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Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign 501

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Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« on: July 14, 2017, 10:27:38 AM »
As it is well known there were two types of "Camping" sign on shield scale of some SAK models e.g. Ranger or Spartan.
Old type of it was inlayed and the newest one was hot printed.
According to my observations this change happened approximately in 1985. As an example, here https://leaf-vics.com/2014/11/061-ranger.html (thanks to LeaF) we can see Ranger with old sign on the top scale. It was made in 1983-1985. And below there is a photo of Explorer made in 1983-1985. So, my conclusion is: it happened roughly in 1985 or at least, it could not happen later than 1985.
Do you have any ideas about this event?
« Last Edit: July 14, 2017, 01:05:14 PM by Frater_Martin »



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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2017, 11:29:52 AM »
I for surely don't... but probably this would be a good estimation...

I also have both types of scales on my rangers



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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2017, 12:03:32 AM »
I have a couple of inlaid "Camping" Rangers that are both 1985 or later (sewing eye in reamer) and one of them is 1992 or later, rivet in scissors, hook on back, etc.  This one has a full complement of back tools (5), the other has 3 back tools, no hook, no chisel.  Top right is the newer one, bottom left is the older.

Others inlays on a Camper and Pickniker have aluminum head tweezers so 70's I think.  Sorry............. :cheers:
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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2017, 03:41:35 AM »
Grooved corkscrew, screw joint on scissors, cap lifter doesn't lock at 90°, no sewing eye on awl... I would estimate this as produced between '83 and '85...




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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2017, 08:11:18 AM »
I have a couple of inlaid "Camping" Rangers that are both 1985 or later (sewing eye in reamer) and one of them is 1992 or later, rivet in scissors, hook on back, etc.  This one has a full complement of back tools (5), the other has 3 back tools, no hook, no chisel.  Top right is the newer one, bottom left is the older.
I think, the bottom knife was made in 1986. Could you make close-up doubble-side photo of its reamer? I remember, that Victorinox used to use old details for one or sometimes more years diring "intermidiate" years. So it is possible, that they took new reamer and old scale for the one knife.
Anyway, I have a scale removed from my Spartan with hew hot stamped sign on it and on internal side there is mark of 1986 year of molding. So I am pretty sure, that in 1986 the inlaying of signs was completely stopped.
Concerning first top knife. I think, that inlayed scale might not to be its native. Do not say "sorry", you have not broken my theory yet :) This issue needs crarification. Does anyone more have the same old scale and new reamer on the same knife?

...Others inlays on a Camper and Pickniker have aluminum head tweezers so 70's I think.
It says nothing about the date of changind old scale -> new scale, only about year/age of starting usage
 inlayed type of the sign "Camping". Moreower here https://www.facebook.com/...rmalink/1846947848860957/ a guy found that aluminium tip on tweezers in quite modern knife.
Anyway thanks for your photos, they will help me to improve this issue.

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2017, 08:16:20 AM »
Grooved corkscrew, screw joint on scissors, cap lifter doesn't lock at 90°, no sewing eye on awl... I would estimate this as produced between '83 and '85...

I also think so.

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2017, 02:02:35 AM »
I for surely don't... but probably this would be a good estimation...

I also have both types of scales on my rangers
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Are those both inlay?
« Last Edit: July 16, 2017, 02:05:17 AM by El Corkscrew »

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2017, 02:04:56 AM »
I'll post pics when I get home but I have at least three variations of the camping logo. 

There are two w/ inlay that vary only slightly with the the size of the letters and lines. They are both pre 80, one w/ aluminum-tipped tweezers.

I want to say the camping logo showed up some time in the 70's... like 73 or 75??  Many changes were taking place in the 70's

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2017, 04:04:57 AM »
I for surely don't... but probably this would be a good estimation...

I also have both types of scales on my rangers
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Are those both inlay?
The bottom on is hot stamped I think...


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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2017, 11:37:42 PM »
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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2017, 12:02:23 AM »
So we know the inlay goes at least post 91.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2017, 12:03:25 AM by El Corkscrew »

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2017, 12:55:56 PM »
So we know the inlay goes at least post 91.
I would not be so sure. Look at the picture below. It is a scale from my Spartan. Its scales are shabby but we can recognize the sign and that sign is hot stamped, with three strips at the tent. It was made in 1988, no later. Because it has intermediate model of reamer, which was producing in 1986-1987 and on internal side of one scale there is a number "88" as a year when it was molded. I believe that signed scale is his own because it looks as old/shabby as another one.
One my pen friend reminds me constantly that we should not be sure in anything linked to Victorinox. Because it every time brings something unexpected new in things which were quite well known before.
So the date of sign changing is still unclear.

