Smurfed by Window's update again

[SteveC]

Window's ten updated me this morning without permission to their new fall update. When I first switched to windows 10 I hated the new photo editor. It's a complete smurf show compared to the old one, really dumbed down and they did away with some really useful features. After a lot of work and help from a youtube tutorial I was able to get rid of the new program and load up the old one. Well in the new update they replaced that version back to the crap version even although I disabled the update feature for that program.

Not only that but I had some business invoices that I needed to print out first thing this morning and wasn't able to because it took my computer two hours to update. I am so pissed off right now 

The worst thing about it is that the tutorial has been yanked form Youtube so I don't think I'll be able to get the old program back.     

[Smashie]

It's the roadmap going forward, simplify some features to make money by selling a product that does more than the old one used to do. Most people got the OS for free so you get what you pay for.

[Don Pablo]

And people still keep using Windows. 
(Me included)

[jzmtl]

That's why you never bother with any of the built in windows app and just, um, download photoshop instead. 

[Etherealicer]

Window's ten updated me this morning without permission to their new fall update. When I first switched to windows 10 I hated the new photo editor. It's a complete smurf show compared to the old one, really dumbed down and they did away with some really useful features. After a lot of work and help from a youtube tutorial I was able to get rid of the new program and load up the old one. Well in the new update they replaced that version back to the crap version even although I disabled the update feature for that program.

Not only that but I had some business invoices that I needed to print out first thing this morning and wasn't able to because it took my computer two hours to update. I am so pissed off right now 

The worst thing about it is that the tutorial has been yanked form Youtube so I don't think I'll be able to get the old program back.     

Amateur... my computer was stuck in a bootloop. Started booting, aborted, started booting aborted... you get the picture... Microsofts solution: update your drivers How if I cannot even but up can't enter save boot can't repair
Tried a complete fresh install (on a new disk). Windows wouldn't install, incompatibility with Apples bootcamp... so, lo and behold I'm now the proud owner of a new computer. Good thing, it was my work computer, so I didn't have to pay for it... Bad thing, I'm a programmer (not a Windows speSmurfpillst, mind you), how do I work without computer...

[Mechanickal]

Window's ten updated me this morning without permission to their new fall update. When I first switched to windows 10 I hated the new photo editor. It's a complete smurf show compared to the old one, really dumbed down and they did away with some really useful features. After a lot of work and help from a youtube tutorial I was able to get rid of the new program and load up the old one. Well in the new update they replaced that version back to the crap version even although I disabled the update feature for that program.

Not only that but I had some business invoices that I needed to print out first thing this morning and wasn't able to because it took my computer two hours to update. I am so pissed off right now 

The worst thing about it is that the tutorial has been yanked form Youtube so I don't think I'll be able to get the old program back.     

Amateur... my computer was stuck in a bootloop. Started booting, aborted, started booting aborted... you get the picture... Microsofts solution: update your drivers How if I cannot even but up can't enter save boot can't repair
Tried a complete fresh install (on a new disk). Windows wouldn't install, incompatibility with Apples bootcamp... so, lo and behold I'm now the proud owner of a new computer. Good thing, it was my work computer, so I didn't have to pay for it... Bad thing, I'm a programmer (not a Windows speSmurfpillst, mind you), how do I work without computer...

Hiren's boot cd might have helped you out..
Unless you can't even get in the boot setup menu...

[Poncho65]

Hiren's has helped me out more than a few times

[Poncho65]

Sorry about Window's being sucky and all, Steve

I don't use mine for much than internet stuff anymore (no games or apps) I use my phone for most things anymore

[GuacamoleBay]

Window's ten updated me this morning without permission to their new fall update. When I first switched to windows 10 I hated the new photo editor. It's a complete smurf show compared to the old one, really dumbed down and they did away with some really useful features. After a lot of work and help from a youtube tutorial I was able to get rid of the new program and load up the old one. Well in the new update they replaced that version back to the crap version even although I disabled the update feature for that program.

Not only that but I had some business invoices that I needed to print out first thing this morning and wasn't able to because it took my computer two hours to update. I am so pissed off right now 

The worst thing about it is that the tutorial has been yanked form Youtube so I don't think I'll be able to get the old program back.     

