zoidberg]

Also don't worry about the tapatalk triple post thing, it happens from time to time.

[T.Sawyer]

Do you want a bigger version Wave? Or, a smaller version ST300?

Answer this, and you will know your path.. 

I think I am leaning toward a Surge.
More benefits than the Rebar. (Size doesn't bother me I don't think).
However, does the file on the Surge prove to be as tough as the one on say, the Wave?
Having the bit exchanger seems to be more flexible and breakable than a fixed file?


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[oliverdlanza]

Rebar from Cabela's
http://www.cabelas.com/product/LEATHERMAN

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[zoidberg]

Do you want a bigger version Wave? Or, a smaller version ST300?

Answer this, and you will know your path.. 

I think I am leaning toward a Surge.
More benefits than the Rebar. (Size doesn't bother me I don't think).
However, does the file on the Surge prove to be as tough as the one on say, the Wave?
Having the bit exchanger seems to be more flexible and breakable than a fixed file?


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The exchanger isn't super strong. It doesn't like sideways pressure. Well, mine didn't.   

[T.Sawyer]

Thanks Z. I think this is the only thing that's holding me back from pulling the trigger on the Surge

[zoidberg]

The exchanger isn't super strong. It doesn't like sideways pressure. Well, mine didn't.   

I think this is the only thing holding me back from the pulpit the trigger on the Surge


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It's still very useful but like everything there is a limit.

[zoidberg]

I recently cut a tyre off the rim using a hacksaw blade in the exchanger. I'll have a look for a pic. There's one around here somewhere.

[zoidberg]

[zoidberg]

The rebar is pretty cool.
But the stronger blades etc on the surge really make it a heavier duty tool.
Did I mention the outside opening scissors...

[T.Sawyer]

The rebar is pretty cool.
But the stronger blades etc on the surge really make it a heavier duty tool.
Did I mention the outside opening scissors...

That's totally awesome. I think you might have sold me...


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[T.Sawyer]

That BO looks even better well loved than brand new too


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[Aloha]

I think the Surge offers much more bang for the buck over the Rebar.  The bit driver and the exchanger both expand what this tool can do over nearly all others.  OHO is a convenience to some but there are times I really on one hand to open my blades.  The Surge in BO is one sexy beast also. 

[Zed]

Do you want a bigger version Wave? Or, a smaller version ST300?

Answer this, and you will know your path.. 

This was my thoughts  I've owned and heavely used all and my favourite was the surge as I've always liked the wave ,is the surge better than the rebar/st300 ? Different basically, inboard tools vs outboard,bit adapters versus dedicated tool,list goes on,plus the surge weighs a ton ,but I would still choose the surge as so cool 

[T.Sawyer]

Thanks Aloha and Zed.
The BO is indeed MT drool worthy.
How do the plier heads differ?
Both with replaceable cutters, but does the bigger footprint of the Surge give more prying and cutting power because it's just bigger?
Also, are the cutters in either of these MT's different steels compared to fixed cutting blades on Waves or Charges?
I heard somewhere they are 154cm but that could be


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[Mechanickal]

Got the Rebar myself and carry it for work.

Because I'd be less heart broken over it compared to my other tools...

It does the job, but just doens't have the same "soul" as my Charge.

[Zed]

Thanks Aloha and Zed.
The BO is indeed MT drool worthy.
How do the plier heads differ?
Both with replaceable cutters, but does the bigger footprint of the Surge give more prying and cutting power because it's just bigger?
Also, are the cutters in either of these MT's different steels compared to fixed cutting blades on Waves or Charges?
I heard somewhere they are 154cm but that could be


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I had the old version with no replaceable cutter,but I'm not a fan of that type and the old pliers work great,especially if you have big hands as it's got extra grunt with bigger handles, as for the blade steel I think it's 440 c ? Or 420? Same as the wave I think and sharpend easy but can also blunt easy but i always carry a seperate knife so was no issue to me,there is something about the surge and if you prefer your wave then the surge is a good choice,plus it's outboard scissors work a treat and strong,I used mine on zipties with no problems 

[T.Sawyer]

Got the Rebar myself and carry it for work.

Because I'd be less heart broken over it compared to my other tools...

It does the job, but just doens't have the same "soul" as my Charge.

Great point mate.
I had a Charge tti, until I had to forfeit it at security at the airport. But I was always conscious of over loading it and killing the beautiful thing. A Rebar would be great for that purpose, with the main point being the cost to replace the MT
Do you ever find yourself wishing you had a little more gripping power or sighing during the process of pulling out the in-handle knives?


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[T.Sawyer]

Thanks Aloha and Zed.
The BO is indeed MT drool worthy.
How do the plier heads differ?
Both with replaceable cutters, but does the bigger footprint of the Surge give more prying and cutting power because it's just bigger?
Also, are the cutters in either of these MT's different steels compared to fixed cutting blades on Waves or Charges?
I heard somewhere they are 154cm but that could be


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I had the old version with no replaceable cutter,but I'm not a fan of that type and the old pliers work great,especially if you have big hands as it's got extra grunt with bigger handles, as for the blade steel I think it's 440 c ? Or 420? Same as the wave I think and sharpend easy but can also blunt easy but i always carry a seperate knife so was no issue to me,there is something about the surge and if you prefer your wave then the surge is a good choice,plus it's outboard scissors work a treat and strong,I used mine on zipties with no problems 

Yeah the scissors really appeal to me Zed. The ones on the Wave are unreal for their size but as you said above about the Surge's pair, some more power and cutting surface would be unrivalled.

