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[hard.times.lures]

I do not like the half stop of cap lifter blade.  I am trying to find 84mm Recruit, Bantam, Sportsman & Small Tinker without the 1/2 stop.

My question is can you tell from a photo or the tang markings if it has the 1/2 stop?

Thanks, Bryan

[Don Pablo]

Not really, unless you have a really good picture...
What you can do is look at the other tools to figure out when the knife was made... If it's pre-1985 then the bottle opener will have no half stop.

Not sure about 84mm, but I think that the half stop was added there much more recently. 

[GoatDragon]

Wenger and victorinox delemont (evolution, evogrip and evowood) SAKs don't have the half stop on the can opener.

[pfrsantos]

I do not like the half stop of cap lifter blade.  I am trying to find 84mm Recruit, Bantam, Sportsman & Small Tinker without the 1/2 stop.

My question is can you tell from a photo or the tang markings if it has the 1/2 stop?

Thanks, Bryan

Don't know of a way to tell if the SAK has a half stop or not. Is it such a problem if it has? In my opinion, it's not much of a bother and it's an added feature that may come in handy if your using it as a screwdriver, it gives you more torque in a secure way.
 

[Tired_Yeti]

Everyone has their own opinion and in this topic none are right or wrong so in  light of that, my opinion is irrelevant to the discussion. However, For what it's worth, I've used the 1/2 stop screw drive quite a few times. More than one would have expected. It allows a good bit of torque for prying or twisting an old screw. I don't think I'd want a SAK not to have it.


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[Mechanickal]

Ecoline 84mm SAKs are more likely NOT have a half stap over regular 84mm's AFAIK.

[GoatDragon]

Ecoline 84mm SAKs are more likely NOT have a half stap over regular 84mm's AFAIK.

Wait really? I thought the only difference was the scales. You're saying the tools are different too?

[El Corkscrew]

Yeah, seems that way.  I haven't found a clear answer about when the half stop happens in the 84mm. 

I'd say most of my 84mm do not have the stop.

If it's got the small V  in  (Victorionox Switzerland Stainless Rostfrei) on the front tang stamp.  or no hole in the reamer/punch, then definitely no half stop.   

If it has the "Victorinox Switzerland Stainless" with small V,  and definitely does have the half stop.

[Mechanickal]

Ecoline 84mm SAKs are more likely NOT have a half stap over regular 84mm's AFAIK.

Wait really? I thought the only difference was the scales. You're saying the tools are different too?

The tool evolution on the Ecoline knives didn't always follow the ones found in the regular line.

Just did some reasearch, and like mentioned before, 84mm knives got the half stop around 2010, 2011.
My ecolines are 84mm from before 2010

So basicaly my comment is nearly useless now.

What I said about the tool evolution is right though...

[strmliner]

Generally speaking, production 84's that have the 4-line VSSR (Victorinox Switzerland Stainless Rostfrei) tang stamp on the front of the mainblade and the +Crossbow OS on the back of the mainblade won't have the caplifter 90 degree stop. These would be 84mm knives produced prior to 2004.

The caplifter 90 degree stop was introduced across the 84mm line around the 2011 timeframe.

So if you get a newer 84mm (2004-today) that has the 3-line Victorinox Swiss Made Stainless (or Victorinox Switzerland Stainless) on the front of the mainblade and Officier Suisse on the back of the mainblade, it's a bit harder to easily tell if the knife has the caplifter 90 degree stop (most do have; some do not).

I'm not one of the MTo SAK experts or serious collectors, just an interested person. I haven't been able to figure out the tang stamp/date coding any better yet.

 

[MacGyver]

Easy way to tell them apart is by the botlle opener shape, it's slightly different.

Below my 2006 small tinker (lower Sak) without mid stop and my 2017 small tinker (upper sak) with mid stop

[El Corkscrew]

Ecoline 84mm SAKs are more likely NOT have a half stap over regular 84mm's AFAIK.

Wait really? I thought the only difference was the scales. You're saying the tools are different too?

The tool evolution on the Ecoline knives didn't always follow the ones found in the regular line.

Just did some reasearch, and like mentioned before, 84mm knives got the half stop around 2010, 2011.
My ecolines are 84mm from before 2010

So basicaly my comment is nearly useless now.

What I said about the tool evolution is right though...

Wow, that late?  Thanks for the info 

[Mechanickal]

Ecoline 84mm SAKs are more likely NOT have a half stap over regular 84mm's AFAIK.

Wait really? I thought the only difference was the scales. You're saying the tools are different too?

The tool evolution on the Ecoline knives didn't always follow the ones found in the regular line.

