Nice. Apparently bags with kid stuff on it are much less likely to be stolen, so actually, that's a pretty good call, if you can get over the 'I'm not cool looking' issue.Also, I see you're carrying one of those 'books'. How is the battery life on it? In all seriousness, I wish I saw more books in folks' bags. Great downtime entertainment, and a few other uses as well. Might wanna consider a ziplock bag for it, though, in case of rain.
If you've prepared a container with what you think you will need to survive, away from home and unsupported for 72 hours, and you keep that container in your car or office or easily accessible wherever you think you're most likely to need it, then it really doesn't matter what you call the container does it?Pomsbz, in 1973 those who evacuated may not have brought the right things but at least they survived to return to their homes. Today we have more things that we are dependent on such as our computers and cell phones and we've had years to learn from previous catastrophes what we need to do before, during and after. Since you are concerned with what to take in an evacuation see response 20 to this thread, https://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,74942.msg1598533.html#msg1598533 I made a list of what's really important, based on my own experiences.
One little test as what to pack in a bob, ditch the power for a week, if it doesn’t work or you don’t need it, it’s worthelss..you’d be surprised as to what’s worth packing, as I sit in the living room what’s good? All those movies, no, the lamps, no, all the electronics, no, the candles and lighter yeah, the pics wouldn’t do anything besides bring back memories, the couch or table, but I ain’t lugging them, nor the pillows, so only a candle and lighter.. move on to the kitchen, the fridge ain’t going to work, when we lost power for a week we weren’t here but we took totes and packed them full of snow and put them in the fridge, it worked, the stove, well I have a gas, it won’t work because it’s a electric click to start, but, with the lighter in the other room I can start the burners, only thing is I ain’t lugging that stove, but it was good to be able to cook so a mini stove would be good to carry, along with some fuel and a lighter, it’s like a domino effect, something in each room helps the other and so on, you just got to see what would work, what you would need, and is worth carrying?JR
Fully agree to the three above posts!Israelpiper (do you play the pipes or smoke one?) I think our situation is relatively unique. Being such a tiny country and having nowhere to run to. There is practically no refugee potential crisis, what direction would we turn to other than the sea? Where is there to hide while the forests are burning and the deserts provide no cover? I'm too young of course but I would be interested in what happened in the Golan during the Yom Kippur war when the Syrians attacked, there must have been settlements that were overrun. What did the people do? Did they flee, did they stay put, in what direction did they go and what if anything did they have the time to take? What kind of resettlement did they have while the war was still in progress? I think studies of that kind would be of the most use for our location. Personally I have an 'overnight camping' bag in my car. It has what I need should I need to stay overnight in the car, at work or in a forest up north. Yes it could be a 'BoB' but only if I believed that 'bugging out' as a concept was to truly exist here. Heck I've got a wife and three children and I'm disabled....
Quote from: MadPlumbarian on January 19, 2018, 05:18:38 PMOne little test as what to pack in a bob, ditch the power for a week, if it doesn’t work or you don’t need it, it’s worthelss..you’d be surprised as to what’s worth packing, as I sit in the living room what’s good? All those movies, no, the lamps, no, all the electronics, no, the candles and lighter yeah, the pics wouldn’t do anything besides bring back memories, the couch or table, but I ain’t lugging them, nor the pillows, so only a candle and lighter.. move on to the kitchen, the fridge ain’t going to work, when we lost power for a week we weren’t here but we took totes and packed them full of snow and put them in the fridge, it worked, the stove, well I have a gas, it won’t work because it’s a electric click to start, but, with the lighter in the other room I can start the burners, only thing is I ain’t lugging that stove, but it was good to be able to cook so a mini stove would be good to carry, along with some fuel and a lighter, it’s like a domino effect, something in each room helps the other and so on, you just got to see what would work, what you would need, and is worth carrying?JRWhat about when you run out of gas(for the stove)?I mean, since you mentioned no power, its just fair to consider about a no gas scenario....