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2017, 01:07:04 PM »
Another datapoint.......

http://m.ebay.com/itm/322595759676?NAV=HOME
I am not sure those scales are native of that knife. On the left/corkscrew scale I have seen a pin hole. Am not I right?  But it is impossible because pin holes at regular scales appeared after 2002.

But everything is possible, so we need more information.
« Last Edit: July 17, 2017, 01:08:28 PM by Frater_Martin »

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2017, 01:07:28 PM »
I'll add a fourth type here.

Hiraethus sent me some scales and the logo (including the cross), isn't inlaid, or hot-stamped, but smooth and almost 'beneath' the scale surface.

See pic for details:

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2017, 01:10:13 PM »
I'll add a fourth type here.

Hiraethus sent me some scales and the logo (including the cross), isn't inlaid, or hot-stamped, but smooth and almost 'beneath' the scale surface.

See pic for details:
Is it pad printed? Is its color white or silver?
« Last Edit: July 17, 2017, 01:17:05 PM by Frater_Martin »

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2017, 01:11:45 PM »
I'll add a fourth type here.

Hiraethus sent me some scales and the logo (including the cross), isn't inlaid, or hot-stamped, but smooth and almost 'beneath' the scale surface.

See pic for details:
Is pad printed? Is its color white or silver?
It's a glittery silver and completely smooth - very nice feel to it. I was surprised about the shield being the same though.

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2017, 04:52:21 PM »
I'll add a fourth type here.

Hiraethus sent me some scales and the logo (including the cross), isn't inlaid, or hot-stamped, but smooth and almost 'beneath' the scale surface.

See pic for details:

Rest of the inters

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2017, 07:12:17 PM »
It is likely that there is a huge overlap between the inlaid phase-out and the hot stamp phase-in.  Unless Vic has a strict "first in, first out" inventory practice (not really needed in their business), inlaid scales could have remained in inventory years after the hot stamp phase-in.  They weren't replacing the inlaid because they were defective, just as a cost savings.  So a definitive end date for the inlaid may in reality be only a paperwork date.

Another datapoint, note the solid corkscrew....

http://m.ebay.com/itm/201987050090
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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2017, 07:26:39 PM »
It is likely that there is a huge overlap between the inlaid phase-out and the hot stamp phase-in.  Unless Vic has a strict "first in, first out" inventory practice (not really needed in their business), inlaid scales could have remained in inventory years after the hot stamp phase-in.  They weren't replacing the inlaid because they were defective, just as a cost savings.  So a definitive end date for the inlaid may in reality be only a paperwork date.

Another datapoint, note the solid corkscrew....

http://m.ebay.com/itm/201987050090

Speaking of which, there is quite a bit of inconsistency with the corkscrew, sourced from different places at different times.  Some fluted corkscrews you could bobsled in, others are barely noticeable...  while on the Economy knives starting in the early 70's the corkscrew is not fluted.  The corkscrew shares awl of of its secrets with me. :D
  Lot's to factor in, may not ever get an accurate answer but it's a lot of fun trying!

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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2017, 08:45:53 PM »
Are you saying that corkscrews have a "screw loose"?  Is this first hand knowledge?   :rofl:
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Re: Lets date the changing of "Camping" sign
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2017, 02:08:44 AM »
It is likely that there is a huge overlap between the inlaid phase-out and the hot stamp phase-in.  Unless Vic has a strict "first in, first out" inventory practice (not really needed in their business), inlaid scales could have remained in inventory years after the hot stamp phase-in.  They weren't replacing the inlaid because they were defective, just as a cost savings.  So a definitive end date for the inlaid may in reality be only a paperwork date.

Another datapoint, note the solid corkscrew....

http://m.ebay.com/itm/201987050090

Speaking of which, there is quite a bit of inconsistency with the corkscrew, sourced from different places at different times.  Some fluted corkscrews you could bobsled in, others are barely noticeable...  while on the Economy knives starting in the early 70's the corkscrew is not fluted.  The corkscrew shares awl of of its secrets with me. :D
  Lot's to factor in, may not ever get an accurate answer but it's a lot of fun trying!
Was thinking about this... my recently restored Economy Spartan didn't have the fluted CS...


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