Old And New Swisstool

Magic Bus · **on:** October 25, 2008, 07:51:10 AM

I have one of each, and here are just a couple of differences I spotted. There are more than these, but these will have to do for now

Below is the older model plier head with no hard wire notch on the cutters

Below is the newer model with TWO notches in the cutters! I've looked closely, and neither notch is damage. Each notch is clearly formed.

Below are the phillips drivers, the old on the left, and newer on the right. I hope you can all see that the newer model tool has a quite noticeably squared off driver, while the old driver comes to much more of a point. So it appears to me that Victorinox have responded to criticism of the phillips driver.

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #1 on:** October 25, 2008, 09:04:42 AM

Great comparison shots mate

That's the beauty of the Vic ethos, there tool's are constantly evolving and being refined, rather than being binned after a couple of years

donvito · **Reply #2 on:** October 25, 2008, 09:05:04 AM

I just checked out my ST. It has a 1998 plier head (purchased new bout 6 years ago) and one notch in it for what I presume hard wire cutting and it does a good job at it. I'll try to take a pic tomorrow.

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #3 on:** October 25, 2008, 09:08:49 AM

Quote from: donvito on October 25, 2008, 09:05:04 AM

I just checked out my ST. It has a 1998 plier head (purchased new bout 6 years ago) and one notch in it for what I presume hard wire cutting and it does a good job at it. I'll try to take a pic tomorrow.

Look forward to the pics mate

donvito · **Reply #4 on:** October 25, 2008, 09:42:22 AM

well since you asked. my pics are not that good but should suffice. yeas there's some tiny bit of rust residue on the ST but it comes off easily. I'm very close to the ocean and the tool has and still sees some hard use.

donvito · **Reply #5 on:** October 25, 2008, 09:43:06 AM

few more.

donvito · **Reply #6 on:** October 25, 2008, 09:43:49 AM

in this one should show the notch well.

carl · **Reply #7 on:** October 25, 2008, 09:56:51 AM

Good eye for the details - thanks for the heads up - I'm in the market for an X model so will be looking for these updates as i shop around.

Dunc · **Reply #8 on:** October 25, 2008, 02:21:55 PM

The Very early Swisstools had no hardwire notch ,later ones although still with the old style plier head had a single hard wire notch. The later bigger plier heads had the two notchs .

Dunc

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #9 on:** October 25, 2008, 03:35:16 PM

Damn fine pics Donvito

Benner · **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2008, 07:39:13 PM

Quote from: donvito on October 25, 2008, 09:42:22 AM

well since you asked. my pics are not that good but should suffice. yeas there's some tiny bit of rust residue on the ST but it comes off easily. I'm very close to the ocean and the tool has and still sees some hard use.

You see that Mike.

donvito · **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2008, 08:19:51 PM

zzz rust residue, not rust. a few sprays of wd40 and a bit of cloth work and it's all gone. This tool has served me well and I always take care of it.

carl · **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2008, 09:01:00 PM

So whats the point of TWO notches? They're nearly the same size.

Freudian Frog · **Reply #13 on:** October 25, 2008, 09:07:44 PM

Quote from: carl on October 25, 2008, 09:01:00 PM

So whats the point of TWO notches? They're nearly the same size.

In case... the first one... breaks?

Leatherman123 · **Reply #14 on:** October 25, 2008, 09:22:34 PM

The one at the base is for hard wire, and the secondary notch is for copper wire- I think. I have to say, the new design doesn't cut soft wire very well!

Poncho65 · **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2008, 03:26:07 AM

Great pics and comparison MB

carl · **Reply #16 on:** October 27, 2008, 05:52:26 AM

Quote from: Leatherman123 on October 25, 2008, 09:22:34 PM

The one at the base is for hard wire, and the secondary notch is for copper wire- I think. I have to say, the new design doesn't cut soft wire very well!

Is that because of the cutter design or because the plier has too much pivot play? Does anyone else have a negative view of the newest wire cutter design?

donvito · **Reply #17 on:** October 27, 2008, 06:16:33 AM

Does the new pliers on the ST Spirit share this new two notch design?

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #18 on:** October 27, 2008, 07:00:44 AM

Quote from: carl on October 27, 2008, 05:52:26 AM

Quote from: Leatherman123 on October 25, 2008, 09:22:34 PM
The one at the base is for hard wire, and the secondary notch is for copper wire- I think. I have to say, the new design doesn't cut soft wire very well!
Is that because of the cutter design or because the plier has too much pivot play? Does anyone else have a negative view of the newest wire cutter design?

Hardly any MT pliers cut soft wire cleanly, but the ST will do it after a fashion

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #19 on:** October 27, 2008, 07:01:09 AM

Quote from: donvito on October 27, 2008, 06:16:33 AM

Does the new pliers on the ST Spirit share this new two notch design?

Yep

carl · **Reply #20 on:** October 27, 2008, 04:37:12 PM

"After a Fashion" = "After a few tries"?

Benner · **Reply #21 on:** October 27, 2008, 05:08:03 PM

Quote from: carl on October 27, 2008, 04:37:12 PM

"After a Fashion" = "After a few tries"?

Sort of, it's hard to explain that one.

Basically, the ST will cut them, but maybe not in the easiest or cleanest way.

Mike, Lord of the Spammers! · **Reply #22 on:** October 27, 2008, 06:10:52 PM

Quote from: Benner on October 27, 2008, 05:08:03 PM

Quote from: carl on October 27, 2008, 04:37:12 PM
"After a Fashion" = "After a few tries"?

Sort of, it's hard to explain that one.

Basically, the ST will cut them, but maybe not in the easiest or cleanest way.

What Banner said

donvito · **Reply #23 on:** October 27, 2008, 08:06:47 PM

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Does the new pliers on the ST Spirit share this new two notch design?
Yep Smiley

Thx.
How do you add quotes with the name of the quoted person showing?

Benner · **Reply #24 on:** October 27, 2008, 08:09:07 PM

Quote from: donvito on October 27, 2008, 08:06:47 PM

Quote
Does the new pliers on the ST Spirit share this new two notch design?
Yep Smiley
Thx.
How do you add quotes with the name of the quoted person showing?

You just click the Quote button on the post that you want to quote.

Roadie · **Reply #25 on:** October 27, 2008, 08:53:00 PM

Quote from: Benner on October 27, 2008, 08:09:07 PM

Quote from: donvito on October 27, 2008, 08:06:47 PM
Quote
Does the new pliers on the ST Spirit share this new two notch design?
Yep Smiley
Thx.
How do you add quotes with the name of the quoted person showing?

You just click the Quote button on the post that you want to quote.

Or you can create from scratch....remove the ' after the first [ though.
['quote author=Name of person]
Insert words here!
[/quote]

Leatherman123 · **Reply #26 on:** October 28, 2008, 02:07:27 AM

The LM wire cutters cut soft wire pretty cleanly!

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