Quote from: Pablo O'Brien on January 19, 2018, 06:20:22 PMQuote from: MadPlumbarian on January 19, 2018, 05:18:38 PMOne little test as what to pack in a bob, ditch the power for a week, if it doesn’t work or you don’t need it, it’s worthelss..you’d be surprised as to what’s worth packing, as I sit in the living room what’s good? All those movies, no, the lamps, no, all the electronics, no, the candles and lighter yeah, the pics wouldn’t do anything besides bring back memories, the couch or table, but I ain’t lugging them, nor the pillows, so only a candle and lighter.. move on to the kitchen, the fridge ain’t going to work, when we lost power for a week we weren’t here but we took totes and packed them full of snow and put them in the fridge, it worked, the stove, well I have a gas, it won’t work because it’s a electric click to start, but, with the lighter in the other room I can start the burners, only thing is I ain’t lugging that stove, but it was good to be able to cook so a mini stove would be good to carry, along with some fuel and a lighter, it’s like a domino effect, something in each room helps the other and so on, you just got to see what would work, what you would need, and is worth carrying?JRWhat about when you run out of gas(for the stove)?I mean, since you mentioned no power, its just fair to consider about a no gas scenario....True, but you could always go run to the store and get a gas, unlike electric, unless you work off of a generator, then you need nothing but gasoline. But still, what do you need to survive with no electricity? I mean you could have one of those little hand crank chargers or a solar to charge a phone, but like someone said services would probably be out..JR
Quote from: MadPlumbarian on January 19, 2018, 06:42:12 PMQuote from: Pablo O'Brien on January 19, 2018, 06:20:22 PMQuote from: MadPlumbarian on January 19, 2018, 05:18:38 PMOne little test as what to pack in a bob, ditch the power for a week, if it doesn’t work or you don’t need it, it’s worthelss..you’d be surprised as to what’s worth packing, as I sit in the living room what’s good? All those movies, no, the lamps, no, all the electronics, no, the candles and lighter yeah, the pics wouldn’t do anything besides bring back memories, the couch or table, but I ain’t lugging them, nor the pillows, so only a candle and lighter.. move on to the kitchen, the fridge ain’t going to work, when we lost power for a week we weren’t here but we took totes and packed them full of snow and put them in the fridge, it worked, the stove, well I have a gas, it won’t work because it’s a electric click to start, but, with the lighter in the other room I can start the burners, only thing is I ain’t lugging that stove, but it was good to be able to cook so a mini stove would be good to carry, along with some fuel and a lighter, it’s like a domino effect, something in each room helps the other and so on, you just got to see what would work, what you would need, and is worth carrying?JRWhat about when you run out of gas(for the stove)?I mean, since you mentioned no power, its just fair to consider about a no gas scenario....True, but you could always go run to the store and get a gas, unlike electric, unless you work off of a generator, then you need nothing but gasoline. But still, what do you need to survive with no electricity? I mean you could have one of those little hand crank chargers or a solar to charge a phone, but like someone said services would probably be out..JRFlashlights, Hearing aids, alternative wireless communication(satellite, radio), etc?I love my Thrunite Ti3 and I'm deaf without my hearing aids.
Quote from: Pablo O'Brien on January 19, 2018, 06:48:56 PMQuote from: MadPlumbarian on January 19, 2018, 06:42:12 PMQuote from: Pablo O'Brien on January 19, 2018, 06:20:22 PMQuote from: MadPlumbarian on January 19, 2018, 05:18:38 PMOne little test as what to pack in a bob, ditch the power for a week, if it doesn’t work or you don’t need it, it’s worthelss..you’d be surprised as to what’s worth packing, as I sit in the living room what’s good? All those movies, no, the lamps, no, all the electronics, no, the candles and lighter yeah, the pics wouldn’t do anything besides bring back memories, the couch or table, but I ain’t lugging them, nor the pillows, so only a candle and lighter.. move on to the kitchen, the fridge ain’t going to work, when we lost power for a week we weren’t here but we took totes and packed them full of snow and put them in the fridge, it worked, the stove, well I have a gas, it won’t work because it’s a electric click to start, but, with the lighter in the other room I can start the burners, only thing is I ain’t lugging that stove, but it was good to be able to cook so a mini stove would be good to carry, along with some fuel and a lighter, it’s like a domino effect, something in each room helps the other and so on, you just got to see what would work, what you would need, and is worth carrying?JRWhat about when you run out of gas(for the stove)?I mean, since you mentioned no power, its just fair to consider about a no gas scenario....True, but you could always go run to the store and get a gas, unlike electric, unless you work off of a generator, then you need nothing but gasoline. But still, what do you need to survive with no electricity? I mean you could have one of those little hand crank chargers or a solar to charge a phone, but like someone said services would probably be out..JRFlashlights, Hearing aids, alternative wireless communication(satellite, radio), etc?I love my Thrunite Ti3 and I'm deaf without my hearing aids. Well that can be good to, at time I’d sure in hell take be deaf over this tinnitus, especially when it comes to these kids and the wife! lol..
