I agree with 50 on every thing he had to say about the Spirit, and would say the same plus for the Swisstool. On the other hand I must take exception to the comments of Ducttape with reguards to the Swisstool. I primarily work on commercial hot food equipment, greasy, oily, gritty, and carbon covered equipment. The Swisstool is my single most used hand tool, only exceded by my multi-meter. For some reason I don't realy care for that shocking sensation from a live circuit. I personaly have never had a problem with the precision of the Swiswstool being hard to hold or otherwise. I to came to the plier based MT via Leatherman, but after breaking the handles of three Waves just below the pivot point in one year I happened upon the Swisstool. The Lm's all broke under what I consider to be "normal" use. To be fair to LM I have broken a blade on my Swisstool, but that was absolutly abuse and not "normal" use. Yes I admit I abuse my Swisstool. I can not speek for how the Spirit handles under the greasy etc... conditions as it is a lighter tool than the Spirit and being so I would not put it through the abuse of what my job requires. Even being a lighter tool I belive it superior to the Wave and most if not all LM products. When is the last time you saw actual rust on a SAK. Ok I've said enough.Mappy MT's to all.
Quote from: Douglas on July 20, 2017, 03:02:10 PMI agree with 50 on every thing he had to say about the Spirit, and would say the same plus for the Swisstool. On the other hand I must take exception to the comments of Ducttape with reguards to the Swisstool. I primarily work on commercial hot food equipment, greasy, oily, gritty, and carbon covered equipment. The Swisstool is my single most used hand tool, only exceded by my multi-meter. For some reason I don't realy care for that shocking sensation from a live circuit. I personaly have never had a problem with the precision of the Swiswstool being hard to hold or otherwise. I to came to the plier based MT via Leatherman, but after breaking the handles of three Waves just below the pivot point in one year I happened upon the Swisstool. The Lm's all broke under what I consider to be "normal" use. To be fair to LM I have broken a blade on my Swisstool, but that was absolutly abuse and not "normal" use. Yes I admit I abuse my Swisstool. I can not speek for how the Spirit handles under the greasy etc... conditions as it is a lighter tool than the Spirit and being so I would not put it through the abuse of what my job requires. Even being a lighter tool I belive it superior to the Wave and most if not all LM products. When is the last time you saw actual rust on a SAK. Ok I've said enough.Mappy MT's to all.Last Sunday on Al's Spirit https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,72951.msg1514750.html#msg1514750
Many things have been said, I won't repeat them, but let me add thisForm Factor:The Spirit is longer and thinner when compared to others. The result is that - that, combined with its smoothness (no sharp corners on a Spirit) makes it rides much more comfortable in your pants.- all the small tools (screwdriver, prytool etc...) are longer and have better reach.I carry a spirit with me every day and I never notice it there. The Signal on the other hand (the only similar sized MT I have carried for a while) was a lot more noticeable.
what is so special about the Spirit?
As alot of others stated:You'll know when you handled one...
and it won't rust! Perfect companion for a Spyderco Salt (Image removed from quote.)
So what do you guys think about this list?Swisstool cons:No lanyard ringNo pocket clipNo OHO knives or tools (other than pliers)No operation with gloves (other than pliers)Damage to fingernailsNot user modifiableNot user repairable
Quote from: aluminated on July 21, 2017, 03:40:46 AMSo what do you guys think about this list?Swisstool cons:No lanyard ringNo pocket clipNo OHO knives or tools (other than pliers)No operation with gloves (other than pliers)Damage to fingernailsNot user modifiableNot user repairableexcept it:does have a lanyard attachment holeknives and tools can be one hand openedknives and tools can be used with glovesdoesn't have to trash your nailscan be modifiedcan be repaired
Quote from: zoidberg on July 21, 2017, 04:18:43 AMQuote from: aluminated on July 21, 2017, 03:40:46 AMSo what do you guys think about this list?Swisstool cons:No lanyard ringNo pocket clipNo OHO knives or tools (other than pliers)No operation with gloves (other than pliers)Damage to fingernailsNot user modifiableNot user repairableexcept it:does have a lanyard attachment holeknives and tools can be one hand openedknives and tools can be used with glovesdoesn't have to trash your nailscan be modifiedcan be repairedI think we have different definitions or at least different perspectives for some of those terms. Don't get me wrong - I am not nagging on the Victorinox products. I love my Swisstool and check the repair status of my Spirit at least twice daily. However, some of the design choices such as the location of the lanyard hole (is that the strange slot/hole thing?) have me befuddled. I'm sure I CAN open all the tools with a tooth too, but I'm not about to call the Spirit "OTO."Same for the glove comment. Latex or nitrile, maybe. How about a cowhide work gauntlets?Doesn't have to trash your nails...but probably will do some damage. I'd rather not have nail nicks for every tool, but that's personal preference, largely because I had a Swisstool with tools so hard to open that I broke a couple nails with almost every tool selection. Btw, I'm old(er.) I have very hard and strong nails.There's nothing I could do to change that tool other than to send it away for repair so I resold it to a friend to be a user/beater.
USE It Every Day for 6 weeks, then tell me about cons.What most are calling cons are not even noticed if they actulay cary and use the tool consistantly.