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Global Moderator Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 8,546
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #30 on: January 24, 2018, 01:45:55 PM »
Seen the pics on that big foto of TL...

“It has to be perfect. My name is on every tool.”

Hope this means better quality for 2018. Just seen pics of a friends Juice CS4... the new one with shorter blade. Slightly used and never abused. But unfortunately, a backspring broke.


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Zombie Apprentice Posts: 14,613 Firm believer of Sturgeon's Law
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #31 on: January 24, 2018, 02:11:15 PM »
thank you Kampf,
pics and news much welcome and appreciated  :tu:

My toys:

MTs: Surge (2x), Skeletool CX, Rebar, Blast, Fuse, Micra, Squirt (3x), Wave, Crunch, Mini, Spirit (2x), Pro Scout, MP700 (2x), Diesel, Powerlock, PowerPlier (2x), PocketPowerPlier, Blacktip , ST6 (2x), 5WR, A100

SAKs: Bantam, Executive, Ambassador, Minichamp, Classic Alox, Champion, Farmer, Explorer, Swisschamp, Golf Tool, Wenger Champ, EVO 52, Pocket Tool Chest
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Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2018, 03:10:02 PM »
Quick point:
Leatherman: New Wave+, Charge AL+ and Charge Tti+.
Pre-production specimens were on display, the production model would have "+" stamped on scales. ALX is no more, the AL would have additional cutting hook on serrated blade. No other changes made.


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Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2018, 03:25:05 PM »
Thanks for all the info Kampfer :salute:

Proud SAKMC member :)


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Zombie Apprentice Posts: 14,613 Firm believer of Sturgeon's Law
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2018, 06:19:56 PM »
so far most things are boring, unrefreshing or pretty standard.   >:(
I feel underwhelmed with what most brands have to offer.

The ones I liked the most where the new Condor Amalgam, the ZT Hinderer collab (obviously out of my price range and comfortable purchases), and the Spyderco multi tools (Even those were overpriced and seem like they have lots of wasted space)
Most of the new Kershaws looked very good, but considering that they are 2-3 times their US price here in Europe, I won't' ever ge my hands on them  :P

Also Buck came out with their ultra lightweight 110 but I don't care for that model, just think it is nice and a long-desired addition to their catalog.

And even if I could have all the above for 1/4th of their retail price, I have too many tools and knives and stuff so I don't really feel like acquiring new stuff this year   :D

My toys:

MTs: Surge (2x), Skeletool CX, Rebar, Blast, Fuse, Micra, Squirt (3x), Wave, Crunch, Mini, Spirit (2x), Pro Scout, MP700 (2x), Diesel, Powerlock, PowerPlier (2x), PocketPowerPlier, Blacktip , ST6 (2x), 5WR, A100

SAKs: Bantam, Executive, Ambassador, Minichamp, Classic Alox, Champion, Farmer, Explorer, Swisschamp, Golf Tool, Wenger Champ, EVO 52, Pocket Tool Chest
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Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2018, 07:01:56 PM »
so far most things are boring, unrefreshing or pretty standard.   >:(
I feel underwhelmed with what most brands have to offer.

The ones I liked the most where the new Condor Amalgam, the ZT Hinderer collab (obviously out of my price range and comfortable purchases), and the Spyderco multi tools (Even those were overpriced and seem like they have lots of wasted space)
Most of the new Kershaws looked very good, but considering that they are 2-3 times their US price here in Europe, I won't' ever ge my hands on them  :P

Also Buck came out with their ultra lightweight 110 but I don't care for that model, just think it is nice and a long-desired addition to their catalog.

And even if I could have all the above for 1/4th of their retail price, I have too many tools and knives and stuff so I don't really feel like acquiring new stuff this year   :D

Yup the Amalgam is a good looking knife  :tu:

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Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2018, 09:23:16 PM »
so far most things are boring, unrefreshing or pretty standard.   >:(
I feel underwhelmed with what most brands have to offer.

