Often times I hear "well, it depends on which tools you use, or want, or need".I suppose that is true to an extent but often I find, (doing my best MacGyver impression), it's making due with what you have available that counts. Of course, that being said, the more you have with you, the more creative one can become to complete a given task.In my mind it really just comes down to a compromise of what or how much I'm willing to carry. In this regard, the celidor SAK's are hard to beat. For about the same size or weight, you are additionally getting at least a toothpick and tweezers, plus scales gets you a pin and a pen. Add a corkscrew, mini screw driver possibly awl and/or hook on the back and I'd argue there's really not much comparison keeping weight and size similar.Like one of your fun to watch videos points out El Corkscrew, the compact is incredibly hard to beat for an edc if one truly remains practically minded. But that's where the conflict seems to start, at least for me. I have a gorgeous compact and climber sitting right here on my desk but it's my evowood 14 that's sitting in my pocket for the last half a week, because it has the basic tools I want, (blade and scissors), and those oh so cool looking wood scales that I've come to admire.That's my two cents, sorry bout the ramble!
I agree with all your thoughts, especially the ones in bold. However to put it in another way, about the "well, it depends on which tools you use, or want, or need", for me it's more "it depend's for what you need to use it the most for and of what kind of different uses you can get out of every tool other than for what it was design for..."At an example, the opening layer is essential for me to have, and i don't open cans or pop a lot of bottle caps. It's all the hundreds of different uses i can get out of those two tools other than the ones they where designed for. That for me is the beauty of Sak's and Sak edc It's all about the balance on what (and how much) you are willing co carry with you VS how much versatility of use you can get out of each of the tools despite their original intended use IMHO
My other point that often tends to make all this "logic" pointless is the consideration of aesthetics. I think more often than not that can be the major determinant when deciding which SAK to carry, (or to buy for that matter), especially for us lovers of SAKs
Quote from: Faddy Daddy on August 06, 2017, 06:17:28 PMMy other point that often tends to make all this "logic" pointless is the consideration of aesthetics. I think more often than not that can be the major determinant when deciding which SAK to carry, (or to buy for that matter), especially for us lovers of SAKs Well... i really don't feel it actually makes this logic pointless, but rather it adds to it as far as a consideration, as long as it's not the prime consideration for carry that is...I love Sak's because of looks and aesthetics ( as an object) almost as much as for their usefulness as a tool. I think it's very important that you like the looks of what you are carrying too, cause if not, it's just like you are carrying an ordinary tool like a hammer, pliers, regular screwdriver where there is really no pleasure in carry them, just a need for it.While it may seam like blasphemy saying this here, i really don't see any beauty on an MT as far as the object's aesthetics goes, i do see it as far as engineering and usefulness as a tool goes, but that's it. Exactly the same as any other regular tool on a tool chest drawer... It just look's cold and industrial to me, great to get the job done but that's it...
Since we're safely in the SAK forum, I'll share my opinion too. Most MT's I've are eye sores... especially when compared to a SAK. Awlthough I already carry 3 SAKs with the same tool set; SI, Soldier, and OC Pioneer - I am really enjoying carrying my new black Pioneer. Such a looker, goes with everything. I believe I've mentioned before, I decided to get rid of the 2 Silver Pioneers I had b/c why keep them? ya know? They're still beautiful and awl, I just prefer the looks of the Soldier for silver. I've also begun to EDC a newish white Golfer and new red Compact along with my black compact... a color for every occasion... (a green or silvertech would nice though...
Grew up with a Swiss Army. Red celidor. Loved it. It has been lost to time. So I bought the bottom one (Super Tinker) in 1988 before going on a camping trip. It served me well through the years...UNTIL about 5 years ago when it took a fall or two onto hard pavement. It hit the end and the scales came off. One even got run over. It so not take this damage well. Too bad, too. It has the nice crossbow stamp on the tang, with Rostfrei on the other side, has the old "shim" style pre 1991 snap ring receiver, and the flat screw at the scissor pivot. Now it is half useless because the layer channels got dented in the fall and tools won't open.Received the top one (Tinker Deluxe) as a gift from a thoughtful friend when he saw the condition of my old one. Just five years later, it's in the same boat.I think this sums up why, even though I think of celidor when I think Swiss Army, Ihate it like captain hook hates peter pan.Besides, the Alox or similar is really more original and stronger. And it is rivitted on. All models should have Alox as an option.This never happened to one of my Leathermans
Furthermore, Victorinox has a great reputation with honoring their warranties. Gotta be honest though, the vintage cellidors feel a LOT more solid.
That Super Tinker went everywhere with me between '88 and about 2012. It took the nasty world of network IT (said full tongue in cheek) to bring it down. It wasn't used extra hard. I have a Leatherman Surge for that. Perspective is not wanting to replace scales because it was dropped on pavement a couple of times in its life.LM Signal and Skeletool are not the basic Stainless boxes, I don't think. My PST 2 and Original Supertools fall into that category. Signal and Skeletool are downright fancy for no reason in my book, though I can't speak for nor against their reliability as I don't have one.I do still love these SAKS, though. Did someone say that these may be covered under warranty? Is that true?
El Corkscrew...Are you saying if I send these to Victorinox, they send them back repaired or replaced? I never knew that about Swiss Army.I love my old Super Tinker. Will they return it if they can't fix it?
Quote from: ThundahBeagle on August 08, 2017, 08:49:49 PMThat Super Tinker went everywhere with me between '88 and about 2012. It took the nasty world of network IT (said full tongue in cheek) to bring it down. It wasn't used extra hard. I have a Leatherman Surge for that. Perspective is not wanting to replace scales because it was dropped on pavement a couple of times in its life.LM Signal and Skeletool are not the basic Stainless boxes, I don't think. My PST 2 and Original Supertools fall into that category. Signal and Skeletool are downright fancy for no reason in my book, though I can't speak for nor against their reliability as I don't have one.I do still love these SAKS, though. Did someone say that these may be covered under warranty? Is that true?Like i said in the other topic:The scales issue is the easiest one to solve, and i wouldn't bother with trying to restore or glue the older ones. Just get some new sets of scales, even in other color or plus ones it you want, and put them on the Sak's. It's a fairly easy job to do As for the damaged liners on the super tinker, that may take some doing depending on how bent or dammed the liners are. I you feel you can´t straighten them back to shape with some thin pliers or so, the best thing would be stooping by a Victorinox Rep and finding out how much it would cost to get them fixed. It will probably need to be disassembled to get the liners beaten back into shape, or even getting some new ones. And they will also put in some new scales for you too Beware however the lifetime warranty may not cover damage caused by drops or similar, but they will fix it for sure, even if for a small fee
Quote from: ThundahBeagle on August 08, 2017, 08:51:44 PMEl Corkscrew...Are you saying if I send these to Victorinox, they send them back repaired or replaced? I never knew that about Swiss Army.I love my old Super Tinker. Will they return it if they can't fix it?At most they will charge you $5 each to repair or replace them. Maximum of 5 knives at a time.
the Carver is electrician blade and pruning blade?