Just did some reasearch, and like mentioned before, 84mm knives got the half stop around 2010, 2011.
My ecolines are 84mm from before 2010

So basicaly my comment is nearly useless now.

What I said about the tool evolution is right though...

Wow, that late?  Thanks for the info 

That late indeed!
God and Vic knows why they added it that late.

[strmliner]

Easy way to tell them apart is by the botlle opener shape, it's slightly different.

Below my 2006 small tinker (lower Sak) without mid stop and my 2017 small tinker (upper sak) with mid stop

Good catch MacG...unless you're looking specifically for that small difference, you'd probably never really notice it. Checking my 84mm modding stash with the 3-line tang stamp I see the difference. Also, the Economy 84's with nylon scales, imprinted logo, and the 3-line tang stamp don't have the 90 degree stop.   

[MacGyver]

Easy way to tell them apart is by the botlle opener shape, it's slightly different.

Below my 2006 small tinker (lower Sak) without mid stop and my 2017 small tinker (upper sak) with mid stop

Good catch MacG...unless you're looking specifically for that small difference, you'd probably never really notice it. Checking my 84mm modding stash with the 3-line tang stamp I see the difference. Also, the Economy 84's with nylon scales, imprinted logo, and the 3-line tang stamp don't have the 90 degree stop.   

I actually noticed the differences right away as I was carrying my 2006 small tinker the day I bought the 2017 one, the shot was from that day and I even posted it here somewhere.
There are 3 or 4 visual bottle opener details between them that's relatively easy to spot if one has good pics from a reference item. And of course the base of the opener tang is also square like instead of round.
Both blade tang stamps on the pic I posted are the same, 3 line stamp, no crossbow, current thinner tang. I think the 2006 one has the large V and the 2017 one the small v.

Another difference between them is the middle liner, the 2006 has the old style 84mm longer 2 layer middle liner, where as the 2017 one has the shorter current production 84mm middle liner. Don't know if that has any influence when dating the inclusion of the half stop on the bottle opener though...

The can opener has also many minor changes over the years, and slightly different between these two models too.

[Aloha]

I have nothing to add.  I just wanted to say these thread are awesome and I learn a ton. 

Thanks all and to the OP for the question.

[MacGyver]

Easy way to tell them apart is by the botlle opener shape, it's slightly different.

Below my 2006 small tinker (lower Sak) without mid stop and my 2017 small tinker (upper sak) with mid stop

Good catch MacG...unless you're looking specifically for that small difference, you'd probably never really notice it. Checking my 84mm modding stash with the 3-line tang stamp I see the difference. Also, the Economy 84's with nylon scales, imprinted logo, and the 3-line tang stamp don't have the 90 degree stop.   

I actually noticed the differences right away as I was carrying my 2006 small tinker the day I bought the 2017 one, the shot was from that day and I even posted it here somewhere.
There are 3 or 4 visual bottle opener details between them that's relatively easy to spot if one has good pics from a reference item. And of course the base of the opener tang is also square like instead of round.
Both blade tang stamps on the pic I posted are the same, 3 line stamp, no crossbow, current thinner tang. I think the 2006 one has the large V and the 2017 one the small v.

Another difference between them is the middle liner, the 2006 has the old style 84mm longer 2 layer middle liner, where as the 2017 one has the shorter current production 84mm middle liner. Don't know if that has any influence when dating the inclusion of the half stop on the bottle opener though...

The can opener has also many minor changes over the years, and slightly different between these two models too.

Ok, so here are the differences between the two models (2006- up vs 2017- down), middle liner and the blade tang stamps ("V" and "v") i mentioned above:

[captain spaulding]

I have nothing to add.  I just wanted to say these thread are awesome and I learn a ton. 

Thanks all and to the OP for the question.

+1.

Educational threads are great!

[cody6268]

Each to his own in my mind, but Vic added it for a reason. Many of my pocketknives have half stops, and I like that feature as it keeps the blade from closing on my fingers without need for a lock. Given most of my Vics don't have the in-line Phillips, I find myself using the can opener a ton to access hard-to-get at screws in odd angles. I wish Vic would add it to the can opener.

[MacGyver]

Each to his own in my mind, but Vic added it for a reason. Many of my pocketknives have half stops, and I like that feature as it keeps the blade from closing on my fingers without need for a lock. Given most of my Vics don't have the in-line Phillips, I find myself using the can opener a ton to access hard-to-get at screws in odd angles. I wish Vic would add it to the can opener.

Humm... That would actually be a great idea... 

That.... and the return of the 84mm scissors of course...