You are certainly not alone, the stagnant progression is what slowed my interest down in collecting Multitools.
Kamps discovery that LM's contribution for 2018 is to add a '+' to their existing line up does nothing to reawaken the spark I once had. Victorinox's predictable banal tool configuration along with SOG's naff China built tack is what's making me stay away. I applaud Gerber for the "Center Drive".

 But seriously WTF!!

Dull Dull Dull

I don't claim to know it all, but what I do know is right.
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Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2018, 10:54:53 PM »
We continue to see new tools and they look different that the older ones  (sometimes) but how much is innovative? Ever since the early 2000's I feel the industry has gone stagnant. Yes we have some very nice tools and they do a great job. But they all have the same style, same format, same stuff. Leatherman could have stopped at the Wave/Pulse/Supertool etc and stopped. They would still be making money I feel regardless of creating new designs. Am I the only one that thinks this way?

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,255 Tactical Desk Jockey
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2018, 11:02:50 PM »
I have videos and photos of new SOG & Gerber, will post them tonight.
Going to meet with Tim Leatherman now.

Remember to ask me what you want to see.

EDC: Black Talon, Black Cat, Spirit, LD02
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Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2018, 11:15:54 PM »
I have videos and photos of new SOG & Gerber, will post them tonight.
Going to meet with Tim Leatherman now.

Remember to ask me what you want to see.

I would love to know why Leatherman will not create a Blunt Nose version of the Surge or ST300
I never need nor use needlenose pliers. They are a complete waste of time for me

I don't claim to know it all, but what I do know is right.
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Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #40 on: January 24, 2018, 11:32:53 PM »
Great work Kampfer so far.  :cheers:

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Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #41 on: January 25, 2018, 02:08:49 AM »
Great work Kampfer so far.  :cheers:

+1 and can't wait to hear more :tu: :like:
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,255 Tactical Desk Jockey
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #42 on: January 25, 2018, 02:33:02 AM »
Day 2:
Focusing on Leatherman, Gerber & SOG's new 2018 MT's.
Pictures and videos are posted at https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=oa.10155311860959016&type=3

EDC: Black Talon, Black Cat, Spirit, LD02
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,255 Tactical Desk Jockey
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #43 on: January 25, 2018, 03:34:58 AM »

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Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #44 on: January 25, 2018, 05:57:11 AM »
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Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?

“Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.” - Socrates
"I'm not feeling very talky today, off you smurf". - Smashie
Complaining is mental preparation for failure.
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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,255 Tactical Desk Jockey
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2018, 06:18:18 AM »
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Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?
Air Arms is not a listed exhbitor

EDC: Black Talon, Black Cat, Spirit, LD02
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,255 Tactical Desk Jockey
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2018, 06:28:42 AM »
spoke to Tim Leatherman for an hour, super nice guy, very down to earth, wrote down all my opinions and suggestions.

A few highlights of our conversation:
Request for replaceable cutter on Wave / Charge. Addressed.
Request for Blunt nose pliers. Noted.
Request for more focus and attention on developing MT for working men instead of hipsters. Noted.

Tim admits he thought the Tread was a gimmick and not sure about it, but it is selling as fast as Leatherman can produce it.

Tim was very curious about why my brother switched from ST300 to CenterDrive. My brother gave him a ear full.
Tim smiled and lightly hinted there is something in the work to counter it. ;)

Tim explained why he offers the 25 years warranty instead of the common life time warranty... A very interesting story.
In his time, magazines were full advisement of cheap junk knives and tools came with "Life Time Warranty", he felt such term was over used, he decided on 25 years. In reality, Leatherman's warranty is a life time guarantee.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2018, 06:54:57 AM by Kampfer »

EDC: Black Talon, Black Cat, Spirit, LD02
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,255 Tactical Desk Jockey
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2018, 06:35:41 AM »
Highlights of my conversation with Gerber:
Suspension has been Gerber's best seller for years, but it is an aged design, so they are offering Truss and Suspension Nxt this year.

CenterDrive is a big hit, we already knew that.