This might sound a bit preachy but I would recommend Ubuntu or some other "beginner" Linux distro. You don't have to worry about tracking software, security or getting smurfed in the ass by Microsoft, not to mention all of it is completely free

[gerleatherberman]

Ubuntu is awesome! My Gateway laptop is ten years old and looks mint, but Windows Vista was just too slow to use anymore. Installed Ubuntu and it is pretty easy to use!  I got a RAM upgrade on amazon for a few bucks to 4gigs and the old centrino dual core cpu works well with Ubuntu. It plays 1080p vids on youtube well and is fairly acceptable speed-wise. My desktop I built in 2010 has Windows 7 and I refuse to update to 10.
When Windows starts to fail, the desktop will be running Ubuntu.
I used Turbo, Mandrake and some other Linux back in the day, but got tired of dealing with the terminal crap and poor ease of use with poor driver software. But, Ubuntu took Linux to a whole new level of goodness without being too much of a resource hog. My work laptop runs Lubuntu, which is a light version of Ubuntu for really old PCs and is great too.

[Syncop8r]

That's why you never bother with any of the built in windows app and just, um, download photoshop instead. 

Me too! (except I use Paint or Gimp)
I especially hate software that comes with hardware. 

[Whoey]

These days there are a number of great tools available that are pretty much platform agnostic, like: https://gravit.io/ or https://vectr.com/ etc...

I still like Adobe Fireworks for web graphics, it doesn't feel bloated like Photoshop yet will use Photoshop plugins, sadly Adobe has killed it (it still exists, but no updates).

I'm really not a fan of the Adobe subscription based access... as a person who is pretty much freelancing most of the time, it means I may not have regular paydays, and thus I might end up with several periods where I cannot afford a monthly fee to use a single piece of the suite software, as that money needs to go to other things. The only good side of it is that you have access to the full suite rather than single software packages, and they are always the latest versions.

As for Windows, instead of it being easier to use I feel like they are dumbing it down too much (it's been rather problematic getting our broadcast software setup just right due to the "smart" mixers since win 7), and if it causes even more problems with upgrades it's not doing them any favours in terms of brand loyalty. Also if you are like me and end up digging into some of the deeper configuration options you'll find yourself looking at what looks to be old recycled components that have not had the fancy dressing up that the win 10 control panel has.

[Smashie]

Software as a service is the bane of my life, one bit of software I use costs me £75 a month, if I want to buy it then its £17k and that has no updates. MS office costs me £9.40 a month. I can live that as I'll always the latest version with Exchange.

Windows 10 on the other hand I like, since 8 they have aimed to have a single OS on multiple platforms, as a result it screams on the hardware I run it on, way better than 7 ever did. Is it dumbed down, yes on the surface, but I'll take power shell over command prompt any day of the week. The 'power' user stuff is all still there. People complained when they took out the dvd codecs and media support, what they didn't already VLC? Don't make me laugh!

The only thing that MS does now that really annoys me is it resets a lot of default applications after an update, I don't want to use edge browser (please bear in mind when I first started going online there weren't many choices, IE or Netscape and at that time Netscape had the majority of the market!

There are always haters and fan boys, I use what works and that's, at the moment Windows 10 on PC's. Could I use linux? possibly with a hell of a lot of workarounds for the software and hardware I use. Could I use a Mac? Why, no software support again for most of the tings I already use, less horsepower than I currently have at a way higher price.

Sorry a bit ranty and rambling that one, I'm going to go back to ironing 

[Syncop8r]

I don't love Windows 10 but I don't hate it, it works well for me. I only migrated from XP on my old machine last year!

I don't want to use Edge either. I only use it when something won't show in Firefox, probably because I have nearly 200 tabs open in it. Yes I know I have a problem...
I use VLC Media Player on a friend's advice. My work software costs over $250 US per month to hire but it beats paying $7000 for it or even more if I want to be continually updated with the latest version.

[ThundahBeagle]

Steve

I'm implementing an upgrade of our deployment console and overseeing the upgrade to Windows 10 on all of our computers soon. As I understand it, you should be able to enter the Windows Update configuration settings and schedule it for a time of your choosing.

People till use Windows, yes. Apple products also need to update, and beyond a certain time frame, your hardware just will not allow an OS update by design. And they charge 3 times as much for their hardware. Sleek, and effective within the proper timeframe, though.

Admittedly I've no experience with naked Linux or Ubuntu.

Smashie...we use PowerShell to get rid of all that crap such as Candy Crush, in  away that it won't come back after updates. Isn't there a PS command that saves settings after updates?

