The thread title is epic fail.The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.
Quote from: WoodsDuck on August 06, 2017, 04:06:33 AMThe people this group are attempting to shame by parading that name/statement around include, but are not limited to all law enforcement agents, all soldiers, me, my deceased grandpa, quite a few people on this forum, and billions of other individuals, past and present.No, that isn't who they are attempting to shame. They are attempting to shame children who carry things as weapons.I think you're taking it all a bit personally.
The people this group are attempting to shame by parading that name/statement around include, but are not limited to all law enforcement agents, all soldiers, me, my deceased grandpa, quite a few people on this forum, and billions of other individuals, past and present.
The thread title is epic fail.The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.Related fails include legal assumptions based not on the laws of the land where the charity works, but on laws of the overseas commentators. The fails there are too epic for me to waste time on. Hardly any of the legal assumptions in this thread are right from what I can see.It's so... ... it's almost (but still not quite) laughable.
Quote from: 50ft-trad on August 06, 2017, 11:52:05 AMThe thread title is epic fail.The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.Related fails include legal assumptions based not on the laws of the land where the charity works, but on laws of the overseas commentators. The fails there are too epic for me to waste time on. Hardly any of the legal assumptions in this thread are right from what I can see.It's so... ... it's almost (but still not quite) laughable.The problem is that those things tend to spill over the borders of one little corner of a small island. I wouldn't exactly call Britain small, but that is a landmass vs cultural significance debate. And regardless of the Brexit, Britain is a big player in the EU. Since you're keen on hitting that cultural perspective, tell me is there a legitimate reason a teen could carry a tool in Essex?As far as legality goes - criminals don't adhere to laws anyway so either that point is moot or we're just starring at a very huge can of worms.
Quote from: styx on August 06, 2017, 01:38:13 PMQuote from: 50ft-trad on August 06, 2017, 11:52:05 AMThe thread title is epic fail.The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.Related fails include legal assumptions based not on the laws of the land where the charity works, but on laws of the overseas commentators. The fails there are too epic for me to waste time on. Hardly any of the legal assumptions in this thread are right from what I can see.It's so... ... it's almost (but still not quite) laughable.The problem is that those things tend to spill over the borders of one little corner of a small island. I wouldn't exactly call Britain small, but that is a landmass vs cultural significance debate. And regardless of the Brexit, Britain is a big player in the EU. Since you're keen on hitting that cultural perspective, tell me is there a legitimate reason a teen could carry a tool in Essex?As far as legality goes - criminals don't adhere to laws anyway so either that point is moot or we're just starring at a very huge can of worms.Of course. A teen just like any other person in the UK is allowed to carry whatever they need to carry out their daily lives. It's only the act of carrying for the purposes of causing harm that they are trying to change, not carrying of household items under any circumstances whatsoever. If the teen in question is on his way to fix his Gran's garden gate, no problem.
Quote from: 50ft-trad on August 06, 2017, 02:16:54 PMQuote from: styx on August 06, 2017, 01:38:13 PMQuote from: 50ft-trad on August 06, 2017, 11:52:05 AMThe thread title is epic fail.The epic fail is not one little charity working in one little corner of a small island nation to raise awareness of something in their immediate community, but the attempts of people from a different cultural and legal perspective in other lands to "globalise" this and therefore make it about them somehow. It's not. Not even remotely.Related fails include legal assumptions based not on the laws of the land where the charity works, but on laws of the overseas commentators. The fails there are too epic for me to waste time on. Hardly any of the legal assumptions in this thread are right from what I can see.It's so... ... it's almost (but still not quite) laughable.The problem is that those things tend to spill over the borders of one little corner of a small island. I wouldn't exactly call Britain small, but that is a landmass vs cultural significance debate. And regardless of the Brexit, Britain is a big player in the EU. Since you're keen on hitting that cultural perspective, tell me is there a legitimate reason a teen could carry a tool in Essex?As far as legality goes - criminals don't adhere to laws anyway so either that point is moot or we're just starring at a very huge can of worms.Of course. A teen just like any other person in the UK is allowed to carry whatever they need to carry out their daily lives. It's only the act of carrying for the purposes of causing harm that they are trying to change, not carrying of household items under any circumstances whatsoever. If the teen in question is on his way to fix his Gran's garden gate, no problem.And if said teen wants to EDC a tool?Thats a similar situation to the one I find myself in here in the ROI. There is no provision for carrying a multi for daily EDC purposes under the law here, and I doubt that "Its my daily EDC" would fly as a "reasonable excuse". But I'm going off topic now....
Come on guys let's cool down on this one a bit It seems to be drifting toward political and we don't want that It all started with a pic that the majority of us had no clue about and went from there So let's agree to disagree and move on
Whose turn is it to buy a round?
I'll buy. Meet at The Stone Pony in Asbury Park, NJ?If in a hurry, tonight at The Saint in Asbury Park.
Rather not, I've had as many as my liver can take already tonight.
I'll meet you there, I just need to get Concord back into service in less than 3 hours.