Quote from: pomsbz on January 19, 2018, 08:13:23 AMFully agree to the three above posts!Israelpiper (do you play the pipes or smoke one?) I think our situation is relatively unique. Being such a tiny country and having nowhere to run to. There is practically no refugee potential crisis, what direction would we turn to other than the sea? Where is there to hide while the forests are burning and the deserts provide no cover? I'm too young of course but I would be interested in what happened in the Golan during the Yom Kippur war when the Syrians attacked, there must have been settlements that were overrun. What did the people do? Did they flee, did they stay put, in what direction did they go and what if anything did they have the time to take? What kind of resettlement did they have while the war was still in progress? I think studies of that kind would be of the most use for our location. Personally I have an 'overnight camping' bag in my car. It has what I need should I need to stay overnight in the car, at work or in a forest up north. Yes it could be a 'BoB' but only if I believed that 'bugging out' as a concept was to truly exist here. Heck I've got a wife and three children and I'm disabled....Yes, I have been teaching and composing for the Scottish Highland bagpipe for 40 years. Not a drop of Scots in me, though I briefly lived in Edinburgh, and I have visited Scotland quite a few times. I did once smoke a pipe for many years, preferring pure black Latakia tobacco. Gave it up in my late 50s.Israel is a "last stand" nation. Leaving isn't a thought I'd ever entertain. Many here feel the same way, I am sure. What we may have to do is leave our homes or neighbourhoods on short notice in the event of a missile attack. Our army is a citizen conscript force, so it is us, and we are them. I know the north from years of hiking on foot. From the top of the Kheirmon, to the lower Galilee, to Lake Kinneret--3000 meters up and 220 meters below sea level. I lived once on a kibbutz on the border with Lebanon, and on another one down in the middle of the Negev desert. Preparedness is radically different in Israel from the US. We are very organized for disaster, and expect attack. We have an equipped large underground hospital in Haifa, an 8km long tunnel under Mount Karmel with a sealable ventilation system. The new train station in Jerusalem is 80m deep with steel blast doors, and only electric trains will use it, keeping the air clean. Tel Aviv too. All homes have a re-enforced safe room, or access to a near public shelter. Many large shopping centre garages are shelters. Everyone has a gas mask and an atropine auto-injector. We have three anti-missile systems, for low, medium and high level bogies (Iron Dome, Sling of David, The Arrow). The highest percent of first aid trained population in the world. A dense and rapidly growing rail system, and dramatically improved divided highway system, including the Trans-Israel Highway. An integrated military, with army, navy, air force, cyber warfare under a single command. Satellites overhead, nano-satellite capability, drones, cruise missiles, stealth subs, grannies who can field-strip an assault rifle in the dark in a rainstorm. What happened on the Golan in 1973? All civilians farm families were removed. Very short notice. Some could hear that mechanical music only a tank lover could appreciate. Families in the lowlands took them in. Israel's 70 refurbished British Centurions that were then in place on the plateau held off 500 Soviet main battle tanks. Lots of 2km shots hit their marks, mostly bridging tanks. The Syrians fought excellently and bravely with better tanks, but the odds were against them. They threw in only 500 new tanks, and we threw in 70 old but superb Centurions, and had an unbeatable commander-in-chief. He inspired battle-hardened 29 year old battalion commander Colonel Avigdor Kahalani who stopped 150 tanks with his three. After three days of fighting, Israel now outnumbered even more, the Syrians saw a long row of giant angels standing in the Valley of Tears where the battle raged. A voice out of the heavens shouted "STOP ! توقف" and they turned around and went home.A 72 hour bag is enough. Help is always near-by. Americans have a great volunteer spirit. Better than waiting on federal agencies. Many prepared people will help those who are not. If I got stuck in a bomb shelter in America I'd hope someone had an extra stack of old Superman comics. Figure 10% or 20% of your bag for others, assuming a general disaster at hand.
Any way, the original topic concerned bug out bags and we went off topic and got into 72 hour bags and I really think they are two different things.
Due to rule violations, the following member have been banned.Lynn LeFey - For creating a thread that stayed on topicAlan K, pomsbz, Pabs - for posting in said thread (I expected better from you guys, especially you Pabs).
well since it hit the fan perhaps it would be appropriate to hear Lynn's thoughts of e-tools, trowels, spades and other digging utensils in these bobs