VLC Media player seems to have all the codecs we ever need.

I agree they are dumbing down Windows, trying to make it Apple and Chrome-like.

We don't use Firefox as there are too many security holes.

Edge blows- some of our web apps won't run in Chrome, and in scoping out Windows 10 I found that they won't run in Edge either. Luckily Win10 comes with Internet Explorer 11, so we can still run those.

Of course keeping multiple tabs open, especially in Chrome, causes a huge resource drain.

About the bootloop issue...sometimes can be solved by reseating or replacing RAM. Or whatever driver or hardware you last installed (if any) then Remove the hardware. Try running the diagnostics that are accessible in the preboot menu. On Dell, you hit F5 repeatedly from the Dell splash screen. That might tell you something.

[Smashie]

[quote author=ThundahBeagle link=topic=74859.msg1594360#msg1594360 date=1512331673

Smashie...we use PowerShell to get rid of all that crap such as Candy Crush, in  away that it won't come back after updates. Isn't there a PS command that saves settings after updates?

[/quote]

Thundah, it's a full scripted environment, you can do and save what ever want, that's why I like it

https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd835506(v=vs.85).aspx

[ThundahBeagle]

Smashie

I've been tinkering for a while, however, I am not an expert at W10 yet by any means. If it resets some apps after an update, how do I stop it doing that in an enterprise environment? I have to learn this and deploy to almost two thousand desktops and laptops in the coming months.

Also, I see Easy Transfer is gone, shipped off to a 3rd party pay to play app. Too bad, too. That's one of the things that they made right in W7

[Smashie]

Smashie

I've been tinkering for a while, however, I am not an expert at W10 yet by any means. If it resets some apps after an update, how do I stop it doing that in an enterprise environment? I have to learn this and deploy to almost two thousand desktops and laptops in the coming months.

Also, I see Easy Transfer is gone, shipped off to a 3rd party pay to play app. Too bad, too. That's one of the things that they made right in W7

You can set the default apps with GPO

there's an example here that Adobe give that's actually pretty good

https://www.adobe.com/devnet-docs/acrobatetk/tools/AdminGuide/pdfviewer.html

[SteveC]

Update, My niece helped me figure it out and I got the old Photo editing program back 

[SteveC]

After win10's update today my computer won't boot up. Blue screen



I went to office depot to talk to a tech there and he said that he's got four computers in in the last hour with the same problem. He hasn't come up with a fix yet.

[Don Pablo]

Most be that CPU bug. 

[Smashie]

Increasable boot device is more likely to be a driver or a cable, Microsoft aren't patching AMD systems as they know this will cause issues 

[Whoey]

ouch, that can't be good for MS.

[SteveC]

Increasable boot device is more likely to be a driver or a cable, Microsoft aren't patching AMD systems as they know this will cause issues

What does that mean ?

[Whoey]

this seems relevant: http://www.howto-connect.com/fix-inaccessible-boot-device-windows-10/

[SteveC]

Thanks for the link but that is all a bit above my head.

[Whoey]

Thanks for the link but that is all a bit above my head.

I can imagine, speaking with a tech friend of mine in the UK, he had to deal with the same thing (wasn't his machine) and even going through all that didn't sort it out. Reinstall was the only option. I saw that a lot elsewhere online as well... talk about clusterfuffle by MS. As if there isn't enough IT related issues atm...

[pomsbz]

They doubted me when I left all the computers in my studio (5 of them) on Windows 7 x64 and refused the free upgrades to Win 10. We're very time sensitive here at work, we can't ever afford down time, period. Once you have something that works, you don't change it for kicks. I've yet to hear anything about Win 10 which makes me doubt that decision.

[Gerhard Gerber]

They doubted me when I left all the computers in my studio (5 of them) on Windows 7 x64 and refused the free upgrades to Win 10. We're very time sensitive here at work, we can't ever afford down time, period. Once you have something that works, you don't change it for kicks. I've yet to hear anything about Win 10 which makes me doubt that decision.

I did the same at home, no choice at work.

We also had several machines BSOD this week.

I started with DOS, missed Windows 3.0, started working with and setup my first networks with WfW 3.11....all through the years.

Win7 really made a change, and honestly, if Win10 was tweaked just a little and didn't need to live in a war zone, it would be a really great OS.

[pomsbz]

Win7 really made a change, and honestly, if Win10 was tweaked just a little and didn't need to live in a war zone

I think that is a very astute comment.