MP1 is not selling as well as expected, but the sale of MP1 military models are good.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2018, 06:45:18 AM by Kampfer »

EDC: Black Talon, Black Cat, Spirit, LD02
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,255 Tactical Desk Jockey
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2018, 06:42:37 AM »
Highlights of my conversation with SOG:
Powergrab is discontinued just after one year.
Reactor is discontinued as well.

There is only one sample of Powerlitre at shotshow, I did not get to exam it.
They did not aware of the issue of flathead drivers on Powerpint until I point it out.
Chris suggest we leave that part out of the video. :-[

EDC: Black Talon, Black Cat, Spirit, LD02
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Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2018, 06:56:45 AM »
Benchmade knocked it out of the park this year. Listened to all the feedback on "mini" knives of popular versions and executed. And came out with new innovative designs to boot.

Just wanted to add a positive note

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Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2018, 07:04:41 AM »
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Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?
Air Arms is not a listed exhbitor

Probably under Air Guns of Arizona

“Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.” - Socrates
"I'm not feeling very talky today, off you smurf". - Smashie
Complaining is mental preparation for failure.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,255 Tactical Desk Jockey
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2018, 07:15:55 AM »
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Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?
Air Arms is not a listed exhbitor

Probably under Air Guns of Arizona
Found it, what do you like to know?

EDC: Black Talon, Black Cat, Spirit, LD02
No Life Club Posts: 4,773 Smurf it!
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2018, 07:25:14 AM »
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Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?
Air Arms is not a listed exhbitor

Probably under Air Guns of Arizona
Found it, what do you like to know?

Just your take on it, if you have time, they just launched a new rifle aimed (ahem) at  the US market

“Strong minds discuss ideas, average minds discuss events, weak minds discuss people.” - Socrates
"I'm not feeling very talky today, off you smurf". - Smashie
Complaining is mental preparation for failure.
Si vis pacem, para bellum
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,255 Tactical Desk Jockey
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2018, 07:29:34 AM »
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Awesome  :drool:

Don't suppose you could stop by the Air Arms booth could you?
Air Arms is not a listed exhbitor

Probably under Air Guns of Arizona
Found it, what do you like to know?

Just your take on it, if you have time, they just launched a new rifle aimed (ahem) at  the US market
I am not an air rifle guy so not sure where to begin.

EDC: Black Talon, Black Cat, Spirit, LD02
No Life Club Posts: 2,818
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2018, 09:22:31 AM »
""Request for Blunt nose pliers. Noted""

Thanks Kam :tu:

So, I wait though I admit I'm sceptical anything will come of it.
Personally I think maybe LM should swallow a little pride and outsource the plier head to specialists like knipex. It's ridiculous that 35yrs down the line replaceable cutters are needed to compensate for the fact that LM steel is smurfe.
Until MT manufacturers move away from the silly gadget idea, MT's will always (in my view) be a very poor substitute to "real tools"

I don't claim to know it all, but what I do know is right.
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 14,613 Firm believer of Sturgeon's Law
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #55 on: January 25, 2018, 10:11:14 AM »
spoke to Tim Leatherman for an hour, super nice guy, very down to earth, wrote down all my opinions and suggestions.

A few highlights of our conversation:
Request for replaceable cutter on Wave / Charge. Addressed.
Request for Blunt nose pliers. Noted.
Request for more focus and attention on developing MT for working men instead of hipsters. Noted.

Tim admits he thought the Tread was a gimmick and not sure about it, but it is selling as fast as Leatherman can produce it.

Tim was very curious about why my brother switched from ST300 to CenterDrive. My brother gave him a ear full.
Tim smiled and lightly hinted there is something in the work to counter it. ;)

Tim explained why he offers the 25 years warranty instead of the common life time warranty... A very interesting story.
In his time, magazines were full advisement of cheap junk knives and tools came with "Life Time Warranty", he felt such term was over used, he decided on 25 years. In reality, Leatherman's warranty is a life time guarantee.