The way I'm leaning so far is that the Surge would be perfect for doing some real work day in day out. But if someone was to have an easy day ahead, where comfort and a minimalistic uniform really counts, the Rebar comes in flying.
For me in my job, I have big days where there is some real work to be done. But others so very little and I usually can find out at least a day or two ahead. So perhaps an irregular rotation could be the (almost) perfect solution for myself and my irregular work schedule.

Thoughts?


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[Zed]

Thanks Aloha and Zed.
The BO is indeed MT drool worthy.
How do the plier heads differ?
Both with replaceable cutters, but does the bigger footprint of the Surge give more prying and cutting power because it's just bigger?
Also, are the cutters in either of these MT's different steels compared to fixed cutting blades on Waves or Charges?
I heard somewhere they are 154cm but that could be


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I had the old version with no replaceable cutter,but I'm not a fan of that type and the old pliers work great,especially if you have big hands as it's got extra grunt with bigger handles, as for the blade steel I think it's 440 c ? Or 420? Same as the wave I think and sharpend easy but can also blunt easy but i always carry a seperate knife so was no issue to me,there is something about the surge and if you prefer your wave then the surge is a good choice,plus it's outboard scissors work a treat and strong,I used mine on zipties with no problems 

Yeah the scissors really appeal to me Zed. The ones on the Wave are unreal for their size but as you said above about the Surge's pair, some more power and cutting surface would be unrivalled.

The way I'm leaning so far is that the Surge would be perfect for doing some real work day in day out. But if someone was to have an easy day ahead, where comfort and a minimalistic uniform really counts, the Rebar comes in flying.
For me in my job, I have big days where there is some real work to be done. But others so very little and I usually can find out at least a day or two ahead. So perhaps an irregular rotation could be the (almost) perfect solution for myself and my irregular work schedule.

Thoughts?


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Od course the other option is the MTO way and but both    the rebar has no scissors and when you hold a surge you will be like I need this tool 

[Mechanickal]

Got the Rebar myself and carry it for work.

Because I'd be less heart broken over it compared to my other tools...

It does the job, but just doens't have the same "soul" as my Charge.

Great point mate.
I had a Charge tti, until I had to forfeit it at security at the airport. But I was always conscious of over loading it and killing the beautiful thing. A Rebar would be great for that purpose, with the main point being the cost to replace the MT
Do you ever find yourself wishing you had a little more gripping power or sighing during the process of pulling out the in-handle knives?


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I genuinly miss the OHO blade on my Charge during work, the nail nicks work ok but since it has 1 backspring for all the tools, usualy some other tool comes out along.
Opening the handles to reach for something is somewhat a drag.

But again, bought it second hand, combined with the bit adapter tool for as much as a new bit adapter alone would cost me.
So the adapter gets used on other tools while the Rebar went on the work belt as being more easlily expendable.

It does what it have to, no major forces applied during work (alarm tech) so can't comment on that.
Grippy enough for me, since I rarely get my hands REALLY dirty...
(If that's what you meant?) Sometimes less handy when I've only got one free hand.

Basicaly: would I have bought it if not for the bit adapter?
- NO!

But it's here now, so it gets used and maintained.

Off days are the days to carry my favourites!

[Mechanickal]

On a sidenote: mine came with modded in scissors. If not for those, I would've probably sold it ahead...

[Kev D]

Definitely a surge.

The rebar is a nice small tool but not a patch on the surge

[Poncho65]

I love the Rebar  (mine also has scissors  ) but from what you are saying the surge seems a better fit for you Both great tools.in different categories if you ask me 

Goof luck with whatever choice you make though 

[T.Sawyer]

On a sidenote: mine came with modded in scissors. If not for those, I would've probably sold it ahead...

Great story Mechanickal!
But I think you need another Charge on your work belt for true MT satisfaction 

Throughout this topic I have totally forgot the Rebar doesn't have scissors at all.

Strange question but, are the scissors on the Surge fit for making finger nail 'repairs' on the go like the Wave's scissors can?
Nail knicks are my sworn enemy

[T.Sawyer]

Thanks Kevin and Poncho.
The Surge is looking pretty damn good at the moment


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[Zed]

Thanks Kevin and Poncho.
The Surge is looking pretty damn good at the moment


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Other than my wave the surge is my other regret selling but needs must,the surge is a great choice and a lot of tool for the money,dam I want another now 

[Mechanickal]

On a sidenote: mine came with modded in scissors. If not for those, I would've probably sold it ahead...

Great story Mechanickal!
But I think you need another Charge on your work belt for true MT satisfaction 

Throughout this topic I have totally forgot the Rebar doesn't have scissors at all.

Strange question but, are the scissors on the Surge fit for making finger nail 'repairs' on the go like the Wave's scissors can?
Nail knicks are my sworn enemy

I do!

It's just that I don't want to risk losing/damaging it for a company that barely buys me screwdrivers and pliers...