Good to hear, thanks a lot!
Now we both have a signed Surge,  :cheers:



As for Tim I was also sure about his thoughts ont he Thread, glad you brought that up. Not surprising that it sells so well today, looking at how gear and MTs, knives etc. has definitely become affected by the "showoff", "Man jewelry" and "has to look nice in a pic" attitude fueled by the growth of social media,m Instagram, Facebook, etc.  :(

Knives are a good example too, looking at enwer offerings from WE, ZT, Spyderco etc. these last years, most have weird curves and looks, "couch flipper" features (ceramic ball bearings, carbon fiber inserts, anodized deep carry pocket clips, custom screws and proprietary hardware, etc.) and this is sad to me.
You did good in pointing out the "hipsterisation" ( :rofl:) currently ongoing on most brands to Tim, hopefully he'll act consequently and do something on his part.

Your brother putting the ST300 to shame in comparison to the Center Drive and the reasons he gave TIm must have been fun, and I'd have loved to see Tim's face and reaction during the explanation. That big LM tool made of smaller tools that you posted in your Facebook looks amazing!  :o
I'm sure te tools were riveted or glued so that no-one decided to take "part of the cake" for himself  :D

Tim is indeed a down to earth, sensible person and a pleasure to chat with.  :salute:
I also asked him about the warranty and told me the same story 3 years ago, it's good to see he is a man of his word and even more, willing to go further than the company policy for his customers and loyal followers.
Their warrant is top notch.

Thanks for all your effort, pics and work.
I hope you enjoyed it a lot!!!  ;)

My toys:

MTs: Surge (2x), Skeletool CX, Rebar, Blast, Fuse, Micra, Squirt (3x), Wave, Crunch, Mini, Spirit (2x), Pro Scout, MP700 (2x), Diesel, Powerlock, PowerPlier (2x), PocketPowerPlier, Blacktip , ST6 (2x), 5WR, A100

SAKs: Bantam, Executive, Ambassador, Minichamp, Classic Alox, Champion, Farmer, Explorer, Swisschamp, Golf Tool, Wenger Champ, EVO 52, Pocket Tool Chest
No Life Club Posts: 3,597
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #56 on: January 25, 2018, 11:04:07 AM »
so far most things are boring, unrefreshing or pretty standard.   >:(
I feel underwhelmed with what most brands have to offer.

+1

Few Condors I liked, but that braided wire thing that now seems standard on their handles doesn't do it for me. :think:

Zombie Apprentice Posts: 14,613 Firm believer of Sturgeon's Law
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #57 on: January 25, 2018, 04:39:17 PM »
so far most things are boring, unrefreshing or pretty standard.   >:(
I feel underwhelmed with what most brands have to offer.

+1

Few Condors I liked, but that braided wire thing that now seems standard on their handles doesn't do it for me. :think:

me neither  :P

My toys:

MTs: Surge (2x), Skeletool CX, Rebar, Blast, Fuse, Micra, Squirt (3x), Wave, Crunch, Mini, Spirit (2x), Pro Scout, MP700 (2x), Diesel, Powerlock, PowerPlier (2x), PocketPowerPlier, Blacktip , ST6 (2x), 5WR, A100

SAKs: Bantam, Executive, Ambassador, Minichamp, Classic Alox, Champion, Farmer, Explorer, Swisschamp, Golf Tool, Wenger Champ, EVO 52, Pocket Tool Chest
Global Moderator Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 8,546
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2018, 09:49:35 AM »
Awesome coverage Kampfer :hatsoff:


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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,255 Tactical Desk Jockey
Re: SHOT Show 2018
« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2018, 08:00:33 PM »
Not much more to cover MT wise on day 3.
A quick visit to Nite Ize booth to look at their 2018 MT/Gadget related products.
I was given free samples from Nite Ize to review.

SHOT Carry

Now that is a knife!
« Last Edit: January 26, 2018, 08:11:02 PM by Kampfer »

EDC: Black Talon, Black Cat, Spirit, LD02

 

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